Two words.

GET OUT

I need more pics of Stephanie Abrams..

Hey, subby. Suck it.

/Here.
//Stayin'.

I liked visiting the French Quarter on vacation (NOT Mardi-Gras; not my crowd). I hope it doesn't get washed away.
I feel bad for some of these folk who just can't afford to vacate, if FEMA weren't run by the Keystone Cops, maybe something could be done for them.

If you can't afford to leave then what else are you supposed to do? You can't hop on a bus and sleep in downtown Houston for a few days unless you have a death wish, and the shelters they set up are even more dangerous. At least you know the hurricane won't try to steal your organs to sell in Venezuela.

/rooting for Darwin on this one.

just north of nola and getting a little freaked out

Let's just go ahead and turn into a national water park and be done with it.

when Hugo came ashore, one of the networks interviewed some idiot whose 120 year old house was directly across from their secure camera mount...he went on and on about how he had stayed in his house through multiple hurricanes, and "weren't no storm gonna scare me outta my house"

Next morning....no house, no idiot.

Problem solved.

///Darwin is on a flight to NO

AliasUndercover: If you can't afford to leave then what else are you supposed to do?

I coulda sworn that they had buses... you know, for free. That people could get onto, to GTFO.

kirlian: /Here.
//Stayin'.


Why?

Want to know the scary part?

75% of Gulf oil (25% of our supply) has shut down.

Good thing I topped off :)

Omg, my goal today is to post in every weather thread, green, red or TFD.

#3

WOOT GO ME!

wwffan7385: Want to know the scary part?

75% of Gulf oil (25% of our supply) has shut down.

Good thing I topped off :)

Oh shiat. Forgot about that. Gonna fill up on the way home now.

wwffan7385: Want to know the scary part?

75% of Gulf oil (25% of our supply) has shut down.

Good thing I topped off :)

That was the first thing I did on Friday after I got out of work. I can see gas going back up 20-30 cents cause of this.

"If I left, I'll probably lose my job," said Jeremiah O'Farrell, another dishwasher who is staying put. "I really don't have anywhere to go if I could leave. I could go home, but that doesn't seem like the thing to try. Too far, I guess."


Not to be too classist about it, but is a dishwasher job worth the risk of staying? Are such jobs so hard to find?

RoxtarRyan: wwffan7385: Want to know the scary part?

75% of Gulf oil (25% of our supply) has shut down.

Good thing I topped off :)

That was the first thing I did on Friday after I got out of work. I can see gas going back up 20-30 cents cause of this.

I think more than that unfortunately, because the hurricane is heading right for the infrastructure around the Louisiana/Texas coast.

/futures start trading electronically 2:30 ET today, watch those

RoxtarRyan: wwffan7385: Want to know the scary part?

75% of Gulf oil (25% of our supply) has shut down.

Good thing I topped off :)

That was the first thing I did on Friday after I got out of work. I can see gas going back up 20-30 cents cause of this.

That's a lowball estimate. Try $5+/gal by the end of the week depending on how bad the damage ends up being.

I'm going to go fill up my extra 10 and 5 gal tanks. Be back in a bit, don't let too many shenanigans occur without me.

Been through some hurricanes...

I'm not sure what's worse - leaving with whatever you can carry or putting up with the 'officials' afterward.

"You can't go back until we give the OK. Your street ... ummm ... probably next week."

/Florida

Abstruse: Try $5+/gal by the end of the week depending on how bad the damage ends up being.

Oh bullshiat.

Englebert Slaptyback: "If I left, I'll probably lose my job," said Jeremiah O'Farrell, another dishwasher who is staying put. "I really don't have anywhere to go if I could leave. I could go home, but that doesn't seem like the thing to try. Too far, I guess."


Not to be too classist about it, but is a dishwasher job worth the risk of staying? Are such jobs so hard to find?

It can be if the economy is shiat. To quote the great Dr. Gregory House, "If you've got an eight dollar an hour job, you kinda need the eight bucks." Even if he finds another job in two weeks, that's two weeks he doesn't have money. Because dishwashers aren't exactly known for having vast savings portfolios.

Abstruse: Try $5+/gal by the end of the week depending on how bad the damage ends up being

just what percentage of US oil consumption does NOLA supply, again?

Abstruse: Englebert Slaptyback: "If I left, I'll probably lose my job," said Jeremiah O'Farrell, another dishwasher who is staying put. "I really don't have anywhere to go if I could leave. I could go home, but that doesn't seem like the thing to try. Too far, I guess."


Not to be too classist about it, but is a dishwasher job worth the risk of staying? Are such jobs so hard to find?

