Awesome.

Patrick Bateman approves.

Subby has already said everything that needed to be said.

\still like "In The Air Tonight"
\\still prefer Gabriel's solo stuff overall
\\\still like Pink Floyd better than any of it
\\\\still slashie after all these years!

I'm especially excited to hear that the Musical Box has moved into the post-Gabriel era. I hope that they tour the US.


Unfortunately, the link from Rolling Stone was incorrect.

Probably the most top to bottom kick-ass concert I ever saw was Peter Gabriel on his Shock The Monkey tour at Berkeley in um, '82? Of course it helped that the entire crowd was stoned and half were tripping, but still, that was one amazing, creative and totally tight piece of performance art. And I'm not even a particularly huge fan of his.

I'll buy it because I like Genesis, but I'll disagree with Subby. Both Genesis and Gabriel were better without each other.

steveo: I'll buy it because I like Genesis, but I'll disagree with Subby. Both Genesis and Gabriel were better without each other.

THIS.

Wait... what?

I have waited a lifetime to say this:

PETER GABRIEL THREAD!!1!

Emotion > Clever.

subby loses

Man, you cant bash Genesis like that. When Gabriel left the sound changed to something quite different. Collins did some good stuff with Genesis...Home by the Sea...Mama...Abacab...Me and Sarah Jane...lots of great songs. Not much substance...but great songs.

pfelon: steveo: I'll buy it because I like Genesis, but I'll disagree with Subby. Both Genesis and Gabriel were better without each other.

THIS.

Thirded.

bad subby, Collins sings a LOT on the PG era Genesis albums. that's why they ended using him instead of the bazillion singers they auditioned

kblair4: pfelon: steveo: I'll buy it because I like Genesis, but I'll disagree with Subby. Both Genesis and Gabriel were better without each other.

THIS.

Thirded.

You're all crazy. Genesis died when he left. Well, okay, one or two albums later.

steveo: I'll buy it because I like Genesis, but I'll disagree with Subby. Both Genesis and Gabriel were better without each other.

This, except for the "I'll buy it" part.

/not stealing it either
//Gabriel era Genesis is boring

Sweet! Selling England is one of the best albums ever! Second's Out may be the best live album.
Genesis was good without Gabrielle, but much better with him!

I liked the Gabriel era a lot. But the first few albums after Gabriel left are actually my favorites. Especially Trick of the Tail and the Seconds Out live set.

But everything after Duke (and some of Duke itself) has been on a steady downward slope. Releasing their concert DVD exclusively to Mall*Wart ...that's about as bad as it gets, folks.

notmtwain: Unfortunately, the link from Rolling Stone was incorrect.

the writer is an idiot, they aren't a "cover band" for Genesis. they recreate the entire show using original props and costumes that PG loaned them. it's more like a revival of a play than a tribute band
/I've seen MB in all 4 versions of their shows

Bah.

I like Gabriel, but this:



...is a very good album.

Love Genesis. I think their best work actually spans Gabriel's Departure. From Selling England and The Lamb to Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. 4 of the best albums ever recorded. (5 if you want to count Lamb as 2)

Mugato: Patrick Bateman approves.

I don't think he would, actually.


"Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite."

It's too bad about what happened to Mike Rutherford

I can't wait to hear this unreleased soundtrack. Supposedly these songs, along with a song called The Light, contains all kinds of passages that showed up in later Genesis albums in some other form.

Genesis is good,
but they are no Billy Squier.

Should've used the "OBVIOUS" tag. Obviously.

Desquamation: Mugato: Patrick Bateman approves.

I don't think he would, actually.


"Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite."

This.

And Peter Gabriel era genesis is the best genesis. Phil Collins stuff was good, but it was a completely different beast. IMHO, they should have changed their name.

broadwayLamb: Love Genesis. I think their best work actually spans Gabriel's Departure. From Selling England and The Lamb to Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. 4 of the best albums ever recorded. (5 if you want to count Lamb as 2)

Yes indeed. TOTT is a fine post Gabriel work. Saw it live and Lamb before it. Was very happily surprised.

