Robertson, Falwell, Dobson et. al., sank the republican party.

FTFA: "Remember, it was only a few years ago that we "smart" political reporters were writing about..."

I couldn't even finish that sentence without laughing. At least smart was put in quotations.

Actually, for all that has gone wrong, McCain still has about a 50-50 shot of winning the presidency.

Greed. Republican greed.

Look at the best they have to offer anymore, look at their supporters (unless you just ate), look at what they stand for.

The only surprising thing is that it's not even worse.

Mordant: Look at the best they have to offer anymore, look at their supporters (unless you just ate), look at what they stand for.

The only surprising thing is that it's not even worse.

Behold the power of propaganda and the wedge. The MSM ignoring McCain out of boredom for months on end didn't help much, either. And McCain's gotten more polished as the season's gone on (seen a green screen of death lately?), which may mean that disqualifying him on senior moments alone may be effectively leaving the table.

That, to me, is the disturbing part. They gloss over behavior which could very well be dangerous when exhibited by someone with as much power as a post-Bush Executive. Forget some of the pointless policy quibbling, that in and of itself should be the single most important question this season: is this man competent and capable enough to execute the office? From his schizophrenic campaign, I can only gather that John McCain won't actually be the president. The current party powers will appoint apparatchiks to any position of consequence. Four more years of the president bumbling around the stage while the cabinet robs the nation blind.

mikemoto: Actually, for all that has gone wrong, McCain still has about a 50-50 shot of winning the presidency.

Funny how the only Republican candidate with even a slight chance of winning is the one that claims to be nothing like the rest of the republicans.

newt couldn't stop being a bully-boy.

FireBreathingLiberal: Robertson, Falwell, Dobson et. al., sank the republican party.

more like the Republican party's catering to those guys.

I read this, then I check the polls. Obama has s 3 point lead. Gore had a 5 point lead over Bush in 2000, and lost. Kerry was down to Bush by 4 points.

Oh, Jesus f*cking Christ.

"How the GOP fell so far.." "How everything went wrong for Obama.." "How McCain lost the election.." "How the human race doomed itself to extinction.." "How Pepsi won the taste challenge and came out on top.."

I'm so sick of these past tense analysis of things yet to happen.

The GOP is strong. The DNC is strong. Everyone is as divisive and moronic as ever.

Nobody knows what's next.

And the only people who do know that things are going to be as complicated and non-productive as they ever were.

Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

They need to figure out who their core constituency is.

It's really very simple - abandon fiscal conservatism and you lose the Republican base.

Hagbardr: TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

They need to figure out who their core constituency is.

Fiscal conservatives. it really IS all about the economy.

The article illustrates points beyond opposition to the war and Bush being a big dummy. The loss of clout of the Christian Coalition and the NRA are big factors, as is the fundraising difficulty.

The technology issue, IMHO, is where the GOP loses me the most. Here, more than with any other issue, they have refused to keep up, and this does make them look like old crotchety geezers who want you off their lawn.

I was a McCain supporter in 2000, and changed my registration from democratic to no party affiliation because of him. He should have been the GOP nominee in 2000. He certainly would've been a better president then than what we ended up with. However, I can't support a presidential nominee who doesn't understand the Internet and other tech advances that most Americans use without a second thought. This does not bode well for making decisions and staying informed today.

Oh, and I'm female, and feel the choice of Palin is ridiculous.

ohnonotfloridaagain: The article illustrates points beyond opposition to the war and Bush being a big dummy. The loss of clout of the Christian Coalition and the NRA are big factors, as is the fundraising difficulty.

The technology issue, IMHO, is where the GOP loses me the most. Here, more than with any other issue, they have refused to keep up, and this does make them look like old crotchety geezers who want you off their lawn.

I was a McCain supporter in 2000, and changed my registration from democratic to no party affiliation because of him. He should have been the GOP nominee in 2000. He certainly would've been a better president then than what we ended up with. However, I can't support a presidential nominee who doesn't understand the Internet and other tech advances that most Americans use without a second thought. This does not bode well for making decisions and staying informed today.

Oh, and I'm female, and feel the choice of Palin is ridiculous.

