But maybe (and at least as likely) it will reinforce a theme that I'd be pounding home if I were the Obama campaign: that it's John McCain for all his white hair who represents the risky choice, while it is Barack Obama who offers cautious, steady, predictable governance.

you're beginning to catch on.

But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

By George (Bush?), I think he's got it

The Palin pick immediately invalidated the best attack McCain has on Obama: can you trust someone with this little governmental experience in the Presidency? Apparently, it doesn't matter, and you can put some chick who's been governor of the smallest state in the Union for like 3 weeks in a position to have to assume the role at any time.

I've always thought Obama would win not so much on what he did, but on how McCain would fark up. And it's playing out that way, I think.

jake_lex: and you can put some chick who's been governor of the smallest state in the Union

Alaska is the BIGGEST state in the union.

/yeah, I know. But someone made that argument yesterday on Fark. I just had to repeat it.

Skleenar: jake_lex: and you can put some chick who's been governor of the smallest state in the Union

Alaska is the BIGGEST state in the union.

/yeah, I know. But someone made that argument yesterday on Fark. I just had to repeat it.

Oh, ok. Her state has millions and millions of square miles of wasteland no one's living in she's governing over. That changes everything. McCain/Palin '08!

/just threw up in my mouth a little
//not suited for this troll thing

You have to admit, it was an unexpected move. Still, it does hurt their best attack on Obama with the experience thing. They were saying how compared to McCain, Obama has no experience. Well, also compared to McCain, Palin has no experience, and she has some chance of being president should McCain win.

jake_lex: Oh, ok. Her state has millions and millions of square miles of wasteland no one's living in she's governing over. That changes everything. McCain/Palin '08!

/just threw up in my mouth a little
//not suited for this troll thing

Yea, we already have WAY too many trolls on this site politics tab.

/Although, looks like the other tabs are pretty much troll-free now
//Notice how its only anti-Obama trolls and not direct pro-McCain trolls?

NeverDrunk23: You have to admit, it was an unexpected move. Still, it does hurt their best attack on Obama with the experience thing. They were saying how compared to McCain, Obama has no experience. Well, also compared to McCain, Palin has no experience, and she has some chance of being president should McCain win.

jake_lex: Oh, ok. Her state has millions and millions of square miles of wasteland no one's living in she's governing over. That changes everything. McCain/Palin '08!

/just threw up in my mouth a little
//not suited for this troll thing

Yea, we already have WAY too many trolls on this site politics tab.

/Although, looks like the other tabs are pretty much troll-free now
//Notice how its only anti-Obama trolls and not direct pro-McCain trolls?

It's really hard to like McCain right now. He has spun on too many issues, he's literally turned me from a supporter--I voted for him in the primary in Mass, because I thought he was the better man for the job than any on the field--to casting around, and Senator Obama has got my vote now. And McCain managed that one nearly on his own. In some ways, because Obama co-opted McCain's thunder and message, and because McCain torpedoed his own platform in an attempt to differentiate himself.

It was a well neigh Clintonian strategy on the part of the Obama campaign. And it worked, because McCain dove for crazy land trying to be different, and trying to look the Maverick--all the while lurching further and further Right. And I'm Conservative enough, that I'm not comfy with radicals, and McCain is looking more and more radical as time goes on.

Skleenar: jake_lex: and you can put some chick who's been governor of the smallest state in the Union

Alaska is the BIGGEST state in the union.

/yeah, I know. But someone made that argument yesterday on Fark. I just had to repeat it.

And it's right there next to Russia, which naturally means she's an expert at dealing with the Ruskies.

Not like it matters. I mean what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

Tr0mBoNe: Not like it matters. I mean what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

You should ask the VP candidate.

Oh wait, she doesn't know.

Tr0mBoNe: Not like it matters. I mean what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

Become the president if the president dies, for one. And McCain will be the oldest first term president and he has a history of cancer and crippling war wounds.

But really, if even NRO is questioning Palin. . . That's bad.

Tr0mBoNe: Not like it matters. I mean what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

As long as it involves semiautomatic weapons and miniskirts, I'm sure she'll do just fine.

