I agree

Ima10urin8: I agree

Yes. I hate being around drunks.

Drinking doesn't always lead to violence, sometimes it leads to sex.

Drinking leads to puking.

Very true. The pot people are usually just sitting there, having a smoke. The drunk idiots are the ones violently pushing people out of the way so they can hit the mosh pit and violently push people around.

I decked someone at the last concert I went to because the drunk asshole grabbed my shoulder and tried to pull me away from my spot. Also pushed my friend (a woman) out of the way. So I decked him in the back of the head.

So I decked him in the back of the head.


You cant deck someone when you sucker punch them in the back of the head

I make some killer pot cookies and take them to outdoor events, they'll knock your socks off and nobody knows, they look and smell just like regular cookies.

Slug2468: I make some killer pot cookies and take them to outdoor events, they'll knock your socks off and nobody knows, they look and smell just like regular cookies.


Two words:

Mushroom Tea

What's up with this biatch Lisa Silverman of Carmel Valley? How lame do you have to be to fancy yourself an "anti-marijuana crusader"? She's the type of person who really does deserve to DIAF.

Ima10urin8: So I decked him in the back of the head.


You cant deck someone when you sucker punch them in the back of the head

Wasn't a sucker punch. The guy was being an ass, grapping and trying to throw people around. So I decked him for it.

Now, those who tapped me or patted me on the shoulder, asking if they could get past so they could reach the mosh pit? Those people I allowed through, with a smile.

Skail


you sucker punched a drunk guy in the back of the head, it's lame

Ima10urin8: Skail


you sucker punched a drunk guy in the back of the head, it's lame

Let me guess: you're the drunk guy going around, making an ass of himself, hitting/grabbing/shoving/punching people in his journey up to the mosh pit, which is completely acceptable because "get out of my way"?

You and me both, brother.

Skail

no, i dont drink

but ive seen your type at the show, sucker punching people near a pit.

Ima10urin8: Skail

no, i dont drink

but ive seen your type at the show, sucker punching people near a pit.

Riii-i-i-ight. I don't take sucker punches, save that once. I've seen the drunken idiots, violent types who have a single-minded purpose, seemingly, to thrash their way up to the front and harm as many people as possible. Usually, it doesn't bother me to the point of reliation short of a hollered "fark you, idiot!" When he grabbed, shoved, and basically hit the woman I was with (who was nice enough to buy my ticket), I lost it. Hence, head-deck. I don't think I'm a violent person, but that one threw me over, and in my opinion he deserved a lot more than what I did. Chances are, with the way he was acting, he eventually received it.

Heh...I was at a Mission of Burma show recently,and saw an hilarious encounter between two guys.

The stage at the place was only about a 2 ft off the floor and there was this older guy right up front...obviously a long time fan. The stage pretty much came up to just under his knees.
Behind him were this group of kids, college kids I would think. One of the college kids looked a bit like Where's Waldo with a red striped sweater. Once the band started the college kids started pushing and slamming each other around. They were pretty much the only ones doing it as the crowd was pretty much older averaging anywhere from 35-40 (myself included).

Anyway, most people just cleared out of the way, except for the guy up front, who was just digging the show, pretty oblivious to the kids behind him...until Waldo threw himself full force into the guy's back, sending him ass over tit onto the stage, knocking over Roger Miller's mic stand.

Now comes the funny part... the guy got up, turned around, and without saying a word just started wailing on the kid like there's no tomorrow, reigning blows about his shoulder and head with a furious precision and pace. Waldo didn't know what to do, his friends didn't even see it until it was over. After the assault, the older guy just turned right around and started watching the band again, showing a complete disregard for any reprisal. Anyway, Waldo's girlfriend helped him up and he sulked off to the bar. On my way to the can, I saw Waldo and his girlfriend at the bar, and Waldo's eyes were all teared up, while his girlfriend rubbed his back trying to console him.

Maybe I'm an asshole, but it just cracked me up.

Aside from that it was an awesome show, though...

keylock71: ...story recall...

Good. Those slam-dancing idiots deserve to get their shiat handed to them, in my less-than-humble opinion. It's rude to everyone around you who may NOT wish to partake in something so idiotic. When I go to a show, if I'm not willing to deal with the mosh pits or whatever, I stand back. There are times I feel really good, and I go into the pit, and yes I jump and whatever with the music because that, too, feels fun at the time. But slammers who seem to believe that their little violent spasms and shoving is a good idea need to grow up. And if some other gentlemen wishes to express his disapproval and teach the brats a lesson, that's good.