I used to be a McCain supporter back in 2000. I wrote his name in in 2004, but for the same reasons, I will not be voting for him this time around

Let us not forget Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice.

DeadZone: I read this, then I check the polls. Obama has s 3 point lead. Gore had a 5 point lead over Bush in 2000, and lost. Kerry was down to Bush by 4 points.

It's easier to say that no polls have shown a split bigger than their margin of error.

The Republican Party is falling? That's news to me. Seems like there are still plenty of these guys around.



















For more evidence, check out some of the comments that inevitably will be appearing downthread soon.

Weaver95

Fiscal conservatives. it really IS all about the economy.


By that standard, the best Republican president since Ike was Bill Clinton. That is so sad.

Weaver95: It's really very simple - abandon fiscal conservatism and you lose the Republican base.

Indeed. Most people aren't religious wackos. They don't even mind taxes in and of themselves; they just want to make sure that they're getting the most for what they're paying. The amount and type of services provided by the government is always up for debate, but at the core we want to see where our money is going and make sure that we're benefiting the most we can.

Running the country like a sixteen-year-old with the parents' credit card just pisses off people who believe in a fiscal responsibility.

Tabatha Static: The Republican Party is falling? That's news to me. Seems like there are still plenty of these guys around.

For more evidence, check out some of the comments that inevitably will be appearing downthread soon.

The dude behind the sign holder in #4 looks like my dad. Good thing our definition of 'conservative' is different that the American definition. Otherwise I'd feel a lot more dirty than I should.

Tr0mBoNe: Good thing our definition of 'conservative' is different that the American definition.

Sadly, in a way, the American definition of "conservative" is different from the American definition of "conservative."

/Fiscally conservative atheist.
//The religious right scares the CRAP out of me.

Tabatha Static: The Republican Party is falling? That's news to me. Seems like there are still plenty of these guys around.




And people accuse Obama of having a cult of personality. Disgusting.

Cewley: newt couldn't stop being a bully-boy.

Heh. Yep. Newt and company came to power while I was living in South America and I didn't know anything about him. I remember eating dinner with my (Mormon Republican) college roommates one night while the TV was on in the background. We were in the dining room and I kept hearing this voice and his talking points against Clinton. OVER AND OVER again. I stopped mid-spaghetti and asked, "Who IS this asshole?"

"That's Newt Gingrich. He's going to bring back morality to the United States (or something equally idiotic, if I remember correctly.)"

Wow.

Because they believed the future lies with the religious nutjobs who believe that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

If Obama wins, I remain Republican. I think it would shake up the GOP enough to right the wheels of the party and get it pointed back toward Sanityville.

If McCain wins, I change my allegiance to Democrat and don't look back.

It's not all Bush's fault.

In fact most of the blame can be laid at the feet of all those sycophants in the GOP who watched him destroy their party and try to destroy this nation and cheered his every move with heartfelt gusto.

Team politics killed the GOP.

BKITU: Because they believed the future lies with the religious nutjobs who believe that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

If Obama wins, I remain Republican. I think it would shake up the GOP enough to right the wheels of the party and get it pointed back toward Sanityville.

If McCain wins, I change my allegiance to Democrat and don't look back.

That's actually one of the most sane things I've read here in a while.

I've said this so many times that I'm probably on a lot of ignore lists:

I'm a Goldwater Democrat. My uncles (not my dad, though, he's really anti-social) used to hang out with him when he came to visit the White Mountains of AZ. My family are all dyed-in-the-wool Democrats who LOVE Barry Goldwater.

McCain is a pathetic replacement. Just another douchebag who relied on his looks for the first 30 years and his POW-erience for the next 40.

The GOP lost it when they allowed the Dems to become the fiscally conservative party. Plus they've been on the wrong side of the right to privacy argument far too many times. Fark em. Let them fall.

FTA: And it has struggled to carve out a post-Sept. 11 identity beyond an image of the party best equipped to fight that used terrorism for political gain.

FTFT

DeadZone: I read this, then I check the polls. Obama has s 3 point lead. Gore had a 5 point lead over Bush in 2000, and lost. Kerry was down to Bush by 4 points.

