Haha. How did Obama miss those when he vetted Biden? And I totally forgot that Biden was the guy who said (paraphrasing) "Barack is Mr. Clean and Articulate."

Wacky.

dougbert: Wacky.

LOL... Obama = Osama! That picture is both funny and clever and doesn't make you look like a farking idiot at all.

I once thought Bush was a good choice, live and learn.

Well, some learn anyway.

dougbert is pretty funny though, he could be a new hour long comedy show on Fox all by himself.

Biden gets as close to actually speaking his mind as is possible in American politics these days. I like the guy, I think he's a good choice.

Yawn.

So, can we rail on McCain if he picks Romney? I don't think all of their exchanges were puppy-dog tails and unicorn farts.

Oh, wait- what was I think. That's *okay*. Right, submittard?

ragekage: So, can we rail on McCain if he picks Romney? I don't think all of their exchanges were puppy-dog tails and unicorn farts.

I think I heard McCain once called Romney the c-word.

Etchy333: ragekage: So, can we rail on McCain if he picks Romney? I don't think all of their exchanges were puppy-dog tails and unicorn farts.

I think I heard McCain once called Romney the c-word.

Catholic?

This is going to be a weird convention this week.

The republicans should push this angle. It'd be brilliant for them to talk about all the talk between president and vice-president nominees. There is no way that would backfire on them.

While they're at it, they should really push the "How can Obama promise change if he brings the old white guy career politician on as VP" angle.

I'm sure both of those strategies will not make McCain look hypocritical and/or retarded.

lolz! i'm sure this is the first time a former primary foe became a veep!

/voodoo economics! lolz!

Come on, pick Mitt!

I can't wait for the San Francisco Examiner to run negative quotes by Joe Torre against the Dodgers!

Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: "The only guy on the other side who's qualified is John McCain."

Well he should have fun explaining that one.

I, for one, am clicking on no more NRO links for the next ten weeks. They are getting thousands of clicks per day just from all the headlines being posted on fark.

I dumped Daily Kos for hte same reason last week, so don't accuse me of partisanship. I'd rather see boobies, but I caught a nasty virus, also from a fark link, recently.

KaponoFor3: Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: "The only guy on the other side who's qualified is John McCain."

Well he should have fun explaining that one.

Easy.

"I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

Neeek: "I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

Except that he definitely didn't think that as little as one year ago, as this quote shows you.

KaponoFor3: Except that he definitely didn't think that as little as one year ago, as this quote shows you.

The crop of Repub candidates was so shallow this year that John McCain actually was the most qualified one, which is like saying that...actually I can't think of a good comparison to match just how bad McCain was versus any of the Democratic candidates in how qualified he is.

GaryPDX: This is going to be a weird convention this week.

You seem concerned.

KaponoFor3: Neeek: "I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

Except that he definitely didn't think that as little as one year ago, as this quote shows you.

From the AP story (on Yahoo's main page) about Biden today: ""I've been disappointed in my friend, John McCain, who gave in to the right wing of his party and yielded to the very 'Swift Boat' politics that he once so deplored," Biden said. "Folks, campaigns for presidents are a test of character and leadership."

He insinuated McCain has failed that test."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, which is likely, but I see absolutely nothing weird about thinking McCain was the most qualified of the R's back in October (really though, after McCain, no one else was qualified to pick up trash at the capital. Ron Paul). Plus he still had most of his dignity. Now it is clear, even to those of us who would have voted for him in 2000, McCain is a sellout pandering warmonger with no real knowledge of regular American life, poor American life, the economy, the internet (Yes this is a reflection of important qualities. would you respect your boss or CEO if they couldn't google?), diplomacy, or many other relevant issues. McCain is not even the McCain of January 2008. I am afraid that by the end of this campaign he may not even be respected in congress anymore.

Meh, if two people agree 100% of the time one of them isn't necessary.

oldebayer: I, for one, am clicking on no more NRO links for the next ten weeks. They are getting thousands of clicks per day just from all the headlines being posted on fark.

I dumped Daily Kos for hte same reason last week, so don't accuse me of partisanship. I'd rather see boobies, but I caught a nasty virus, also from a fark link, recently.

Exactly, vote with your mouse. Don't give inflammatory douchebags extra revenue.

GAT_00: The crop of Repub candidates was so shallow this year that John McCain actually was the most qualified one, which is like saying that...actually I can't think of a good comparison to match just how bad McCain was versus any of the Democratic candidates in how qualified he is.

