Not good songs.

/Gish FTW

Technically it is still the Pumpkins, but they are missing everyone but the drummer and that bald ego-maniac.

Gish was really good.

With the exception of "Cherub Rock"
all else was a steady decline I believe.

I encountered Corgan at a party in Dallas in the late 80s (possibly 1990) He was wearing a fur coat and struck me as a pathetic "poseur-type" goth/glam star wannabe. This was a full year or so before Gish was released but as I recalled he had the full-on mannerisms of a jaded rock star. Pure loser I thought.

I do remember when Gish came out.
Someone showed me the album and said:
"hey,remember that fruity looking retard at that party last year at so and so's house? -- this is his band!"


....anyway,great record.

1979 is a great choice for a "full band" game. Guitar-alone song? Not a chance.

I know "Today" is on Rock Band...don' know about "1979". Do a general search on YouTube and you can listen to the new one....pretty good bass riff. And it is confirmed that "G.L.O.W" does stand for Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling......Corgan is a huge wrestling fan.

aba: 1979 is a great choice for a "full band" game. Guitar-alone song? Not a chance.

ASide from Gish (which I had shoved down my throat by alternative radio and alterna-girls until I grudgingly liked it), "1979" is one of Corgan's later, great songs. Cute little hi-hat programming, nice fuzzed out guitar slide... it's a good song for cruising late at night.


ConnieLingus: "G.L.O.W" does stand for Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling

AWESOME. In an absolutely ironic way.

I'm a big fan of SP from the mid to late 90's. One of the best concerts I ever saw was a SP show. I learned how to play guitar by playing Siamese Dream.
That said, I saw them live a few weeks ago. One song was good but other than that the only good thing I can say about the concert was I didn't have to drive to another city to it. People don't pay $60 to hear multiple half hour long jam sessions followed by numerous kazoo solos.

meteorite: I'm a big fan of SP from the mid to late 90's. One of the best concerts I ever saw was a SP show. I learned how to play guitar by playing Siamese Dream.
That said, I saw them live a few weeks ago. One song was good but other than that the only good thing I can say about the concert was I didn't have to drive to another city to it. People don't pay $60 to hear multiple half hour long jam sessions followed by numerous kazoo solos.

So you've never seen Phish?

meah

Cog: So you've never seen Phish?

That's a vacuum solo at a Phish show.

/likes Phish and The Smashing Pumpkins. Have seen them both about 20 times each.

"People don't pay $60 to hear multiple half hour long jam sessions followed by numerous kazoo solos."

No, they want the band to play "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" verbatim to the album version. Playing the hits verbatim is my definition of a shiatty show.

Zeitgeist is pretty good. As I say with the New GnR -- aka that Axl Rose Show -- it's good if you can get past the name.

No comments on how you can play AS Billy Corgan.

1. Who plays a music game to play AS the band and not as themselves playing the song?

2. Who would want to be BE Billy Corgan?

ConnieLingus: "People don't pay $60 to hear multiple half hour long jam sessions followed by numerous kazoo solos."

No, they want the band to play "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" verbatim to the album version. Playing the hits verbatim is my definition of a shiatty show.

No, I don't want all the hits played exactly like they are on the album and don't expect them to play that either. It would be nice if they played more than three songs that most people know. SP aren't a jam band. Seeing them rock out for a while at a show towards the end on a song that people know and like is awesome. Seeing them up there sloppily playing stuff that nobody has ever heard is not cool. Seeing a jam band like Phish do a vacum solo is cool. Seeing a band that is known for their excellent guitar work (in my opinion anyway) noodling around and then completely giving up and playing kazoos because they think it's funny is not cool.

Also, like I said before, I saw them back in the 90's and it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. They were tight, they played stuff people knew, they were at least trying to be a great rock band. A few weeks ago it was just some people on stage messing around doing stuff they knew the crowd who paid $50-$60 dollars a pop wouldn't be into and laughing about it.

meteorite: ConnieLingus: "People don't pay $60 to hear multiple half hour long jam sessions followed by numerous kazoo solos."

No, they want the band to play "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" verbatim to the album version. Playing the hits verbatim is my definition of a shiatty show.

No, I don't want all the hits played exactly like they are on the album and don't expect them to play that either. It would be nice if they played more than three songs that most people know. SP aren't a jam band. Seeing them rock out for a while at a show towards the end on a song that people know and like is awesome. Seeing them up there sloppily playing stuff that nobody has ever heard is not cool. Seeing a jam band like Phish do a vacum solo is cool. Seeing a band that is known for their excellent guitar work (in my opinion anyway) noodling around and then completely giving up and playing kazoos because they think it's funny is not cool.

Apparently you've never seen them live before because they've been doing this for decades.

It was the fifth time I saw them. The first three times (96, 96, 97) they played a bunch of songs everybody knew plus a bunch of tracks that never got released as singles. One of the last songs played each night was one incredibly tight single jam session loosely based on Silverfark with bits of other songs thrown in where all members were quite into it. Unfortunately Jimmy was only there for the first one as it was about a week before he was kicked out. My tour shirt I bought that night has a bunch of the canceled dates on it. The fourth time I saw them (98) they played quite a bit off of Adore plus some older tracks. Nothing was like it was on the album or even close. Apparently when you play the Grand Ol Opry in Nashville they don't let loud rock bands plug in but will allow acoustic sets. Incredibly cool show. All members seemed to be really enjoying the change and you could tell by their style. The thing I particularly enjoyed was that Kenny Aranoff was drumming for them then and since my buddy who I was with has done a boatload of work for John Melloncamp (Aranoff was his drummer back in the 80's) they knew each other and we got to hang out backstage for a while before the show.
A few weeks ago in Louisville, they just sucked in comparison to the other shows that I've been to. I can make that comparison because I've seen them multiple times and that show just blew.

Just checked out that GLOW song. Horrible. I love Gish/SD and certainly enjoyed parts of MCIS, but what the FARK IS THIS CRAP?

Also, like I said before, I saw them back in the 90's and it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. They were tight, they played stuff people knew, they were at least trying to be a great rock band. A few weeks ago it was just some people on stage messing around doing stuff they knew the crowd who paid $50-$60 dollars a pop wouldn't be into and laughing about it.

If you can't enjoy random bursts of kazoo-ish goodness then you sir have no soul.

they havent made music since siamese dream. they were my favorite band thru gish and siamese dream, then didnt even bother to buy the double album. I still say slunk was their best song.

zwan wasnt bad, but pretty much the same formula the entire album.

Oh, and saw them for $6 on the second show of the Gish tour. Billy was kind of 'local boy done good' in this town. He wasnt from here, but started playing in bands here (tambay area), and played shows with numerous of my friends here in the mid/late 80's. And yes, he was wearing the girly pirate shirts back then.

/did I mention that I used to be a fan?

shrimper: I still say slunk was their best song.

motherfark you!

doubleofive:

2. Who would want to be BE Billy Corgan?

I concur.

But, even if it's just Billy and 'the drummer,' isn't this a little much? They have to know this will get scoffed at, more so than NIN and Radiohead giving away albums for free, and throwing a song on rock band. I mean, a WHOLE ALBUM? Do I hear Aerosmith/take two? Better to go out, er, something, than to fade away, I guess.

Does Corgan at least still rock that biatchin bald head?