Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

Don't underestimate Biden. He could easily help swing Pennsylvannia towards Obama.

I find it a little unsettling that the lunatic fringe who think it's unnatural, abhorrent, or 'an abomination' to have a black person ruling the country are now only a heartbeat away from 'restoring the natural order of things'

Biden about Obama: "I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'"

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

You kidding? The Republicans would've LOVED to see him pick Hillary. They have so much stuff they could've used on her.

Chariset: I find it a little unsettling that the lunatic fringe who think it's unnatural, abhorrent, or 'an abomination' to have a black person ruling the country are now only a heartbeat away from 'restoring the natural order of things'

umm...unless you know something the rest of us don't, I think Obama is going to clean McCain's clock.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

Biden is bland? Hahahahahah! The guy is one of the bigger firebrands in the Senate!

He's old and white, the perfect choice for an American leader.

judging from the reaction on the right, they are scared to death of biden. he speaks to independent or weakly partisan people 55+, and that demo will probably decide ohio.

dillenger69: He's old and white, the perfect choice for an American leader.

and male. It's the trifecta that counts.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much.

Operation Chaos failed. She's done. Give it up.

arkansas [TotalFark] Quote 2008-08-23 01:44:29 PM
Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.


Yeah, when I thikn of a candidate with no history or baggage Clinton is the first that comes to mind!!!

lolz

also, Biden bland? That is one of the most inaccurate things I've ever heard.... unless you just mean as a choice. Because he is smart, witty and a battler. He had the most memorable moments of the campaign "Rudy thinks a sentence is a noun a verb and 9/11"! Dude is not bland at all for a politician.

FTFA: Yesterday, the McCain campaign released a memo saying that Obama should receive a 15-point (!!!) bounce from his convention.

Uh, of course they did. Politics 101 - Raise expectations for the other guy, and keep pounding away at that. Obama would be really lucky to get a 15 point bounce, so when he (likely) doesn't, McCain can point to that as "evidence" that Obama is underperforming.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

He had a history in that he lied in 80s.

The same period where McCain was involved in the Keating 5.

I don't think it's going to become factor, though the McCain team MAY shoot itself in the foot and bring it up. Who knows.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

HA!

Ima10urin8: Biden about Obama: "I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'"

Biden was campaigning against Obama? YOU DON'T SAY!

P.S. - if the reports are true and McCain picked Romney, um...can the Republicans even THINK one step ahead here and realize Democrats have a plethora of "THE VP NOMINEE DOESN'T LIKE THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE!" of their own?

Weaver95: arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

Don't underestimate Biden. He could easily help swing Pennsylvannia towards Obama.

Obama's been winning Pennsylvania on his own...?

Weaver95: arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

Don't underestimate Biden. He could easily help swing Pennsylvannia towards Obama.

Pennsylvania was going to vote for Obama anyway. Anyone who thought Pennsylvania was in play for McCain was fooling themselves.

Your kidding me right subby?...As a republican I can tell you the candidates we really didn't wanna see were Richardson and Jim Webb.
Gonna be hard to argue your the candidate of change with Joe Biden on your ticket.

Biden doesn't just help in PA though, he is popular through the rust belt region, where obama has had some struggles. He is also really popular (even MORE popular than Hillary) with old democrats, w hich will help with Florida and such.

B..b..but McCain's Stepford Spokeschick was just on the teevee saying what a horrible choice Biden is!

Republicans were nervous about Tim Kaine helping to hand over Virginia. Both Biden and Hillary are a republicans wet dream

A_Shogun_named_Rick Quote 2008-08-23 03:01:47 PM
Your kidding me right subby?...As a republican I can tell you the candidates we really didn't wanna see were Richardson and Jim Webb.
Gonna be hard to argue your the candidate of change with Joe Biden on your ticket.


Jim Webb I can see, but you are an idiot if you were more afraid of Richardson than Biden. He has NOTHING that Biden doesn't have in a larger amount, and his downsides are worse (he is a horrible debater and even more of a gaffe machine than Biden).

His hispanic appeal is overrated.

Ima10urin8: Biden about Obama: "I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'"

Biden will be doing the training so it's okay, just like Cheney trained Dubya.

So is this the unofficial rally thread?

"He picked who?"

A_Shogun_named_Rick: Your kidding me right subby?...As a republican I can tell you the candidates we really didn't wanna see were Richardson and Jim Webb.
Gonna be hard to argue your the candidate of change with Joe Biden on your ticket.

Sigh..I meant "you are"..please dont poke me with the spelling Nazi comfey cushions

Things I don't like about Biden: He's in bed with the banking and credit card industries (helped spearhead the bankruptcy "reform" legislation a couple of years ago); he's a senator when I would have rather seen a pick with executive experience (two senators - is this a ticket, or a debating society?); he's too vanilla to extend the Obama "new kind of politics" brand. Also, he looks exactly like my Uncle Dick, who is very aptly named.

Things I like about Biden: He's a devoted family man; he's relatively middle-class for a senator; he takes Amtrack to and from work. He's a serious pitbull, who has chunks of guys like McCain in his stool. He's not bland. He helps a lot with the Appalachian demographic, which is Obama's big weakness.

On balance, I think he's probably okay. I just wish he didn't look so much like my Uncle Dick. Dude gives me the creeps.

