Funny, she looks like desperate pandering, to me.

bloobeary: Funny, she looks like desperate pandering, to me.

It says a response, not that there's any disagreement.

so what you're saying is, the best argument in her favor is that she is a partisan political calculation. nice to know.

She is a throwback to the cowboy individualism of Barry Goldwater,

WRONG! Goldwater thought the Religious Right had no place in the Republican party. He was also pro-gay rights and thought banning homosexuals was the military was unconstitutional.

"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."

He also thought the government should stay the hell out of the abortion debates. When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

I would have actually voted for Barry Goldwater.

Gwendolyn: She is a throwback to the cowboy individualism of Barry Goldwater,

WRONG! Goldwater thought the Religious Right had no place in the Republican party. He was also pro-gay rights and thought banning homosexuals was the military was unconstitutional.

"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."

He also thought the government should stay the hell out of the abortion debates. When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

I would have actually voted for Barry Goldwater.

"Isn't it funny? We're the liberals now!" - Bob Dole to Barry Goldwater

Did someone say cloying pageantry?

Gwendolyn: She is a throwback to the cowboy individualism of Barry Goldwater,

WRONG! Goldwater thought the Religious Right had no place in the Republican party. He was also pro-gay rights and thought banning homosexuals was the military was unconstitutional.

"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."

He also thought the government should stay the hell out of the abortion debates. When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

I would have actually voted for Barry Goldwater.

If someone like Goldwater actually started getting some traction in the GOP, I'd switch my registration back to Republican in a heartbeat.

Fark them though, the Democrats are more fiscally responsible than the Republicans these days, and that's saying a lot.

Oh, and before I get RON PAUL'd, he was nowhere near Goldwater in terms of pragmatic fiscal conservatism. Goldwater understood that government should be as small as possible in terms of scope, but powerful and effective in the areas that it was responsible for.

Here's to Obama in 2008. Maybe, by 2016 (2020 more likely) the GOP will have ousted the evangelicals and will start catering to fiscal restraint once again.

Oh god, they're already comparing her to a young Margaret Thatcher.


There is absolutely no way that could back fire, no way at all.

slobarnuts: Oh god, they're already comparing her to a young Margaret Thatcher.


There is absolutely no way that could back fire, no way at all.

Are you farking kidding me?

Thatcher was the British equivalent of a 20 year Congresswoman before she became Prime Minister. Elected MP 19 '59, became PM in '79. And from '70-'79 she was education secretary, then opposition leader.

Besides both having a uterus, how the hell is Palin anything like Thatcher? As far as I can tell, Palin's not even evil!

slobarnuts: Oh god, they're already comparing her to a young Margaret Thatcher.


There is absolutely no way that could back fire, no way at all.

That has to be as risky as putting Joe Biden out there as some sort of "change".

I'm less interested about how she attacks the Obama campaign and more interested in what her stand is on the issues and how her stand affects my everyday life.

So far, not so good.

"Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era."

Oh, snap (new window)

Did you ever notice how some people seem to just excel at self promotion for no apparent reason?

BladBoy: "Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era."

Oh, snap (new window)

ORLY?

Your definition of "presidential scholars" is rather suspect. From page 2 of your link:

UPDATE: After reading this article, the McCain campaign issued the following statement: "The authors quote four scholars attacking Gov. Palin's fitness for the office of vice president. Among them, David Kennedy is a maxed-out Obama donor, Joel Goldstein is also an Obama donor, and Doris Kearns Goodwin has donated exclusively to Democrats this cycle. Finally, Matthew Dallek is a former speech writer for Dick Gephardt. This is not a story about scholars questioning Gov. Palin's credentials so much as partisan Democrats who would find a reason to disqualify or discount any nominee put forward by Sen. McCain."

so the logic is you guys suck but we can suck worse?

Shouldn't this be what you want in your presidential candidate instead of your vice presidential candidate?

OMFG, this Palin chick is a bimbo, and prop, and is being using by the Republican party to pander for votes.

What a joke. She'll fold like a deck of cards before election day...it will be dramatic and embarrassing.

Good concept....well written...politically well-played....

she is great for women if you think women need guidance from the state to be told what the best choices are for their their reproductive rights.

cluNYC

That looks more like Peggy Hill than Sarah Palin.

How does that song go?

Oh yeah...


"Corky's Mom has got it goin' on!!"

Bloody William: Besides both having a uterus, how the hell is Palin anything like Thatcher? As far as I can tell, Palin's not even evil!

She has more executive experience than Thatcher did.

