well, he's right.
at least he's smart enough to admit whats happening now isn't working.

It may not be right for now, but w/o it he wouldn't be where he is today.

BobtheFascist: but w/o it he wouldn't be where he is today.

Not necessarily. Also, what it used to take, it no longer takes. Which is really what the record labels are missing, and to an extent always missed. In part thanks to their lovely accounting standards and need to lose at least a certain amount of money.

WhyteRaven74: Also, what it used to take, it no longer takes. Which is really what the record labels are missing,

That's what I was getting at. The industry is differrent now. When he released PHM almost 20 years ago the industry was pretty much as it always was. Granted, the 90's were part of the catalyst for change & given a little more time he may have been able to break out on his own w/o a major label. But having the backing of one probably gave him a boost he otherwise would have had to wait years to get on his own if at all.

Who woulda thunk it.

A feel good article about Trent Reznor.


Strangely I am happy for him. It seems like he is finding his place in himself.

BOBTHEFACIST has it right. PHM came out and I saw them at the first Lollapalooza tour. Nobody was downloading anything back then, it was pre-napster. NIN made it on cd sales.

i seriously cant remember the last cd i bought. i dont even use the things anymore.

//has switched back to vinyl. much better for the soul.

And he fully acknowledges that in TFA, if you read it.

The last physical cd I bought tried to install a root kit on my computer. I buy some old used ones now and again, but mostly I'll trade with friends or pirate.

They did everything they can to drive me away from being legitimate. I still go see several shows a year.

I have no problem giving money to the performers for their products. Is it too much to ask to not have my computer ruined in the process?

Trent Reznor is the shiat.

I think Mike Patton's label Ipecac does a good job. Read an interview with him for the way his label is run. The bands on it seem happy. Although they might not get the exposure and promotion they want, they get control and much more money. It isn't perfect, but people looking for perfection and instant riches whose only talent is playing music should either

A. Accept that you are going to get screwed over on a major label unless you luck out and get big enough to renogetiate, like Aerosmith or something.

or

B. Accept creative control but realize that the flip side to that is you won't have a giant machine backing you.

a friend of mine knows Trent so I'm getting a kick out of these replies (on her behalf)

You'd think if it really was as bad as he's claiming we'd have heard something about it or at least noticed a change in his behavior.

He's been pulling this shiat since the early 90's, always trying to convince people he's tortured or suffering in his songs, but reality never backs it up.

One of the things really small labels are doing is limiting the amount of product. I'm really not sure about this. Vinyl releases are limited to only a few hundred, if they even make over 100. These things sell out ridiculously fast. Even CD's are quite limited. Then of course a few of these items escape into the collector's market. Trent Reznor imitated what has been going on for months with the super package of "Ghosts."
This collector's market gouges prices to an extreme. Formerly $10 records sell for $100+ within weeks of the release. I kid you not, there is a 10 x 12" vinyl box set selling on the Discogs marketplace for anywhere from 2,000 to 20,000 euros that was released maybe a month or two ago.
Whatever this is, it isn't right either.

Glitchwerks: One of the things really small labels are doing is limiting the amount of product. I'm really not sure about this. Vinyl releases are limited to only a few hundred, if they even make over 100. These things sell out ridiculously fast. Even CD's are quite limited.

maybe they don't have enough money to keep churning out buckets of CDs? I don't think I've ever seen a case where vinyl isn't limited as, even though people keep spouting about how vinyl sales are "strong", they appeal solely to a niche market who are small in and of themselves or collectors.


though, I do agree that intentional collector's sets (Like what Trent did with Ghosts) is obvious price-gouging, but at least he didn't pretend otherwise.

Nestea Plunge: You mean he's not an artiste like Amy Winehouse?

Not all artists make their career based on self destruction. The "tortured genius" motif works well though for creating fans. Amy Winehouse is a perfect example of someone who really has a self destruction problem, and just how uncool that really is. It works best if it only exists in interviews and not reality.