KingKauff
Second's Out may be the best live album.

ummmm....... IMHO, Not really.
"Genesis Live" blows "Seconds Out" out of the water. It's at least 5 or 10x better.
[hell... IMHO even the all-live-tracks cd version of "three sides live" is better than "Seconds Out"]

"Seconds Out":
It has good performances of the Post-Gabriel tunes [ie. from Trick of the Tail... hell, i suppose even "The Lamb...." and maybe even "I know what i Like" are good on this one]
but the majority of the Gabriel-era tunes on this disc are no where near up to par... with the originals or even the Gabriel-era live versions, case in point, "Supper's Ready".
And the fact that Tony used later-model synths [sounding slightly cheesy] and that Hackett is way down in the mix does not help it either.
Collins is a nice/good singer... when he sings the Collins-era Genesis tunes.... however, he just doesn't have same power and character/charisma of Peter's Gabriel-era Genesis voice when he sings Gabriel-era tunes. I mean all the power to him, it took guts to replace the lead singer... and he replaced him mostly pretty well [still had a bit a theatricality to him, and had storiesd for songs as well] and granted Collins SOMETIMES sounds kinda like Gabriel, but it just isn't the same...
Yes, Collins is a good singer, has a good range, but it is rather higher than Gabriel's, and seems to be more suited to the pop-stuff that the later Genesis wandered into.
to sum up: Collins: good prog. rock singer? not so much
Good pop/rock singer? yes.

However, is still happen to think that "Trick of the Tail" is one of the very best Genesis albums of ANY era...
but after "Wind and Wuthering" they lost their prog. edge...
[to me, "and then there were three" is one of the very worst albums of the late 70's, by ANY band, hands down]

tho i still like "Abacab" and "Genesis" albums, and most of "Duke".

p.s. just a little parallel/metaphor thing:
to me, Collins singing Gabriel era songs is like Collins singing Peter Hammill's Van der Graff Generator songs...
or like Jon Anderson singing Ian Anderson's early 70's Tull songs....
it just doesn't fit that well...

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Supposedly these songs, along with a song called The Light, contains all kinds of passages that showed up in later Genesis albums in some other form.

yeah... i remember reading somewhere that "the Light" became "Lilywhite Lilith" from TLLDB.

I am quite excited for this as well....
i've been waiting for a remastered "trespass" for a long time....
along with the other albums of course.

[yes i know the rest got remastered in like 1994 but these should be even better :-) ]

oh... and the musical box band the article mentioned, Peter gabriel era is FREAKING AWESOME... i checked out some youtube vids of theirs... it's just.... wow...

oh and i checked the sitea little while ago, which had a link to the "new" phil collins era band, but then it had news that the "phil collins" guy left the band due to internal strife or disagreements or something, and they were looking for a new lead singer...
the article is right... the "phil collins" guy really DOES sound a hell of a lot like Phil... and looks pretty much like him too...

i think it's neat how the "peter gabriel" guy is from Quebec [Montreal?] and has kind of a french accent in speaking voice, but on stage he sings like Gabriel and talks like Gabriel [English accent]. gotta love those talented/dedicated/disciplined singers/impressionists. just wow.
:-D

Does anyone know if the Shepperton UK 1973 film will be among the DVD material?

/how could it not be?
//please be included

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metalmyth: And Peter Gabriel era genesis is the best genesis. Phil Collins stuff was good, but it was a completely different beast. IMHO, they should have changed their name.

I say he same thing, and about Sammy/Dave with Van Halen. 2 different beasts

broadwayLamb: Love Genesis. I think their best work actually spans Gabriel's Departure. From Selling England and The Lamb to Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. 4 of the best albums ever recorded. (5 if you want to count Lamb as 2)

if you're such a fan how do you not know that PG is on SEBTP? and LLDOB?

This is great news.

I think the "wars" between "Phil Collins Genesis" and "Peter Gabriel Genesis" can attributed to the fact that they are two totally seperate bands.

Two different and talented bands, one name.

