This couldn't have anything to do with destroying the ecosystems in those areas already with nuclear testing, could it?

he probably plans on retiring to one of them to hide out and try to avoid a war crimes trial.

Only Bush knows the secret of the island from LOST.

He's just preparing for when he gets voted to Exile Island at the beginning of next season.

It's a stunt. He did the same thing with the Northwest Hawaiian Islands.

Two years ago with fanfare, President Bush declared a remote chain of Hawaiian islands the biggest, most environmentally protected area of ocean in the world.

It hasn't worked out that way.

Cleanup efforts have slowed, garbage is still piling up and Bush has cut his budget request by 80%.Link (new window)

Home of the Coconut Crab:

Cui Bono.

Cadaviar: It's a stunt. He did the same thing with the Northwest Hawaiian Islands.

Two years ago with fanfare, President Bush declared a remote chain of Hawaiian islands the biggest, most environmentally protected area of ocean in the world.

It hasn't worked out that way.

Cleanup efforts have slowed, garbage is still piling up and Bush has cut his budget request by 80%.Link (new window)

What? Bush making grand promises and then not funding them? Say it ain't so.

Great legacy.

Underwater islands need protection and scuba gear.

I guess Bush can do no right, according to most of the rabid libs. They CLAIM to be for environmental protection, but they would burn down the entire amazon if Bush said he thought it should be saved.
Then, they would blame Bush for it, claiming it was a trick to make them do it.

Approves

myspamhere: I guess Bush can do no right, according to most of the rabid libs. They CLAIM to be for environmental protection, but they would burn down the entire amazon if Bush said he thought it should be saved.
Then, they would blame Bush for it, claiming it was a trick to make them do it.

How's the weather in Failville?

Of course, if there were oil on dem dere shores, Bush would have a completely different angle on this.

/how many more days?

myspamhere: I guess Bush can do no right, according to most of the rabid libs. They CLAIM to be for environmental protection, but they would burn down the entire amazon if Bush said he thought it should be saved.
Then, they would blame Bush for it, claiming it was a trick to make them do it.

You are either blind or stupid, and perhaps both.

Sensible people are suspicious. Please point to something bush has done that has actually helped any situation, or left anything in a better state than before he took action.

myspamhere: I guess Bush can do no right, according to most of the rabid libs. They CLAIM to be for environmental protection, but they would burn down the entire amazon if Bush said he thought it should be saved.
Then, they would blame Bush for it, claiming it was a trick to make them do it.

Oh, rillllly? Poor Bush! He's just like Jesus!

Anyone who says "libs" should be crucified.

REALLY.

I suppose it will be punishment enough when the porch on your trailer collapses, killing 17 cats.

Even exotic ones like Hawaii?

jcooli09

Afghanistan and Iraq?

Swampthing in Korea: jcooli09

Afghanistan and Iraq?

Really? We toppled the Taliban then largely abandoned the country.

Certainly there was no good reason to Iraq, and any evaluation of the results will have to wait until 10 years after we leave. Even the positive things we've heard in the last 6 months have happened in spite of us not because of us.

BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHH!!!1!!

jcooli09: Certainly there was no good reason to Iraq, and any evaluation of the results will have to wait until 10 years after we leave. Even the positive things we've heard in the last 6 months have happened in spite of us not because of us.

This is the typical mindset with the rabid Bush haters. Any evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, anything bad that happens is because of Bush, and everything good is in spite of him. And this sentiment is dangerous no matter who the target is. Why would you remove any incentive for an official you disagree with to come to your side on an issue? In this situation, he is doing something you ostensibly agree with but you are still going to castigate him for doing so.

Cataholic: jcooli09: Certainly there was no good reason to Iraq, and any evaluation of the results will have to wait until 10 years after we leave. Even the positive things we've heard in the last 6 months have happened in spite of us not because of us.

This is the typical mindset with the rabid Bush haters. Any evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, anything bad that happens is because of Bush, and everything good is in spite of him. And this sentiment is dangerous no matter who the target is. Why would you remove any incentive for an official you disagree with to come to your side on an issue? In this situation, he is doing something you ostensibly agree with but you are still going to castigate him for doing so.

1/10

Cataholic:
This is the typical mindset with the rabid Bush haters. Any evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, anything bad that happens is because of Bush, and everything good is in spite of him. And this sentiment is dangerous no matter who the target is. Why would you remove any incentive for an official you disagree with to come to your side on an issue? In this situation, he is doing something you ostensibly agree with but you are still going to castigate him for doing so.

What evidence? What good? Are you talking about the fact that Saddam is gone? Yeah, that may end up being a good thing, but we won't know for a long time.

What is he doing that I ostensibly agree with? I never supported the invasion of Iraq and never supported the occupation.

/ The term rabid dramatically reduces your credibility, it smells like dittohead and koolaid.

jcooli09:

/ The term rabid dramatically reduces your credibility, it smells like dittohead and koolaid.

Oops, I meant rabid bush hater.

jcooli09

And by abandon you mean take part as a multinational force, fund, train and equip the Afghan army, faciliate mine clearance and rebuilding effots, right?

Swampthing in Korea:

And by abandon you mean take part as a multinational force, fund, train and equip the Afghan army, faciliate mine clearance and rebuilding effots, right?

No, by abandon I mean pull most of our troops out for a worthless destructive struggle in an area where there was no compelling reason for us to go.

jcooli09

From what I have read, not many units were diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. I may be wrong though.