If Palin were in fact a man, the choice would have been obvious, quietly applauded and generally supported by right-leaning voters.

That's gotta one of the biggest stretches of the campaign (but I'm sure there will be bigger ones as the season continues).

"Selling a plane on eBay is just one example of the kind of problem-solving intuition she'll bring to Washington."

What?

Glitchwerks: That looks more like Peggy Hill than Sarah Palin.

LAWL!

bartink: Bloody William: Besides both having a uterus, how the hell is Palin anything like Thatcher? As far as I can tell, Palin's not even evil!

She has more executive experience than Thatcher did.

No, you idiot, she doesn't.

Cubist Robot Party: Oh, and before I get RON PAUL'd, he was nowhere near Goldwater in terms of pragmatic fiscal conservatism. Goldwater understood that government should be as small as possible in terms of scope, but powerful and effective in the areas that it was responsible for.

Here's to Obama in 2008. Maybe, by 2016 (2020 more likely) the GOP will have ousted the evangelicals and will start catering to fiscal restraint once again.

Meh. I'd rather see them disbanded altogether.

Glitchwerks: cluNYC

That looks more like Peggy Hill than Sarah Palin.

That is Peggy Hill. There's another shop floating around comparing McCain and Palin to Cotton and Peggy Hill. So I just built on top of that.

depmode98: she is great for women if you think women need guidance from the state to be told what the best choices are for their their reproductive rights.

If someone truly believes that an embryo is life, then the parent has no more right to end it's life in the womb than they do after the child is born.

/not anti-abortion, but I can understand their point of view

I'm looking more forward to the VP debates then the presidential. OH the beating Biden will give Palin will almost indescribable. It will be like Muhammad Ali vs. paraplegic. All Biden has to do is paint her as a dangerous incompetent (which he doesn't have to say a word because her record speaks [lack thereof] for herself).

I keep thinking we're stuck in some Lifetime movie where the almost beauty queen rather accidentally ends up as President.

cluNYC: Glitchwerks: cluNYC

That looks more like Peggy Hill than Sarah Palin.

That is Peggy Hill. There's another shop floating around comparing McCain and Palin to Cotton and Peggy Hill. So I just built on top of that.

Ah, gotcha. I'm late to the joke I guess.

Spanky_McFarksalot: If someone truly believes that an embryo is life, then the parent has no more right to end it's life in the womb than they do after the child is born.

/not anti-abortion, but I can understand their point of view

Its principled, thats for sure. But is it really gonna bring over suburban women, the one group that McCain must pick up in order to win? No.

Its a terrible, desperate choice. Classic.

bartink: Its a terrible, desperate choice. Classic

Oh I completley agree her choice is a sign of desperation on mccains part. The reality is the election isn't near as close as the national polls say.

The MSM should stop pretending mccain is holding his own.

bartink: Spanky_McFarksalot: If someone truly believes that an embryo is life, then the parent has no more right to end it's life in the womb than they do after the child is born.

/not anti-abortion, but I can understand their point of view

Its principled, thats for sure. But is it really gonna bring over suburban women, the one group that McCain must pick up in order to win? No.

Its a terrible, desperate choice. Classic.

So who would have been the better pick for Mccain ?

He should have gone with Huckabee. This was a moronic choice. The only thing that would have made me happier is if he chose Lieberman.

I guess McCain's idea of "change" is to change the level of qualification one needs to be President to "US Citizen, legal age, and has served in some form of Government.

We should have NY City council members on the next ticket. "It's a big city!"

I am back home for the long weekend, and I asked my mother, a die-hard Hillary supporter (she is even proud that they share the same birthday), if she would be supporting McCain now that he has picked a woman for his VP nominee. She just started laughing. I imagine that's the reaction for a majority of the Hillary supporters.

atlanta_ufo: So who would have been the better pick for Mccain ?

Hutchinson. Plain and simple.

atlanta_ufo: bartink: Spanky_McFarksalot: If someone truly believes that an embryo is life, then the parent has no more right to end it's life in the womb than they do after the child is born.

/not anti-abortion, but I can understand their point of view

Its principled, thats for sure. But is it really gonna bring over suburban women, the one group that McCain must pick up in order to win? No.

Its a terrible, desperate choice. Classic.

So who would have been the better pick for Mccain ?

Where to begin? Cheney, Madonna, Ru Paul, etc. Those are just the terrible choices that are better.

cameroncrazy1984: atlanta_ufo: So who would have been the better pick for Mccain ?

Hutchinson. Plain and simple.

THAT twunt?