I don't condone violence, and never have (I don't like that I took a shot at that guy), but there are times I firmly believe people need to be taught a lesson and won't learn any other way.

Skail:

I don't condone violence, and never have (I don't like that I took a shot at that guy), but there are times I firmly believe people need to be taught a lesson and won't learn any other way.


Eh, I did a fair bit of slamming back in the 80s (Pepperidge Farm Remembahs) and it was a lot of fun. Everybody was participating for the most part. It looked violent, but actually wasn't. Kids would help each other up and it was more like male bonding (it was mostly a male crowd) than anything else.

Sometime in the late 80s, though, it changed into this hyper-aggressive, jock thing. Just got real lame, real quick. Then with the stadium size crowds and whatnot, the asshole factor went into overdrive... Just my observations, though.

Though, I will say, I was at a PUSA show a couple of years ago, and it was like it was when I was a kid... mostly just drunk folks having a good time, bouncing around the room, helping each other up and laughing their asses off...

Alright, that's enough of "remember when?" for today...

keylock71: ...more recollections...

Seems fair. I didn't start going to concerts until the mid-90s. I always knew about mosh pits and all, and for the most part they were pretty fun - people all moving together, jumping in synchronicity, singing along... basically it was a good time. But every show, at least three or four times, some kids (usually late teens/early twenties) would start this frenetic pushing, shoving, lashing out, whatever, where it seemed the entire point was to harm others. They'd throw themselves (completely airborne!) into other people who were minding their own business. As always, I try to ignore it, but at times they get too close for comfort. THESE are the people who are douchebags and need to be taught a lesson.

As you said, it's one thing if everyone's doing it (at a PUSA concert, that would almost definitely be the case). However, at something more mainstream like NIN or Tool, it's a more mixed crowd, and only incredibly selfish people wouldn't realize that some other people might not which to be violently impacted by a drunk fratboy trying to show off.

CheddarPants: What's up with this biatch Lisa Silverman of Carmel Valley? How lame do you have to be to fancy yourself an "anti-marijuana crusader"? She's the type of person who really does deserve to DIAF.

Plus she's from Carmel Valley for God sakes (where I'm getting married next weekend). That is like hippie central, she should be so familiar with pot it's not even funny.

KaponoFor3: CheddarPants: What's up with this biatch Lisa Silverman of Carmel Valley? How lame do you have to be to fancy yourself an "anti-marijuana crusader"? She's the type of person who really does deserve to DIAF.

Plus she's from Carmel Valley for God sakes (where I'm getting married next weekend). That is like hippie central, she should be so familiar with pot it's not even funny.

Seems to me that most people like this are less-concerned with any real health/societal problems than they are with controlling other people's access to the things. My take is that if it doesn't hurt other people, it should be available.

"anti-marijuana crusader Silverman,"

wow. just wow.

Imagine devoting your life to that.

How cruel and stupid can one person be?

keylock71:
Eh, I did a fair bit of slamming back in the 80s (Pepperidge Farm Remembahs) and it was a lot of fun. Everybody was participating for the most part. It looked violent, but actually wasn't. Kids would help each other up and it was more like male bonding (it was mostly a male crowd) than anything else.

Sometime in the late 80s, though, it changed into this hyper-aggressive, jock thing. Just got real lame, real quick. Then with the stadium size crowds and whatnot, the asshole factor went into overdrive... Just my observations, though.

Though, I will say, I was at a PUSA show a couple of years ago, and it was like it was when I was a kid... mostly just drunk folks having a good time, bouncing around the room, helping each other up and laughing their asses off...

Alright, that's enough of "remember when?" for today...

Yep. It's the reason I don't go to the annual summer Rockfest here in KC anymore. 4 straight years of thousands of people elbow to elbow in the sun all day only to get a bunch of sweaty jock-types to elbow you in the face or put a boot in the back of your head. Mosh pits are fine at the smaller shows (see my profile) where everyone actually loves the band and looks out for each other.