Biden doesn't think that Obama is qualified

If Biden thought, at least during the primaries (so still less than a year ago), that Obama wasn't qualified and that the only person on the GOP side is qualified... isn't that a problem? Just sounds shady and the GOP will have a field day with it.

liberalish: McCain is not even the McCain of January 2008. I am afraid that by the end of this campaign he may not even be respected in congress anymore.

I understand where you are coming from, and McCain has fell out of favor with many as a result of his campaign actions (right or wrong). However, I doubt that whatever he has decided to do during his campaign wouldn't be a reflection of his term as Presidency because, let's be honest, you can't believe shiat that a politician is doing during a campaign. They are all trying to do whatever they can to get elected.

Kinda like Barack Obama -- you know, who for many many months said he wouldn't engage in the "politics of personal destruction" (at least, I think he was the one that said that). Now what kind of ads do we see out of the Obama campaign? One about McCain saying he doesn't know how many houses he owns?

Both will say and do anything to win. I try to look behind that to evaluate who would be better. Biden apparently (as early as a year ago) thought that man was McCain.

Can't wait for this strategery to backfire when McCain announces his VP.

KaponoFor3: Except that he definitely didn't think that as little as one year ago, as this quote shows you.

Here's the thing, though: Being "qualified" to be the President doesn't change the fact that McCain's *policies* are still way out of whack with what makes sense.

There are medical doctors who believe in creationism; there may be doctors who believe the Earth is flat. The fact that they have a disturbing ignorance about one aspect of science doesn't mean that they aren't qualified to treat medical patients, perform surgery, and so on.

Bush has lowered the bar for being "qualified" to be President of the United States so low that *I* could probably qualify at this point. The man attempted to give the Chancellor of Germany a back rub against her will, for Chrissakes.

KaponoFor3: If Biden thought, at least during the primaries (so still less than a year ago), that Obama wasn't qualified and that the only person on the GOP side is qualified... isn't that a problem? Just sounds shady and the GOP will have a field day with it.

It sounds almost like he was campaigning against him

you can't believe shiat that a politician is doing during a campaign. They are all trying to do whatever they can to get elected.

See ^^^

KaponoFor3: Kinda like Barack Obama -- you know, who for many many months said he wouldn't engage in the "politics of personal destruction" (at least, I think he was the one that said that). Now what kind of ads do we see out of the Obama campaign? One about McCain saying he doesn't know how many houses he owns?

Remember when McCain said he would run a clean campaign? But it isn't wrong when my guy does it! Remember, McCain went dirty first, by a long shot.

BlueDjinn: Here's the thing, though: Being "qualified" to be the President doesn't change the fact that McCain's *policies* are still way out of whack with what makes sense.

Sure, and I understand that nuance. I don't think most people who don't really follow politics will. But, on the flip side, those who don't really follow politics will probably not see that video I linked to (or even hear Biden's negative quotes), so in the end its kinda a moot point.

GAT_00: Remember when McCain said he would run a clean campaign? But it isn't wrong when my guy does it! Remember, McCain went dirty first, by a long shot.

Yes, he did. It was the only way he would have a chance IMO -- which doesn't make it right, but does make it somewhat rational assuming that all politicians care about is getting elected.

KaponoFor3: Yes, he did. It was the only way he would have a chance IMO -- which doesn't make it right, but does make it somewhat rational assuming that all politicians care about is getting elected.

They wouldn't be campaigning if they didn't care about being elected.

And, at some point, people are going to realize that they don't want to be honorable and lose.

Obama and McCain made a personal pledge to stay positive and McCain threw it out the window at the first sign of attacking Obama as a person. Obama waits and waits and then starts attacking policies and positions and is accused of going negative. At that point, what does it matter if you get accused of going negative for attacking his policies?

KaponoFor3: Yes, he did. It was the only way he would have a chance IMO

Dizzy much from all that spinning?

KaponoFor3:
I understand where you are coming from, and McCain has fell out of favor with many as a result of his campaign actions (right or wrong). However, I doubt that whatever he has decided to do during his campaign wouldn't be a reflection of his term as Presidency because, let's be honest, you can't believe shiat that a politician is doing during a campaign. They are all trying to do whatever they can to get elected.

Kinda like Barack Obama -- you know, who for many many months said he wouldn't engage in the "politics of personal destruction" (at least, I think he was the one that said that). Now what kind of ads do we see out of the Obama campaign? One about McCain saying he doesn't know how many houses he owns?

Both will say and do anything to win. I try to look behind that to evaluate who would be better. Biden apparently (as early as a year ago) thought that man was McCain.