If they would have taken a page out of the "Joy Division" book and renamed themselves after Peter's (Less tragic) departure, there would BE no argument.

As an old fart, I am partial to the "Peter Gabriel Genesis", but acknowledge the talent of the post-peter-period.

Me like stuff reel gud.

Wot Gorilla?

Headline deserves a big THIS.

I'm of the opinion that "Selling" was their last great work. Even "Lamb Lies Down" was a bit hit or miss. Prime-era Genesis FTW!

NP: Genesis - The Cinema Show

NYRBill: broadwayLamb: Love Genesis. I think their best work actually spans Gabriel's Departure. From Selling England and The Lamb to Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. 4 of the best albums ever recorded. (5 if you want to count Lamb as 2)

if you're such a fan how do you not know that PG is on SEBTP? and LLDOB?

Because "Duke" is just so dern good! It's like having your favourite Yes album be "90215".

I kinda like the Collins era (and actually I prefer him as a pop singer, not as a prog singer, by a long shot), but as a major Gabriel-era Genesis fan, I'm masturbating furiously.

TheBlackFlag: I think the "wars" between "Phil Collins Genesis" and "Peter Gabriel Genesis" can attributed to the fact that they are two totally seperate bands.



The problem I have with this argument is that I don't see a good place to cleanly draw the line between the two "separate" bands. When Gabriel left? A Trick of the Tail is certainly in the spirit of the Gabriel-era albums. When Hackett left? And Then There Were Three isn't as far in sound and song-structure from Wind as people might make it out to be.

I mean, certainly there's a huge difference between Foxtrot and We Can't Dance, but the transition is so smooth that it's hard to put a bead on where you say "they just turned from band 1 into band 2."

Patterson: Because "Duke" is just so dern good! It's like having your favourite Yes album be "90215".

good analogy ;-)

tarkus1980: I mean, certainly there's a huge difference between Foxtrot and We Can't Dance, but the transition is so smooth that it's hard to put a bead on where you say "they just turned from band 1 into band 2."

I'll give you a "THIS" for that statement. if Hackett left with PG you'd have a clean line but he didn't

broadwayLamb: Love Genesis. I think their best work actually spans Gabriel's Departure. From Selling England and The Lamb to Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. 4 of the best albums ever recorded. (5 if you want to count Lamb as 2)

NYRBill:if you're such a fan how do you not know that PG is on SEBTP? and LLDOB?

"Spans" - meaning there for the first two (leaves), not there for the last two.

NYRBill: Patterson: Because "Duke" is just so dern good! It's like having your favourite Yes album be "90215".

good analogy ;-)

Danke :)

There's nothing wrong with their post-prog material, it's just not at all prog. It's great pop, that's undeniable. It's amazing how many prog artists went on to either perform or compose pop music after 1978.

Funny little aside; the keyboardist for Gentle Giant was making video game music for awhile (soundtrack for Crysalis for example). Also, one of the members went on to discover Pantera and Bon Jovi.

These artists used their incredible music knowledge and adapted to a rapidly changing musical landscape. In other words, they cashed in and did it damn well.

barefoot in the head:
"Spans" - meaning there for the first two (leaves), not there for the last two.

ok, works for me. I prefer Foxtrot and Nursery Crime to Lamb and SEBTP but that's just MHO

NYRBill: tarkus1980: I mean, certainly there's a huge difference between Foxtrot and We Can't Dance, but the transition is so smooth that it's hard to put a bead on where you say "they just turned from band 1 into band 2."

I'll give you a "THIS" for that statement. if Hackett left with PG you'd have a clean line but he didn't

Plus, even their "pop" albums had all those long tracks with weird song structures. People tend to only focus on the hit singles with that era of Genesis, but I'd say that "Dodo" and "Duke's Travels" are as central a part of that era of the band as anything else they did.

Patterson: Funny little aside; the keyboardist for Gentle Giant was making video game music for awhile (soundtrack for Chrysalis for example). Also, one of the members went on to discover Pantera and BonJovi.

I never listened to GG but I may start. a co-worker played on their tribute album