Ima10urin8: Skail


you sucker punched a drunk guy in the back of the head, it's lame

Yeah next time punch him in the side of the head so he falls over instead of just stumbling around

The Corporation: Ima10urin8: Skail


you sucker punched a drunk guy in the back of the head, it's lame

Yeah next time punch him in the side of the head so he falls over instead of just stumbling around

Done. :)

Like I said, I wouldn't have done it if it were just me, but when some drunk chucklehead does it to a woman, particularly one I know and like, I get a lot more annoyed.

"Parents who tried marijuana in their youth may not realize the pot sold today is far stronger, said Silverman, who works with the county's Health Advocates Rejecting Marijuana program.

"Marijuana today is a potent drug and has serious health consequences," she said. "It's not the same pot as in the '60s or '70s."

Yeah, except that a lot of those parents are still smoking pot, and they know you're lying about it being that much stronger. Even if it was stronger, that would be a good thing. You wouldn't have to smoke as much to get high. Economy and health together, awesome!

Personally, I think we should stop trying to legislate the substance and legislate the behavior. For instance, if you show up at work obviously drunk or high, you can be fired, but not for doing it the night before, if you showed up at work sober. If you start a fight or drive under the influence, the penalty should be higher. We wouldn't have to change all that much, just let people know that they can do it, but if they make trouble while they're at it, they're going to get the book thrown at them.

Piss testing at work is a horrendous practice, because it opens the door to employers being able to dictate what you do at home. They get enough of my obedience at work already. They can stay away from my living room window at night.

The drunks would be the ones pissing on things, vomiting, breaking bottles, screaming, fighting, etc. The stoners will just steal you nachos...well, attempt to steal them. The giggling tends to give them away.

You'd think the zookeepers would prefer to dealing with tree sloths as opposed to screaming shiatflinging monkeys.

Slug2468: I make some killer pot cookies and take them to outdoor events, they'll knock your socks off and nobody knows, they look and smell just like regular cookies.

I made you a cookie, but...dude...wait, what?

theurge14: keylock71:
Eh, I did a fair bit of slamming back in the 80s (Pepperidge Farm Remembahs) and it was a lot of fun. Everybody was participating for the most part. It looked violent, but actually wasn't. Kids would help each other up and it was more like male bonding (it was mostly a male crowd) than anything else.

Sometime in the late 80s, though, it changed into this hyper-aggressive, jock thing. Just got real lame, real quick. Then with the stadium size crowds and whatnot, the asshole factor went into overdrive... Just my observations, though.

Though, I will say, I was at a PUSA show a couple of years ago, and it was like it was when I was a kid... mostly just drunk folks having a good time, bouncing around the room, helping each other up and laughing their asses off...

Alright, that's enough of "remember when?" for today...

Yep. It's the reason I don't go to the annual summer Rockfest here in KC anymore. 4 straight years of thousands of people elbow to elbow in the sun all day only to get a bunch of sweaty jock-types to elbow you in the face or put a boot in the back of your head. Mosh pits are fine at the smaller shows (see my profile) where everyone actually loves the band and looks out for each other.

I never go to stadium shows or festivals anymore... though I still love going to some dump to endulge and watch a local band or old touring band from my childhood.

Really, at the ripe old age of 37, all I'm interested in these days is having a few drinks, listening to the band and talking about meaningless shiat with my friends when I head out. I always felt more like cattle at the stadium shows.

Slug2468: I make some killer pot cookies and take them to outdoor events, they'll knock your socks off and nobody knows, they look and smell just like regular cookies.

Yeah, they don't smell like weed being smoked or send up smoke, but I've never had a pot cookie that didn't stink to high heaven of pot.

Oh, and the problem with eating cookies and such with pot in them is that you never know when it's going to kick in. Usually it's right in the middle of...whoa.

Approves.

/link is as hot as a heat-related simile

speaking for myself, i'd rather drinkers than pot smokers. choking on pot smoke on your way past stoners isn't my idea of a good time. I've got no problem with the guys that are eating the cookiesor brownies, or the guys that got stoned outside. But i don't want to have to be exposed to the smoke while i'm trying to enjoy the show.

/same with cigarrettes

amishkarl: speaking for myself, i'd rather drinkers than pot smokers. choking on pot smoke on your way past stoners isn't my idea of a good time. I've got no problem with the guys that are eating the cookiesor brownies, or the guys that got stoned outside. But i don't want to have to be exposed to the smoke while i'm trying to enjoy the show.

