The responses in this thread will be interesting and enlightening.

crypticsatellite: The responses in this thread will be interesting and enlightening.

I'm less worried about Biden's stance on these issues (at least as it pertains to his responsiblities as vice president) and MUCH more concerned with what the rest of Congress thinks about them.

We *need* to revisit the DMCA. The law has almost nothing to do with the realities of living in an online and wireless world.

so... what? vote mccain because he's anti-RIAA, pro free internet? riiiight.

A two party state is only twice as good as a one party state.

And as vice president, anything Biden says is as good as law. right? Oh, wait, that's Cheney.

Meh this election makes me long for the choice of "none of the above"

The principles of the anti-piracy people isn't the problem. It's just that they can't get anything enforced without wildly disproportionate penalties for very small infractions.

Bukharin: A two party state is only twice as good as a one party state.

I was told there would be no math.

Weaver95: We *need* to revisit the DMCA. The law has almost nothing to do with the realities of living in an online and wireless world.

Nor does it really benefit anyone but the RIAA/MPAA. Hell, it actually hurts the very industries it protects and barely inconveniences those people who were just going to pirate the material in the first place.

Of course, expecting effective legislation out of Washington is the pinnacle of optimism, one step above checking dog turds for diamonds.

Bukharin: A two party state is only twice as good as a one party state.

I don't like those odds.

Joe knows the intertubes.

And his greatest power is a tie breaker in the Senate.

Well good thing that his contributions to public policy are highly likely to be limited to foreign policy, then.

Given that he'll be less able to influence legislation on this issue, getting him out of congress could be seen as a good thing.

FlashHarry: so... what? vote mccain because he's anti-RIAA, pro free internet? riiiight.

I think McCain is still adjusting to these 'magic boxes' he sees people speaking into all the time. And he doesn't have to mess about with the intertubes much, that's why he's got staffers.

This means a lot since Biden will not be the President, at least not for 8 years.

I'm not even going to sit here and start talking about how this means nothing.

In reality it really does piss me off.

It doesn't piss me off so much that I won't vote the ticket that I've committed to this election.

But it does piss me off. The one thing I can say "but... but... but..." for is that, while yes, Biden supports some really douchebager policies that I care about, so do the people he's running against.

And he won't be President. So it doesn't matter a whole lot.

Well, think of it this way: Obama wins, that's one less RIAA vote, cause Biden will be out of the Senate.

Either way, I fully expect it to take at least 10 years for the laws to catch up with reality. The fact is that lawmakers don't have direct experience with the digital world, and the experts they consult to educate them just happen to be guys named Sony and Microsoft.

When the next generation, the one that has had to live with this asinine bullshiat, gets in power we'll see things change.

/I want to believe

He has represented Delaware, the home state for many, many, MANY corporations (due to funky DE state laws). He represented those entitites interests.

If he does as good a job represented the interests of the majority of the country, it will be a nice change from what we have now in the VP's office.

People in this thread who failed government class:

oldebayer: And as vice president, anything Biden says is as good as law. right?

bronyaur1: Well good thing that his contributions to public policy are highly likely to be limited to foreign policy, then.

Myownepitaph: Given that he'll be less able to influence legislation on this issue, getting him out of congress could be seen as a good thing.

GAT_00 : This means a lot since Biden will not be the President, at least not for 8 years.

slobarnuts: So it doesn't matter a whole lot.

What if some crazy RIAA-sponsored legislation passes today with 10 votes? Then you could argue that Biden didn't matter. If he hadn't been there, then it would have passed with 9 votes. What if it passes with only one vote? Then, clearly Biden mattered.

When Biden is vice president, he'll still have the power to cast that tie breaking vote. So everyone saying it doesn't matter fails.

GAT_00

This means a lot since Biden will not be the President, at least not for 8 years.

In eight years, he'll be as old as McCain is now, therefore unlikely to run.


Tofu

People in this thread who failed government class:

oldebayer: And as vice president, anything Biden says is as good as law. right?

I neither failed government class nor said that Biden's opinion didn't matter. And if it gets down to him casting a tie vote on this matter, what makes you think he is going to vote his feelings, and not how Obama tells him? Not that that's a good thing.