"Palin, compared to Obama, has infinitely more executive experience of the biggest state in the union. Plus she is close to Russia, so she knows all about the Russian threat."



-Karl

johnnyrocket: "Palin, compared to Obama, has infinitely more executive experience of the biggest state in the union. Plus she is close to Russia, so she knows all about the Russian threat."



-Karl

Sweet feathery jesus, if I had 1 free shot with a sniper rifle.

Right between his farking eyes.

But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Mother 'effin THIS.

This is exactly what I was just telling my parents today when I was arguing with them about McCain's pick.

Tr0mBoNe: Not like it matters. I mean what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

Funny, that's exactly what she said.

Joe Scarborough said as much on his show too. Horrible choice and an insult to women is how he put it.

Third Day Mark: Sweet feathery jesus, if I had 1 free shot with a sniper rifle.

Right between his farking eyes.

I need to get photoshop and 'shop a pic of an FBI agent in the Chris Hansen pose with a caption saying, "Why don't you take a seat over there? In Guantanamo."

Calvin Coolidge: But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Mother 'effin THIS.

This is exactly what I was just telling my parents today when I was arguing with them about McCain's pick.

I think Sullivan put it pretty well.

Wow, the Republican followers are starting to actually show some brain cells here, along with questioning authority. Good. About damn time.

Anyway, the news surrounding this situation is trying to put the best light onto it as possible. I especially like the 'at least the hard Christian right is now energized!' Yeah, because they were sooo going to vote for Obama. McCain has essentially lost the moderates due to his behavior, and is going to get slammed this year. Might as well start calling him Mondale now.

Someone must have lost their Talking Points Memo and had to actually think for themselves.

Guntram Shatterhand: I especially like the 'at least the hard Christian right is now energized!' Yeah, because they were sooo going to vote for Obama.

Well, I think the point was that the GOP was afraid they were going to stay home, not that they were going to vote Obama.

fta: Sarah Palin may well have concealed inner reservoirs of greatness.


We've all seen the evidence of reservoirs of greatness.

johnnyrocket: "Palin, compared to Obama, has infinitely more executive experience of the biggest state in the union. Plus she is close to Russia, so she knows all about the Russian threat."



-Karl

If that picture was hotlinked, would that make it a Hot Karl?

Who cares what Frum has to say? His loyalty is to Israel, not to the Republican party, and certainly not to the USA. His ideal pick was Benjamin Netanyahu.


/or Ariel Sharon

The Palin pick immediately invalidated the best attack McCain has on Obama: can you trust someone with this little governmental experience in the Presidency

You're right, they can't. So you put them in the Vice-President position for some on-the-job training. Even so, Palin has more executive experience already than everyone else in the race, combined...

The Dems, however, put their guy (less experienced in actual job experience than Palin, or, at best, the same) in the top slot, and are hoping he can figure it out once he's there. Then, this new guy with big, bright outsider ideas hires - Biden. Right.

...and no, the speeches Obama's been reading off of the teleprompter don't really show any sort of potential for doing the actual job of President.

Tsunami Ditka:
I think Sullivan put it pretty well.

You're right, that sums it up pretty well.

cirby: ...and no, the speeches Obama's been reading off of the teleprompter don't really show any sort of potential for doing the actual job of President.

Where did they put a teleprompter in Invesco Field? Must have been one of those newfangled stealth teleprompters. . .

I don't expect her to have the foreign policy knowledge of Henry Kissinger, or even Joe Biden. I'd just like to see the slightest evidence she has more knowledge than my own mother at this point.

And the key word here is 'knowledge.' We all know she has zero experience, and we all know Obama has little compared to McCain or Biden. But, he does have knowledge. He has through his books and speaking convinced me he has knowledge of foreign policy and a sound understanding of the world in which we live. I'm open to her convincing me otherwise, but I strongly question what level of basic knowledge this woman has of the world around her that goes above and beyond what one acquires naturally from a BA in journalism and a few years of holding office in the most remote area of the United States.

Can this woman even name the key political players in Iraq? Could she find Georgia on a map prior to a month ago, or even now? Does she have an opinion on our relations with Israel, or is she just going to be fed one by McCain?