It can be if the economy is shiat. To quote the great Dr. Gregory House, "If you've got an eight dollar an hour job, you kinda need the eight bucks." Even if he finds another job in two weeks, that's two weeks he doesn't have money. Because dishwashers aren't exactly known for having vast savings portfolios.



On the flip side, eternity is a lot longer than 2 weeks.

at80eighty: Abstruse: Try $5+/gal by the end of the week depending on how bad the damage ends up being

just what percentage of US oil consumption does NOLA supply, again?

the gulf is 25%. 75% of that is shut down. by my math, that's almost 19% of our supply shutting down.

/bush must be enjoying this

Norad: Abstruse: Try $5+/gal by the end of the week depending on how bad the damage ends up being.

Oh bullshiat.

ORLY? Went from $2.50/gal to almost $4/gal last time round with the back-to-back whammy of Katrina and Rita. Gustov looks like it's going to hit both areas those two hurricanes hit (New Orleans for shipping, Southwest Louisiana and Southeast Texas for refineries, not to mention offshore oil platforms). I've got friends and family from Lake Charles to Beaumont coming to crash at my place.

wwffan7385: the gulf is 25%. 75% of that is shut down. by my math, that's almost 19% of our supply shutting down.

/bush must be enjoying this

Canada, be warned... it could get ugly if Bush learns that we get a lot of our oil from you guys.

/"but are they brown people?"

Okay, so there's buses. So those with no money can leave after all. But then what?

*You're not working, so no income. Possibly for an extended period of time.
*You had little to begin with, and assets run out quickly.
*You're in an unfamiliar, unsafe setting. A lot of the shelters set up for evacuees are dangerous, especially for women and children.

Tell me, O wise ones, what you would do? Not everyone in NOLA has all the wonderful options the rest of America seems to think they do. The notoriously incompetent FEMA still hasn't got their act together.

Granted (because I see you about to fire off a retort about this), there are stupid motherfarkers who choose to stay for no good reason at all. We all know those levees aren't ready. Those people deserve whatever they get. Even that idiot Nagin is finally getting tough on the residents to GTFO; this time around, there are no excuses... except for lack of funds.


/"...do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?"
//saying a prayer for those left behind

Indeed, but in reading the article it seems that for some people at least if they leave they wont have a job to come back to, that they'll be fired.

It's pretty despicable if an employer can get away that, even just leaving it as an unspoken threat by not encouraging their employees to leave.

/Dickens is thumbing a lift with Darwin.

RoxtarRyan: Canada, be warned... it could get ugly if Bush learns that we get a lot of our oil from you guys.

/"but are they brown people?"

Well the Eskimos...oh, and we can always just start having art imitate life a la Canadian Bacon. "The US and Canada share the largest unsecure border in the world! Canadians might just be living amongst you right now and you wouldn't even know it!"

at80eighty: kirlian: /Here.
//Stayin'.


Why?

For the excellent looting opportunities. Duh.

Let's play over/under

$5.15/gallon

wwffan7385: 19% of our supply shutting down

higher than i expected. that bites


hey kirlian since youre insisting on staying there & have internet access, could you flip on your webcam?

IBreakdance2NIN: Okay, so there's buses. So those with no money can leave after all. But then what?

*You're not working, so no income. Possibly for an extended period of time.
*You had little to begin with, and assets run out quickly.
*You're in an unfamiliar, unsafe setting. A lot of the shelters set up for evacuees are dangerous, especially for women and children.

Yer right. I'd rather stay and be homeless and possibly dead, than leave and be homeless and definitely alive.

Troodon: Indeed, but in reading the article it seems that for some people at least if they leave they wont have a job to come back to, that they'll be fired.

It's pretty despicable if an employer can get away that, even just leaving it as an unspoken threat by not encouraging their employees to leave.

/Dickens is thumbing a lift with Darwin.

United States Postal Service did something shiatty when I worked for them during Rita. They told us they expected us back to work immediately. They would make no allowances for food, water, shelter, or anything else but we were to return to work right away. If we were not able to return, we had to call in every single day like we were calling in sick. No emergency pay, no nothing. But they still wanted us to return to houses damaged and flooded with no power, no clean water, no food, no gas, and absolutely nothing else to support us and they refused to do anything to help.

And before you say "but the mail has to be delivered", let me point out that I worked for a Data Conversion Center. That means that my office did electronic sorting and nothing else. We never handled mail, we did straight data entry all on computers.

AND THE POWER WAS OUT FOR THREE WEEKS AFTER THE HURRICANE!

The people who did show up to work sat around outside for two hours (the minimum shift the post office was allowed to work us) then went home for three days a week (the minimum they were allowed to schedule us. So those who came back got 6 hours a week of pay and that's it. Didn't even provide lunch.