ElRonHubbardsBalls: I think Mike Patton's label Ipecac does a good job. Read an interview with him for the way his label is run. The bands on it seem happy. Although they might not get the exposure and promotion they want, they get control and much more money. It isn't perfect, but people looking for perfection and instant riches whose only talent is playing music should either

A. Accept that you are going to get screwed over on a major label unless you luck out and get big enough to renogetiate, like Aerosmith or something.

or

B. Accept creative control but realize that the flip side to that is you won't have a giant machine backing you.

all THIS. trent is doing good but 'the slip' was absolute garbage.

put out free music that DOESNT suck, then see what happens.

also, the fantomas/melvins dvd is on amazon right now for 8 bucks. hard to beat that.

FeedTheCollapse:
maybe they don't have enough money to keep churning out buckets of CDs? I don't think I've ever seen a case where vinyl isn't limited as, even though people keep spouting about how vinyl sales are "strong", they appeal solely to a niche market who are small in and of themselves or collectors.

though, I do agree that intentional collector's sets (Like what Trent did with Ghosts) is obvious price-gouging, but at least he didn't pretend otherwise.

CD's are fairly cheap to press, and some of these labels simply do CD-R's. There's no reason for the limited quantities other than to drive up demand. I can understand it, but if there's a CD I want, it's almost ridiculous to spend anywhere from $50-300 when the artist will see none of it. It's not like I can go to iTunes and buy the music either. It's simply not there. I don't like any of the online services either.

I dunno, it's just so much easier to pirate music and not give a damn about anyone but yourself, but this is killing everything. The music industry (RIAA, etc.) hasn't done anything but make people angry and not want to pay. There seems to be a whole new generation that expects music for free. I just think it's kind of sad how all this has worked out.

If I don't buy something the instant it comes out, I'll never see it again or be able to hear it, apart from stealing it.

BobtheFascist: It may not be right for now, but w/o it he wouldn't be where he is today.

Spare the world and just don't make comments. They're boring and obvious.

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I don't care. I don't care that he's not that tall.

/like an animal.
//until we both join David in rehab.

J. Frank Parnell: You'd think if it really was as bad as he's claiming we'd have heard something about it or at least noticed a change in his behavior.

He's been pulling this shiat since the early 90's, always trying to convince people he's tortured or suffering in his songs, but reality never backs it up.

What are you talking about? Did you read the article?

J. Frank Parnell: You'd think if it really was as bad as he's claiming we'd have heard something about it or at least noticed a change in his behavior.

He's been pulling this shiat since the early 90's, always trying to convince people he's tortured or suffering in his songs, but reality never backs it up.

And why the fark should he?

I don't think he owes anyone a goddamn thing in terms of explanation for his inspiration. He never claimed to be tortured or depressed. That's all based on what others (critics, assholes, virgins) gathered from his songs.

/But then, artists like him should be an open book, huh? /sarcasm

FeedTheCollapse: Glitchwerks: One of the things really small labels are doing is limiting the amount of product. I'm really not sure about this. Vinyl releases are limited to only a few hundred, if they even make over 100. These things sell out ridiculously fast. Even CD's are quite limited.

maybe they don't have enough money to keep churning out buckets of CDs? I don't think I've ever seen a case where vinyl isn't limited as, even though people keep spouting about how vinyl sales are "strong", they appeal solely to a niche market who are small in and of themselves or collectors.


though, I do agree that intentional collector's sets (Like what Trent did with Ghosts) is obvious price-gouging, but at least he didn't pretend otherwise.

I don't care - he puts the music online in dirt-cheap/free form, so those of us who don't fetishise the media get it either way, and he still gets the money from hardcore fans who want collector's items. Sounds good to me.

I'm seeing NIN next Wednesday. Cannot. Farking. Wait.

Eshman: He never claimed to be tortured or depressed. That's all based on what others (critics, assholes, virgins) gathered from his songs.

His songs normally convey him as suffering in one way or another, that's undeniable, he has clearly portrayed the image of himself as a tortured individual in his lyrics. It's not something that has to be interpreted, he constantly won't shut up about himself and his alleged suffering, especially in his early work.

Personally I think he's at his best when he's covering Joy Division or stealing concepts from Gary Numan.

Wow, a Trent Reznor thread on Fark, CRAZY!

Sarcastica75: I don't care. I don't care that he's not that tall.

/like an animal.
//until we both join David in rehab.

THIS.

/and well, i'd join David in rehab too, if you get my drift

Gratch: I'm seeing NIN next Wednesday. Cannot. Farking. Wait.