We all see what happens when you have an uninformed cretin as President that is just a puppet being manipulated by those around him. What if McCain dies 6 months after taking office and she has to take over? Does she have the knowledge to even question the advice that will be coming her way from the neocon hawks McCain is certain to fill his Cabinet with?

cirby: The Palin pick immediately invalidated the best attack McCain has on Obama: can you trust someone with this little governmental experience in the Presidency

You're right, they can't. So you put them in the Vice-President position for some on-the-job training. Even so, Palin has more executive experience already than everyone else in the race, combined...

The Dems, however, put their guy (less experienced in actual job experience than Palin, or, at best, the same) in the top slot, and are hoping he can figure it out once he's there. Then, this new guy with big, bright outsider ideas hires - Biden. Right.

...and no, the speeches Obama's been reading off of the teleprompter don't really show any sort of potential for doing the actual job of President.

People are talking about how you need experience to be President. But you can't get Presidential experience unless there is a Presidential simulator I am not aware of. Wasn't George W. Bush governor of Texas for a few years before being president?

Surely George Washington should not have been President because he had no experience being President?

I really don't think experience should count for being President. Character and judgement should.

Does anyone actually like this pick?
If McCain doesn't jettison her (ie., if she doesn't quit to spend more time with her family)then the GOP is on the take.
Just call them the Black Sox. Say it ain't so, Maverick John.

culebra: Does anyone actually like this pick?
If McCain doesn't jettison her (ie., if she doesn't quit to spend more time with her family)then the GOP is on the take.
Just call them the Black Sox. Say it ain't so, Maverick John.

We like her for the naughty librarian vibe.

cirby: The Palin pick immediately invalidated the best attack McCain has on Obama: can you trust someone with this little governmental experience in the Presidency

You're right, they can't. So you put them in the Vice-President position for some on-the-job training. Even so, Palin has more executive experience already than everyone else in the race, combined...

The Dems, however, put their guy (less experienced in actual job experience than Palin, or, at best, the same) in the top slot, and are hoping he can figure it out once he's there. Then, this new guy with big, bright outsider ideas hires - Biden. Right.

...and no, the speeches Obama's been reading off of the teleprompter don't really show any sort of potential for doing the actual job of President.

The Vice Presidency is NOT "on-the-job training." Palin needs to be ready to take the reins on Day One, should McCain keel over ten seconds after he takes the oath. Take Obama out of the picture for three seconds and HONESTLY think about if you'd really be comfortable with Palin running the entire country on January 20th, 2009. I think if your answer to that question is "yes," you're lying to yourself in order to justify your vote.

I'm so tired of this assertion that Palin's experience is more or at least equal to Obama's. It's so laughably idiotic and it defies all reason and logic. Just shut up already with this.

cirby:

Your 'executive experience' meme has already been so thoroughly disproven that it shows your ineptitude and lack of intelligence that you cling to it so dearly.

Third Day Mark: Sweet feathery jesus, if I had 1 free shot with a sniper rifle.

Right between his farking eyes.


You could learn a lot by listening to him speak. Rove is a REALLY bright guy. It's too bad many lefties are so consumed by hate that they have closed their minds completely.

it's already beginning to sink in...

colossal blunder.

mongbiohazard: Third Day Mark: Sweet feathery jesus, if I had 1 free shot with a sniper rifle.

Right between his farking eyes.

You could learn a lot by listening to him speak. Rove is a REALLY bright guy. It's too bad many lefties are so consumed by hate that they have closed their minds completely.

Being smart does not make up for what he has done to this country.

NeverDrunk23: You have to admit, it was an unexpected move.

They certainly achieved surprise, but as any officer (or chess player) can tell you, surprise in and of itself is worthless. It has to be follwoed up with substance. Conventional moves are conventional because they work.

Still, it does hurt their best attack on Obama with the experience thing. They were saying how compared to McCain, Obama has no experience. Well, also compared to McCain, Palin has no experience, and she has some chance of being president should McCain win.

McCain picked a VP that'll help his campaign. Obama picked one that'll help his administration. It's the difference between tactical and strategic thinking.

mongbiohazard: You could learn a lot by listening to him speak. Rove is a REALLY bright guy. It's too bad many lefties are so consumed by hate that they have closed their minds completely.