I think this just means the next 4 years are going to be very interesting for the internet. And the economy. And Iraq. And Iran. And Russia. And oil.

The common person is pretty much screwed no matter who gets into office.

Tr0mBoNe: I think this just means the next 4 years are going to be very interesting for the internet. And the economy. And Iraq. And Iran. And Russia. And oil.

I think we're going to lose the fight on net neutrality. Both Republican and Democrats are in debt to the telcos who want to quash the concept of a free and open internet.

EZ1923: When the next generation, the one that has had to live with this asinine bullshiat, gets in power we'll see things change.

By the time the 'next generation' gets in power, it's views will also be obsolete compared to the then current technology and market.

Tofu: People in this thread who failed government class:

oldebayer: And as vice president, anything Biden says is as good as law. right?

bronyaur1: Well good thing that his contributions to public policy are highly likely to be limited to foreign policy, then.

Myownepitaph: Given that he'll be less able to influence legislation on this issue, getting him out of congress could be seen as a good thing.

GAT_00 : This means a lot since Biden will not be the President, at least not for 8 years.

slobarnuts: So it doesn't matter a whole lot.

What if some crazy RIAA-sponsored legislation passes today with 10 votes? Then you could argue that Biden didn't matter. If he hadn't been there, then it would have passed with 9 votes. What if it passes with only one vote? Then, clearly Biden mattered.

When Biden is vice president, he'll still have the power to cast that tie breaking vote. So everyone saying it doesn't matter fails.

I didn't fail politics, and even people who were VPs once have said its a worthless job.

Do you know how many times this power is used? about once a year. My god, that's the most important job in the world!

Holy fark VPs need to paid more. Presumptuous dicks need to be paid less.

TheOther: By the time the 'next generation' gets in power, it's views will also be obsolete compared to the then current technology and market.

And since we already know that now, *fingers crossed* hopefully, we'll operate under that assumption and go forward from there, as opposed to our current "legislate blindly (or not at all) and see what happens" methodology.

Myownepitaph: Given that he'll be less able to influence legislation on this issue, getting him out of congress could be seen as a good thing.

Think that will give O'Biden the 15 pt. bump McCain promised?

/Avg bump is what, 5.4?
/Ask Obama's or W's coke dealers?

Obama/Biden 08

On the bright side, it will get him out of Congress, and into a position usually not worth a warm bucket of s"p"it.

From the List of fascist bills introduced from this guy in TFA, one could conclude he is Hitler incarnate.

/a secret muslim and zombie hitler in the white house?
//we're farked.
///Old Guy and player to be named later 08?
///RON PAUL!

If anyone bases their vote on the VP nominee's position on copyright issues they're a moron.

WTF were you trying to say anyways?

Pootums: Myownepitaph: Given that he'll be less able to influence legislation on this issue, getting him out of congress could be seen as a good thing.

Think that will give O'Biden the 15 pt. bump McCain promised?

/Avg bump is what, 5.4?
/Ask Obama's or W's coke dealers?

Obama/Biden 08

Are we just greenlighting every anti-Biden headline that comes down the queue here? Shiat. It's not like Biden makes my naughty parts tingle, but give it a rest.

robsul82

Are we just greenlighting every anti-Biden headline that comes down the queue here? Shiat. It's not like Biden makes my naughty parts tingle, but give it a rest.

Wait until next week, when there will be a gazillion headlines bashing McCain's VP choice.

Ten more weeks, people. Ten more farking weeks. And then some.

The article makes Biden look pretty conservative.

WTF it seems like Biden is the worst of both parties.

Sorry, neocon-globalist-elite-shiatheads want McBush in office, therefore he'll "win".

Why vote for the lesser evil?

So what? So Biden took a firm stance on pirating? It' a violation of intellectual property rights, and though I know some denizens of the internet want it to be treated (at best) like jaywalking, I am not going to fault a Senator for actually finding intellectual property rights important.

It's not a truck.



It's a series of tubes.

I don't like those positions, but that's not why Obama chose him. His opinions are not likely to be primary, especially considering that Democrats will have a solid (+5) majority in the Senate. Not likely to be all that many ties.