The terrain and environment puts a greater focus on skirmishes, small-unit combat and special forces, so the US deployment is smaller but vastly more specialized than that of Iraq. So I think the situation is more complex than "American took troops from Afghanistan to IRaq". Likewise, the US was always part of a larger force in Afghanistan compared to Iraq, so a larger component was not required.

Hey Subby?

Your friend Barry Obama thinks there are 57 U.S. states!

How's THAT for stupid?

Swampthing in Korea:
From what I have read, not many units were diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. I may be wrong though.

The terrain and environment puts a greater focus on skirmishes, small-unit combat and special forces, so the US deployment is smaller but vastly more specialized than that of Iraq. So I think the situation is more complex than "American took troops from Afghanistan to IRaq". Likewise, the US was always part of a larger force in Afghanistan compared to Iraq, so a larger component was not required.

You may be right about that, I suppose what I really mean is that our primary focus and way too much of our treasury has been on Iraq where it didn't belong.

Protection of marine sanctuaries has been one of the biggest successes of the Bush administration. It is worth celebrating great accomplishments. Together with the Hawaiian Islands protected areas this might play a key role in preserving life in the oceans. I'm so happy I'm going to do a little dance!

Worst. Republican. Ever.

jcooli09

The other argument is that the struggle is not so much against Terrorism as an entity, but the base ideology.

This is the idea of Islam as a solution to the political and economic troubles of a country. If Iraq can be shown to develop a successful, participatory alternative, the appeal if Islam can be lessened.

In that context, Iraq is a far better location than Afghanistan.

jcooli09: Sensible people are suspicious. Please point to something bush has done that has actually helped any situation, or left anything in a better state than before he took action.

You mean like the failure of decades of Liberal welfare?

Swampthing in Korea:

The other argument is that the struggle is not so much against Terrorism as an entity, but the base ideology.

This is the idea of Islam as a solution to the political and economic troubles of a country. If Iraq can be shown to develop a successful, participatory alternative, the appeal if Islam can be lessened.

In that context, Iraq is a far better location than Afghanistan.

The war in Iraq does nothing to defeat terrorism. Terrorism has been around since Ugh first picked up a stick and whacked Arhg on the head. It'll be around long after AQ is gone.

I don't know that we should be projecting destructive power to try to lessen the appeal of Islam. In fact I'm sure we shouldn't. If Islam loses appeal, it won't be because we destroyed Iraq.

Afghanistan was an appropriate target because the Taliban was largely responsible for the attack on 9/11. They declared war on the US, in fact if not formally, and we responded. This was not the case in Iraq.

NYZooMan:
You mean like the failure of decades of Liberal welfare?

Bush is responsible for the failure of decades of liberal welfare?

jcooli09

Islamic terrorism today.

Much of it derives from the idea that Sharia and pure Islamic governance can solve the problems plauging the middle-east/Africa/Central-Asia.

Swampthing in Korea: jcooli09

Islamic terrorism today.

Much of it derives from the idea that Sharia and pure Islamic governance can solve the problems plauging the middle-east/Africa/Central-Asia.

So the answer is to attack random countries, including those which are not functioning Islamic governments? Sadam wasn't a great man or benevolent leader, but he was secular. We brought the possibility of Islamic rule to Iraq.

jcooli09

And if that possibility arises, it will be descredited.

Swampthing in Korea: jcooli09

And if that possibility arises, it will be descredited.

I'm not sure exactly what that means, but the possibility has already arisen. It is far more likely now than when Saddam was around.

We have no idea what the long term results will be. Maybe Iraq will become a shining example of a successful democracy and a stabilizing influence in the region.

I personally do not believe that this was the primary reason for the invasion.

Wow, this thread took a turn, didn't it?

I hope that some good comes from protecting some small islands in the ocean.

jcooli09: I'm not sure exactly what that means, but the possibility has already arisen. It is far more likely now than when Saddam was around.

I'd give 10 to 1, that if we leave there, and they decide to keep their Islamic rule that they have been trying to setup, we bomb them right back into the farking stone ages, just because.

jcooli09: Wow, this thread took a turn, didn't it?

I hope that some good comes from protecting some small islands in the ocean.

Seriously. I might be moving the the American Samoa fairly soon, and I wanted to hear what Farkers had to say on this issue. Not witness Iraq Flamewar #68440.


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Fireproof: jcooli09: Wow, this thread took a turn, didn't it?

I hope that some good comes from protecting some small islands in the ocean.

Seriously. I might be moving the the American Samoa fairly soon, and I wanted to hear what Farkers had to say on this issue. Not witness Iraq Flamewar #68440.

Looked to me like a spirited discussion, not a flamewar.

So is Bush working for Widmore or Linus?

HOLY CRAP GW IS STILL PRESIDENT! !!

One last empty gesture. Bush is still full of shiat.

mfaby: Hey Subby?

Your friend Barry Obama thinks there are 57 U.S. states!

How's THAT for stupid?

I hope for your sake my sarcasm meter is broken. otherwise..

And yet he has done nothing to rescue those stranded on Gilligan's Island. Worst. President. Ever.

If GW wants to save it, then it is only to protect his rich friends. Drill and strip mine those islands first.

What is he, a flaming tree-hugging liberal? Protecting the environment is against the word of God and Jesus. Soon, the planet will only be populated with unborn babies.