He thought the best R was McCain, and I can't disagree (given choices/timing). And I absolutely agree that both will do/say anything to win (which is why I support Obama, I like the Obama of pre-campaign much better than the campaign version and hope that he will govern as that pre-campaign Obama). However, the fact that McCain has used the very same tactics used against him to me is not a sign of a political lesson learned, but of sliming his way to the finish. Of course Obama must respond in kind, the genie is out of the bottle and he's not going back in.

patrick767: Now what kind of ads do we see out of the Obama campaign? One about McCain saying he doesn't know how many houses he owns?


That is is not even close to negative. Come on, it's just laughable.

KaponoFor3: Neeek: "I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

Except that he definitely didn't think that as little as one year ago, as this quote shows you.

McCain, ex-POW, hadn't sold out to Rove's minions as little as one year ago, that's why. You can't penalize Obama for striking back when former prisoner of war John McCain steps on his dick with the "seven houses" gaffe.

Obama said he wanted a VP that would talk straight, disagree with him, and challenge him.

He picked Biden...

This Obama guy appears to be living up to his promises.

dougbert: Haha. How did Obama miss those when he vetted Biden? And I totally forgot that Biden was the guy who said (paraphrasing) "Barack is Mr. Clean and Articulate."

Wacky.

*sniff, sniff* Ahhh, I love the smell of neocon fear.

dougbert: Haha. How did Obama miss those when he vetted Biden? And I totally forgot that Biden was the guy who said (paraphrasing) "Barack is Mr. Clean and Articulate."

Wacky.

Yeah, Obama totally hates Biden for that. HATES.

Or he got over it didn't actually think it meant anything like the rest of the sane world.

preemptive FTFM

Neeek: "I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

This is not the senator I once knew. Being around Obama is already rubbing off.

liberalish: dougbert: Haha. How did Obama miss those when he vetted Biden? And I totally forgot that Biden was the guy who said (paraphrasing) "Barack is Mr. Clean and Articulate."

Wacky.

Yeah, Obama totally hates Biden for that. HATES.

So, can we safely assume that Mittens is out of the VP contest? Because, McCain ripped him a new one in the debates.

Or can we just expect to see a bunch of whiny trolls complaining when Obama runs an ad from the GOP debates showcasing the hatred between Romney and McCain? It was much nastier than any Obama/Biden "confrontation."

Stock up on tissues and excuses GOP! I see a whiny hissy fit coming.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Neeek: "I have no idea what happened to John McCain. The John McCain running for president today bears sadly little resemblance to the man I've known and worked with for decades in the Senate."

This is not the senator I once knew. Being around Obama is already rubbing off.

Heh. You beat me to it.

Sounds to me that Biden has highjacked the Straight Talk Express.

Maybe Biden didn't think that Obama was qualified to be President... before Obama beat Biden and the rest of the Democratic hopefulls like a bunch of red-headed stepchildren. Perhaps he has slightly changed his mind on the man's skills now that's he's finished eating his dust.

GoDawgs!: Meh, if two people agree 100% of the time one of them isn't necessary.

QFT

Wow, people's minds change, people grow.

I can see why the Right Wingers wouldn't understand. They've always kind of choked on the whole evolution thing.

Obama listens to people who criticize him! What a moral failing!

Lets not forget about this douchebag's 1988 Presidential campaign advertisement (new window).

Even in '88 he believed the White House was no place to learn on the job.

There must be some serious buttsecks between the two going on.

Color me shocked!

KaponoFor3: Both will say and do anything to win. I try to look behind that to evaluate who would be better.

THIS is why things Biden said in the primary don't matter. He was campaigning against Obama, and therefore trying to play up his own strengths.

The Martian Manhandler: Maybe Biden didn't think that Obama was qualified to be President... before Obama beat Biden and the rest of the Democratic hopefulls like a bunch of red-headed stepchildren. Perhaps he has slightly changed his mind on the man's skills now that's he's finished eating his dust.

THIS too.

KaponoFor3: Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: "The only guy on the other side who's qualified is John McCain."

Well he should have fun explaining that one.

Qualified doesn't mean best for the job. Its just the minimum standard. Technically Luke Walton was "qualified" to play on the US Olympic basketball team, but they had better options.

Bush Sr. and Reagen weren't exactly very friendly with each other during the primaries and they ended up as a good team.

If McCain's "Straight Talk Express" is a bus, Biden is a farking freight train.

The only Dem I can think that is nastier is Mike Gravel, but he seems more like a scream at the skies type firebrand.

Tabatha Static: [old, white, etc...]

Quit race-baiting.