Now listen, if the Right Wing picks apart every thing they think we shouldn't like about Joe Biden, when we on the left are a-okay to do the same thing about Romney or whomever else John McCain can swing into being a footnote of a footnote in history?

oldebayer: robsul82

Are we just greenlighting every anti-Biden headline that comes down the queue here? Shiat. It's not like Biden makes my naughty parts tingle, but give it a rest.

Wait until next week, when there will be a gazillion headlines bashing McCain's VP choice.

Ten more weeks, people. Ten more farking weeks. And then some.

Well, it's not like we haven't had eleventy billion Romney headlines before. If former prisoner of war John McCain picks Tim Pawlenty or somebody, THEN, yeah.

robsul82: Are we just greenlighting every anti-Biden headline that comes down the queue here? Shiat. It's not like Biden makes my naughty parts tingle, but give it a rest.

robsul is right! We need some greenlighting of articles that discuss Biden's awesomeness to counter all these negative articles. Can anyone find anything about Biden's "Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act of 2002", aka the "RAVE Act"? That was a cool act.

But does he Support our troops?

The RIAA, it's members, and similar groups are not wrong in wanting to protect their intellectual property.

Pirating is rampant, and it's against the law. Something should be done about it.

That doesn't excuse the RIAA's tactics. Two wrongs don't make a right of course, but their tactics don't make their entire stance invalid.

It's one of those situations that we seem to have a hard time comprehending, where two seemingly opposing ideas can both be true.

The RIAA can be both right and wrong.

saintstryfe: I don't like those positions, but that's not why Obama chose him.

I give him massive props for being a terrific father to his kids.

I can't see a single reason apart from that for his being Obama's pick. I'll vote Obama, and I'll acknowledge that Obama has a very hard presidency ahead of him, but I don't think Obama has started off very well. Really impressive guy. Really lousy on the issues, near as I can tell.

I hope my "netroots" friends are correct to say he's really really good and just has to act like an a dipshiat in the primary in order to get elected.

I am dancing a happy dance. Not because of TFA but because long ago I felt Biden was the only one who had a grasp of how to handle the Iraq situation, which is the epicenter of many of our domestic ills.

He may put his foot in his mouth on occasion, but who among us has not? It is more tolerable coming from him (to me) than W or anyone remotely like W. The dude knows foreign policy and God knows we have many bridges to mend and many bridges to build. The clods in charge are all thumbs. I do not disparage McCain's service to his country, but I...I...well, hell, I just like Joe better.

I don't care how he got close to the Oval Office, I'm just glad he's there. He was my pick for nominee, and I honestly call myself non-partisan. His plan for Iraq really made sense, and still could be implemented, albeit modified for 2008.

I hear he makes the right wingers nervous. I kinda like that too.

slobarnuts: I'm not even going to sit here and start talking about how this means nothing.

In reality it really does piss me off.

It doesn't piss me off so much that I won't vote the ticket that I've committed to this election.

But it does piss me off. The one thing I can say "but... but... but..." for is that, while yes, Biden supports some really douchebager policies that I care about, so do the people he's running against.

And he won't be President. So it doesn't matter a whole lot.

Yeah good thing Cheney don't have the power to do anything he wants.

wait what?

you think President McPancakes Depends will be any better?

robsul82: Are we just greenlighting every anti-Biden headline that comes down the queue here? Shiat. It's not like Biden makes my naughty parts tingle, but give it a rest.

It's getting annoying but Farkers seem to be knocking them down pretty quickly with the obvious response that things would be just as bad, if not worse, under McCain. Which makes the entire anti-Biden onslaught rather moot.

Occam's Chainsaw: Of course, expecting effective legislation out of Washington is the pinnacle of optimism, one step above checking dog turds for diamonds.

There's diamonds in dog turds? OH BOY!!! I'S GONNA BE TEH RICHNESS!!!

/what the..? Hey, there's no diamonds in these things! Stupid Internet lied to me again!

Flying Lasagna Monster: you think President McPancakes Depends will be any better?

McCain can wrap his old, distended scrotal sack around any problem, no matter how large!