I used to live in her district. She's pure and corrupt evil wrapped in sagging skin.

to the point that McCain's pick was an intensely political one, check out this article:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php?page=1

McCain advisors admit that McCain was pushing HARD for Lieberman because thats whom he really wanted, but his advisors convinced him that it would not be good for his campaign, so instead of doing what McCain thought was beast for the country, he picked what was best for his campaign.

Gwendolyn: She is a throwback to the cowboy individualism of Barry Goldwater,

WRONG! Goldwater thought the Religious Right had no place in the Republican party. He was also pro-gay rights and thought banning homosexuals was the military was unconstitutional.

"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."

He also thought the government should stay the hell out of the abortion debates. When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

I would have actually voted for Barry Goldwater.

And yet, ironically, Goldwater's nomination highlighted the shift in power away from the Northeastern, Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party and the rise of the Southern, evangelical wing. Outside of Arizona, he only won Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. He may have resented the influence of the Christian Right in the 80s, but he played a big part in reaching out to them in the 60s. In '62, he was quoted as saying "You go hunting where the ducks are," which was his way of saying that the GOP should ignore the black vote in the South and go after disaffected Dixiecrats.

Goldwater might not have even gotten the nomination without the support of social convertives who bailed on Rockefeller because of his relationship issues during the primaries.

How this woman can appeal to anyone beyond the "23 percenters" and the bible thumpers is beyond me.

For the true undecideds out there, how can she make a single one of them think, "Ah, this is the type of person that is going to make me vote for McCain."

Most of the polling data I've seen has concluded the undecideds liked Obama except for the fact they were worried about experience and him passing the Commander in Chief test. Wouldn't seen a J school graduate beauty queen on the McCain ticket just scare the fark out of them?

Franco: I'm looking more forward to the VP debates then the presidential. OH the beating Biden will give Palin will almost indescribable. It will be like Muhammad Ali vs. paraplegic. All Biden has to do is paint her as a dangerous incompetent (which he doesn't have to say a word because her record speaks [lack thereof] for herself).

One of the things dyed-in-the-wool evangelicals are good at are sounding good in debates. There's something vaguely attractive in someone who has a certainty that resists all reason and reality. I very much doubt that she'll have a more than superficial knowledge of any of the issues beyond, perhaps, energy. She will cling to her talking points like a barnacle to a ship and that will get her some points. Why? Because people are stupid.

Marla Singer's Laundry: atlanta_ufo: bartink: Spanky_McFarksalot: If someone truly believes that an embryo is life, then the parent has no more right to end it's life in the womb than they do after the child is born.

/not anti-abortion, but I can understand their point of view

Its principled, thats for sure. But is it really gonna bring over suburban women, the one group that McCain must pick up in order to win? No.

Its a terrible, desperate choice. Classic.

So who would have been the better pick for Mccain ?

Where to begin? Cheney, Madonna, Ru Paul, etc. Those are just the terrible choices that are better.

Thanks for the well thought out answer. I'm for Obama and I would have rather have two old guys on the Repub ticket. I think good move by Mccain to take a chance of being different because I think he would have been crushed with two guys on his ticket.

She is the female version of George W. Bush. Looks like a friend who is there for you, and we're in trouble if she ever gets to be president.

How can the Obama campaign have false promises when he hasen't been in power to implement them?

Right now they're promises, if he wins and then sits on his hands they would become false promises.

Is it just me or is everything the right said so far in the campaign either a full out lie or disingenuous deception?

Cubist Robot Party: Oh, and before I get RON PAUL'd, he was nowhere near Goldwater in terms of pragmatic fiscal conservatism. Goldwater understood that government should be as small as possible in terms of scope, but powerful and effective in the areas that it was responsible for.

Barry Goldwater, Jr. seems to like him.

depmode98: to the point that McCain's pick was an intensely political one, check out this article:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php?page=1

McCain advisors admit that McCain was pushing HARD for Lieberman because thats whom he really wanted, but his advisors convinced him that it would not be good for his campaign, so instead of doing what McCain thought was beast for the country, he picked what was best for his campaign.

What depresses me about this is had McCain picked Lieberman it would have forced the GOP to take a hard look at itself and decide what it wants to be. It may have cost him the election, but it may have purged out the religious wing of the party as well, which would be a good thing for this country. They are why I left they GOP, and they are why I'll never return.

Instead, I'm afraid the Palin pick will make the religous wing even more dominant, even if they lose. They'll feel victimized and set upon, and be more pissed off and self righteous than ever, further marginalizing the Republican Party.