Atlanta show utterly kicked ass. You won't be let down.

J. Frank Parnell: Eshman: He never claimed to be tortured or depressed. That's all based on what others (critics, assholes, virgins) gathered from his songs.

His songs normally convey him as suffering in one way or another, that's undeniable, he has clearly portrayed the image of himself as a tortured individual in his lyrics. It's not something that has to be interpreted, he constantly won't shut up about himself and his alleged suffering, especially in his early work.

I have read many interviews of people that know him describing him as the most miserable person they have ever met. He seems better now that he is sober. He seems like he has grown up a bit.

Seeing NIN tonight in Philly. Hey now!

Eshman said: "That's all based on what others (critics, assholes, virgins) gathered from his songs."

I'll agree with that followed up with the question, people listen to the lyrics?

ravenlore: Sarcastica75: I don't care. I don't care that he's not that tall.

/like an animal.
//until we both join David in rehab.

THIS.

/and well, i'd join David in rehab too, if you get my drift

Oh, the more the merrier, if you know what I mean.

/I miss "Whose Line". :(

FreeLoveFreeway: Seeing NIN tonight in Philly. Hey now!

He's in Philly? Right now? Tonight!

/WAIT FOR ME TRENT I AM HEADING THERE TOMORROW MORNING OH MY FARKING GOD YOU WILL PROBABLY BE GONE OR SOME JUNK!!!!
//Oh hai I just turned into a 15-year-old asshat. :/

J. Frank Parnell: You'd think if it really was as bad as he's claiming we'd have heard something about it or at least noticed a change in his behavior.

He's been pulling this shiat since the early 90's, always trying to convince people he's tortured or suffering in his songs, but reality never backs it up.


The dude was shooting up cocaine.

Paula's Beautiful Bloodshot Eyes: The dude was shooting up cocaine.

He should have been happy at least some of the time then.

FTFA:

It's become a common error in articles about Reznor to report that he was a heroin user -- maybe it's his lyrics about jabbing needles -- but he hasn't asked for corrections. "That's kind of a sad conversation to have; 'I'm not a junkie, I'm a coke head'. . .

nothingyet: . NIN made it on cd sales.

Actually word of mouth and some radio play. NIN was far bigger than the CD sales numbers would indicate. At least until Downward Spiral came out.

ElRonHubbardsBalls: B. Accept creative control but realize that the flip side to that is you won't have a giant machine backing you.

Now if only it was that either or choice. It used to not be that way. At least on the creative control side. You could get a deal with a major label with a nice big creative control clause. Also relative to unit retail prices, I think they paid more back then. And they didn't mind smaller selling acts, since they made money on them too. Of course they also didn't bankroll everyone spending two months in the studio either.

vorro:
Atlanta show utterly kicked ass. You won't be let down.

I was there at the atlanta show as well and yes it did kick ass. was the second best stage show I have ever seen, right behind Pink Floyd in Frankfurt Germany

Gratch: I'm seeing NIN next Wednesday. Cannot. Farking. Wait.

saw them the other week in Atlanta; the new material (year zero/ghosts/the slip) came out well. you're in for a long set.

enjoy!

mouser_inc: vorro:
Atlanta show utterly kicked ass. You won't be let down.

I was there at the atlanta show as well and yes it did kick ass. was the second best stage show I have ever seen, right behind Pink Floyd in Frankfurt Germany

this. i ended up w/free tix to that show courtesy of budweiser from my sister's husband.

seen them 7 times now, and that was one of the best. that show as Masquerade in 1997 was pretty awesome. also, the show at the Omni in January 1995 was in-farking-credible.

My only complaint about seeing NIN (again) in Houston a few weeks ago was being hounded by PETA douche-bags on my way in to the venue.

First 5-6 songs played were the boring "band on stage" thing. The "show" aspect really picked up after that when the screens came down.

treating your customers like criminals and threatening lawsuits tends to give you poor results

also, shunning new technology instead of embracing it hurts as well

im kind of pissed all these *new* softwares and players keep converting my music OUT of the MP3 format

whats next?

oh ya, digital watermarked Music files... ya ok, fark you. Why not just put a 3 play expiration on them and rename yourself Divx?