He knows how to win, but that doesn't make him any less of a disgusting slimeball. Nor does that make him anything resembling an admirable person.

Hitler and Goebbels (yeah, there's my Godwin) were also smart people who knew how to get a lot of people on their side. Is denouncing them being "consumed by hate" and "closing my mind completely"?

Tsunami Ditka: Calvin Coolidge: But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Mother 'effin THIS.

This is exactly what I was just telling my parents today when I was arguing with them about McCain's pick.

I think Sullivan put it pretty well.

Sounds exactly right.

Tsunami Ditka: Hitler and Goebbels (yeah, there's my Godwin) were also smart people who knew how to get a lot of people on their side. Is denouncing them being "consumed by hate" and "closing my mind completely"?

Yeah because they were only after the Jews.

Cinaed: culebra: Does anyone actually like this pick?
If McCain doesn't jettison her (ie., if she doesn't quit to spend more time with her family)then the GOP is on the take.
Just call them the Black Sox. Say it ain't so, Maverick John.

We like her for the naughty librarian vibe.

I'm aware. I just haven't been bringing it up because it's embarrassing. The hot cheerleader...one frail heartbeat away from the highest office in the nation. Wowzers.

"And to Americans concerned about our presence in the Iraq and such as, I say..."




Is there a transitional period in his career in which John McCain has not thought with his cock?

Wombatzu: it's already beginning to sink in...

colossal blunder.

That's why I didn't say much yesterday, I figure that this pick won't do more than steal some of the wind from Obama's sails after his rockin speech. The only thing Palin does for this ticket is force Biden to tamp down on his attacks. In the primaries, people didn't like seeing Hillary attacked even when they were right, because it seems like a guy beating up on a woman.

culebra: The hot cheerleader beauty queen

FTFM

mongbiohazard: Third Day Mark: Sweet feathery jesus, if I had 1 free shot with a sniper rifle.

Right between his farking eyes.


You could learn a lot by listening to him speak. Rove is a REALLY bright guy. It's too bad many lefties are so consumed by hate that they have closed their minds completely.

He has nothing to add to the world that I would even care in the slightest to hear.

The next sound I want to hear him make is the gurgling sound of blood flowing up from the neck, out the half-attatched piece of skull that used to be where his brain was.

There's only one thing I legitimately hate in this world, and its Karl Rove.

Richard Pye: Tsunami Ditka: Hitler and Goebbels (yeah, there's my Godwin) were also smart people who knew how to get a lot of people on their side. Is denouncing them being "consumed by hate" and "closing my mind completely"?

Yeah because they were only after the Jews.

What? Hellooooooo? Anyone home over there???

Tsunami Ditka: I'm so tired of this assertion that Palin's experience is more or at least equal to Obama's. It's so laughably idiotic and it defies all reason and logic. Just shut up already with this.

PLEASE. Just admit, cirby (as many GOPers have already done) that this jettisons the experience argument, OK? If it were that important to McCain, he would have chosen someone with unquestioned experience, and there are people like that. Instead, people claim it was "subtle brilliance" (someone wrote that last night) because it highlights Obama's relative inexperience?

Then you don't know what the word 'relative' means.

He did put country first! The country wants hot teacher MILFs.

It's what the country needs. you asshole

Sym_pathetic: Wombatzu: it's already beginning to sink in...

colossal blunder.

That's why I didn't say much yesterday, I figure that this pick won't do more than steal some of the wind from Obama's sails after his rockin speech. The only thing Palin does for this ticket is force Biden to tamp down on his attacks. In the primaries, people didn't like seeing Hillary attacked even when they were right, because it seems like a guy beating up on a woman.

Luckily, Palin will be so outclassed that they could fill Biden with Oxycodone and he'd still embarrass her. Unfortunately, this might be enough for many to play the victim card. Hell, there were feebs on Fark yesterday calling "victim" at the vetting process (which McCain's camp apparently did not pursue).

With the drugs they will have to keep McCain on just so he can keep the beast caged, this could be called Election '08: Just Say "Yo".