National polls don't mean much unless you're trying to win the popular vote, which doesn't actually have anything to do with winning the election. The electoral college elects the President.

Good read in that article.

A pretty interesting line of relatively small instances of mismanagement and missed opportunities, that (along with other unmentioned ones I suspect) that snowballed.

Now you have the GOP that is only able to agree on the party Maverick (whether or not you agree, that's how he was viewed) as the candidate instead of one of the more established party members.

That, and the neo-con experiment bombed, flat out bombed.

And they couldn't have waited til November 5th to post this?

TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

How's the wife?

Bucky Katt: TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

How's the wife?

I wonder if they get double McCain points.

TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

Drinking the Neocon koolaid was a mistake. That led to promoting Wall Street over main street, the unpopular war, and a meddlesome foreign policy.

Yes, there are some freaks among the Republicans but most are regular people.

I believe I heard more references to "the middle class" than "the poor" at the Democrat convention. That is a recipe for success.

The GOP downsizes the convention to:

a) have an excuse for why it is so pathetic due to no one of significance being willing to speak
b) conveniently drop Bush and Cheney from speaking without it being perceived as a slight
c) act like heroes even though during Katrina, when there wasn't an election at stake, you had this:

TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

that's the corpse of it

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how Obama's name will read on the ballot?

Tabatha Static: The Republican Party is falling? That's news to me. Seems like there are still plenty of these guys around.




For more evidence, check out some of the comments that inevitably will be appearing downthread soon.

Weaver95 It's really very simple - abandon fiscal conservatism and you lose the Republican base.



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priestrape: TheConvincingSavant: Fewer neocons and more true conservatives like Gov. Palin is a step in the right direction.

that's the corpse of it

Swing and a miss?
Don't worry, we're all soldiers here.

rathoth: Swing and a miss?

nah...just trying to freshen it up a little.

Just kidding...my wife typed it

Has the Republican party really fallen that far? Does it really need to worry about the fact that it's completely out of ideas and has abandoned any semblance of honesty or morality? They're still probably going to have the White House in 2009, and will at least have a healthy minority in Congress. The problem is that the Republican party's moral and intellectual decline has coincided with a similar decline in a large portion of the population. There are droves of people out there who will stick with the party no matter how hollow its blathering about "Big government" and "Morality" becomes. People have become so prejudiced against the Democratic party and the now-meaningless term 'liberal' that they'll happily follow the Republican party to their graves.

/democracy has failed

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

The Republicans will not come back to the 'conservative' ways that most people want. The win in 1994 came about out of conning stupid voters that their bullshiat--that evolution is opposite to religion, that getting a blowjob actually means something serious--that their bullshiat matters. Flash-forward fourteen years and you have a nation teetering on the brink of a serious economic downturn brought on by destructive policies by politicians voted in because some dumbfarks in the sticks thought a blowjob was a bad thing.

And now, the Republicans have nothing. Their attempt for a hundred-year majority has dissolved into a bunch of sad old men trying to remain hip while the Democrats are trying to put shiat to order so America can remain upright. That's the way it always goes: the Democrats fix the country so the Republicans can run it into the ground. The Republicans do not give a good goddamn about abortion or gay marriage. Those are illusions for rubes to keep voting against their interests like the retarded chimps that they are.

The Republicans are nothing anymore. The 'conservative' mindset is now just code for bigotry and ignorance that'll sink everything in this country. The future belongs to the new conservatives that the Democratic Party represents and the new liberal party that will be born out of that. The Republicans are officially a dead deer on the side of the road, and it couldn't have happened faster.

They could not longer dupe the mental midgets they duped before!

Skleenar: It's not all Bush's fault. In fact most of the blame can be laid at the feet of all those sycophants in the GOP who watched him destroy their party and try to destroy this nation and cheered his every move with heartfelt gusto.

You win. The folks who dismissed valid criticism as "Bush Derangement Syndrome" or called anyone who disagreed with invading Iraq "traitors" or prayed that Obama's speech be rained out (and look how that turned out!) deserve the lion's share of the blame for the GOP's woes.