/same with cigarrettes

Hey, that's cool. I wouldn't dream of imposing on another person with my habits. I would rather 8-6 the drunk chicks and dudes, though. They tend to be a little more aggressively obnoxious.

amishkarl: speaking for myself, i'd rather drinkers than pot smokers. choking on pot smoke on your way past stoners isn't my idea of a good time. I've got no problem with the guys that are eating the cookiesor brownies, or the guys that got stoned outside. But i don't want to have to be exposed to the smoke while i'm trying to enjoy the show.

May I suggest one of these, then?



And you can stay the fark home where you belong?

Seriously though I've spoken to friends who book music in Chicago and they've recounted tales of folks getting booted out of venues for smoking a cigarette in a crowd of pot smokers.

I'm going to a Jimmy Buffett concert tonight with a bunch of pot-smoking drunks, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies ...

Stopping pot smokers at concerts would be hard, but some believe the drunks are the real problem; "I'd much rather be around a group of people smoking a joint at a concert than even one person who may have had one too many"

I agree. I'd like to see a nation wide ban on booze and pot sold in government controlled stores. We'd be a lot happier, mellower, and less likely to barf.

Oh_Enough_Already

yeah, that'd be great. Except, i'm there for the show Which is more than just the music.

Drunks ARE the real problem. People who can't keep their shiat together in public suck.

Drunks aren't the real problem. Assholes who drink to excess in public are the real problem. Drinking doesn't make you an asshole if you aren't one to begin with.

sheilanagig: we should stop trying to legislate the substance and legislate the behavior

Here's a smart cookie. The war on drugs is a failure because it doesn't address the root of the "problem": the demand. There will never be a supply for an item that is not wanted. Since we will never be able to eradicate the demand, the next best thing is to prescribe the conditions under which it is allowed.

Dude,

Get drunk and high!

A free Ziggy Marley concert was attended by people that smoke weed? Ridiculous!

Alcohol = TAX.
Pot smoking = WAR ON TERROR.

Come to Canaduh. Where you can be convicted of consumption and driving, even when you only were in a room of consumption. So says the new Overlords of Canada,,, MADD.

FunkOut: You'd think the zookeepers would prefer dealing with tree sloths as opposed to screaming shiatflinging monkeys.

FTW.

amishkarl: speaking for myself, i'd rather drinkers than pot smokers. choking on pot smoke on your way past stoners isn't my idea of a good time.

Well, amishkarl, if we lived in a sane society, there'd be a pot-smokers area on the concourse or somewhere, people could get buzzed there and go in to the show without bothering you (and you shouldn't *have* to deal with it) and getting that smell on your clothes, which could lead to awkward questions later.

Love this from the comments thread at TFA:

It is amazing how the police SELECTIVELY ENFORCE our laws.

They allow their officers to shoot drunk football players and unarmed women and children in cars. They allow Critical Mass bicyclists to violate traffic laws. They allow city council candidates (Hartley) to masturbate in public in sight of witnesses. They allow pot smokers to light up at will during concerts, while standing in the aisles twiddling their thumbs and getting paid.

Yet, they arrest people for drinking a beer at the beach, and arrest students at SDSU for the same drug crimes they tolerate at the Del Mar fairgrounds.

Where's the justice.

They allow city council candidates (Hartley) to masturbate in public in sight of witnesses. Wait, what? [Googles] I love San Diego. (new window)

I seem to get stuck by the drunken idiot who is wobbling all over the place, barely able to stand up and is five seconds away from puking. Since I stealth record concerts, drunks are high on my list of hated people because they're the ones who consistently bump into you and yell stupid shiat that ruins the recording.

Booze is for idiots.

zappaisfrank: I seem to get stuck by the drunken idiot who is wobbling all over the place, barely able to stand up and is five seconds away from puking. Since I stealth record concerts, drunks are high on my list of hated people because they're the ones who consistently bump into you and yell stupid shiat that ruins the recording.

Booze is for idiots.

HAH! I was just thinking that the other day when I was listening to a bootleg from a Richard Thompson concert and someone coughed. I thought to myself, "inconsiderate bastard. Doesn't he know there are people trying to record this?".