And those people who couldn't call in because they didn't have cell coverage or phone lines operating where they were? Got an attendance occurrence every day until they called in.

at80eighty: kirlian: /Here.
//Stayin'.


Why?

Like the article said, "It's hard to explain to someone who's not from here why anyone would choose to stay." And I wouldn't want to feed the trolls and peanut gallery in here in any case. Sorry. :)

/what kind of a name is "Gustav," anyway?

"I mean, look at the local weather guys, they know what they're doing, not those Weather Channel people. The local people say it's gonna move north, and that's enough for me."

yeah, after it hits and floods new orleans. and once new orleans floods, even after the storm has passed, your SOL.

Before Gonzalez goes back inside, he turns and mutters, "Too expensive, anyway."

how can you afford NOT to?

They are offering people free transportation out of the city and there are multiple shelters set up all over the state where people can stay for free and receive meals. There is NO excuse for not leaving. If you don't leave you just become a burden if anything does happen. This time they should leave people on their roof.

/Can't wait to get on TV

When rescue workers are killed trying to save these people in the aftermath I think those who chose to stay behind should be charged with manslaughter.

RadiomanATL: IBreakdance2NIN: Okay, so there's buses. So those with no money can leave after all. But then what?

*You're not working, so no income. Possibly for an extended period of time.
*You had little to begin with, and assets run out quickly.
*You're in an unfamiliar, unsafe setting. A lot of the shelters set up for evacuees are dangerous, especially for women and children.

Yer right. I'd rather stay and be homeless and possibly dead have a roof over my head and as much supplies I can hold onto as long as the building I'm in doesn't get flooded or blown over, than leave and be homeless and definitely alive.

FTFY

Abstruse: Englebert Slaptyback: "If I left, I'll probably lose my job," said Jeremiah O'Farrell, another dishwasher who is staying put. "I really don't have anywhere to go if I could leave. I could go home, but that doesn't seem like the thing to try. Too far, I guess."


Not to be too classist about it, but is a dishwasher job worth the risk of staying? Are such jobs so hard to find?

It can be if the economy is shiat. To quote the great Dr. Gregory House, "If you've got an eight dollar an hour job, you kinda need the eight bucks." Even if he finds another job in two weeks, that's two weeks he doesn't have money. Because dishwashers aren't exactly known for having vast savings portfolios.

While this may be true, I still am pretty sure that a person can find another restaurant job, and in less than 7 days.

I make very good money as does my fiancé and we have a few nice savings accounts. We always plan for the worst and know for a fact that within 3 days of being fired/let go we could have a wait job at one of many restaurants in the area. Sure would it be a third or less of what we are making now and not even in the same class of work as what we are doing? Yeah, but its keeping the income going while you look for a better paying job. I help close multi-million dollar deals, and I will clean up vomit in an elementary school or bust tables. It doesn't matter.

The dishwasher doesn't have drive or motivation and we all know it by reading just that one line. Life is one long sorry excuse after another to justify his pitiful existence. I don't understand these types of people and never have. I can find a dozen jobs that pay 35K that don't require any skills at all. This guy and people like him who stay in dying communities because it's all they have ever known, well...get over it. They are the ones who settle for everything in life and constantly complain about being dealt the raw deal. Never mind at any time a person can fold their hand and leave the game they are at and go try their luck at another table.

I could continue to rant but I am sure this will have offended the sensibilities of several in here enough to generate debate.

How much money and effort should a society really spend to prolong the lives of the profoundly stupid?

at80eighty:


hey kirlian since youre insisting on staying there & have internet access, could you flip on your webcam?

Heh. Don't have one. I think there're plenty of people blogging the storm already, anyway.

kirlian: Like the article said, "It's hard to explain to someone who's not from here why anyone would choose to stay." And I wouldn't want to feed the trolls and peanut gallery in here in any case. Sorry. :)

man, my grandma , who lives in an urban city of india, stayed put while saying the same damn sentence, while a flash storm just flooded the everloving shiat out of the city - if i was there , honest to god, i'd have slapped her to her senses if she still refused to move. youre being foolish just like her - "i just cant explain it" doesnt cut it , but hey, goodluck & hopefully we'll see you post again once its over

Abstruse:

Fix anything you want, but yer kidding yerself if you think that something is LESS likely to happen to someone who stays as opposed to someone who leaves.

if your house got flooded last time, you rebuilt it entirely, and decide to stay - i have no sympathies for you.

NYZooMan: How much money and effort should a society really spend to prolong the lives of the profoundly stupid?

We're spending a trillion bucks on Iraq.

Those people didn't have to stay there when Saddam was in power.

We'll finally see this guy again