DamnYankees: So is this the unofficial rally thread?

I'd say so.

Once again, if anyone knows where John McCain is, please tell him I found his house keys.

Bill Frist: Biden doesn't just help in PA though, he is popular through the rust belt region, where obama has had some struggles. He is also really popular (even MORE popular than Hillary) with old democrats, w hich will help with Florida and such.

for some reason I read that as 'rust onion belt'. Maybe because we're talking about mccain?

A_Shogun_named_Rick: Jim Webb.

Thats who I wanted.

/sigh

Zoq-Fot-Pik: Weaver95: arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

Don't underestimate Biden. He could easily help swing Pennsylvannia towards Obama.

Pennsylvania was going to vote for Obama anyway. Anyone who thought Pennsylvania was in play for McCain was fooling themselves.

McCain was going to carry the midstate. Not that the midstate really MATTERS in the overall picture, but there you go.

Bill Frist: A_Shogun_named_Rick Quote 2008-08-23 03:01:47 PM
Your kidding me right subby?...As a republican I can tell you the candidates we really didn't wanna see were Richardson and Jim Webb.
Gonna be hard to argue your the candidate of change with Joe Biden on your ticket.


Jim Webb I can see, but you are an idiot if you were more afraid of Richardson than Biden. He has NOTHING that Biden doesn't have in a larger amount, and his downsides are worse (he is a horrible debater and even more of a gaffe machine than Biden).

His hispanic appeal is overrated.

Well...I may struggle through life being an idiot..but I DO believe it's a big mistake to underestimate ANY ethnic minority's appeal in todays media and political environment.

Party Boy: A_Shogun_named_Rick: Jim Webb.

Thats who I wanted.

/sigh

I thought Webb would be a good choice, too. But he'd also make a good Sec'y of Defense.

Well...I may struggle through life being an idiot..but I DO believe it's a big mistake to underestimate ANY ethnic minority's appeal in todays media and political environment.


I'm not questionging the influence of HISPANICS in the election, I'm questioning Richardson's influence amongst hispanics. I don't think Richardson would give nearly the polling bump Biden will.

Especially when you consider that Richardson is a "traitor judas" in the eyes of Clintonites, while Biden is well liked by them.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

The same party that has made an industry out of demonizing Hillary and Bill for years is then suddenly "concerned" about Obama and feels sorry for her during the primaries. She riles up the base more than just about any Democrat, you can bet they wanted to go against her.

Maynard G. Muskievote: Sec'y of Defense.

possibly. in the meantime, i'm going to have another cheesecake

/just when I managed to lose 5 pounds from my butt

Actually, the Republicans will tear Obama/Biden apart. Two huge liberals together.. HAH!

Obama/Hillary would most definitely win, but not Biden.

Ima10urin8: Biden about Obama: "I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'"

And then Obama cleaned his clock, and Hillary's, in the primary.

You were saying?

Cause he can call a Spade a Spade. That's the single worst thing that can happen in Reality(tm).

Anything that pisses off these idiotic Hillary supporters makes me happy. They seem to be characteristically outraged by Obama's pick, so I think it is good.

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

I actually laughed out loud when I read that.

The one conservative I speak with was happy with the decision

arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

I'd bet Clinton was the one they wanted most if they want to win. Clinton is a goddamn punching bag.

Well, Biden is certainly lookin' spry.

robsul82: "Once again, if anyone knows where John McCain is, please tell him I found his house keys."

/Snork
//Snarky, but brilliant!

moothemagiccow: arkansas: Uh, no I think that would be Hillary pretty much. Biden is bland and has a history.

I'd bet Clinton was the one they wanted most if they want to win. Clinton is a goddamn punching bag.

Yep. For them, that would've been the next best thing to getting Clinton at the top of the ticket. Plus, the GOP would've brought out every negative thing that she has ever said about Obama. And run it over and over and over. We think Biden's statement about Obama in the debate is bad - that's nothing compared to the ammo of the same flavor that the GOP would have with Hillary in the VP slot.

Hilarious how the rainbow of Fark Independents^TM have been so sure that Hillary is unbeatable, after she got beaten. Good Lord.

Obama and Biden do look good together.

As an Irish-American blowhard, I'm getting a kick out of this VP choice.

/Srsly considering voting democrat for the first time since 1996.
//No, I've never voted for a republican. Except once in a local race.

"Sitting at the kitchen table after you put the kids to bed, worrying about your economic situation...John McCain doesn't worry about that. After all, he doesn't know which of his seven kitchen tables to sit at."

ZING, Mr. Biden, sir!

robsul82: "Sitting at the kitchen table after you put the kids to bed, worrying about your economic situation...John McCain doesn't worry about that. After all, he doesn't know which of his seven kitchen tables to sit at."

ZING, Mr. Biden, sir!

Haha, yeah. I think Senator Biden wins the thread.

Bill Frist: Well...I may struggle through life being an idiot..but I DO believe it's a big mistake to underestimate ANY ethnic minority's appeal in todays media and political environment.


I'm not questionging the influence of HISPANICS in the election, I'm questioning Richardson's influence amongst hispanics. I don't think Richardson would give nearly the polling bump Biden will.

Especially when you consider that Richardson is a "traitor judas" in the eyes of Clintonites, while Biden is well liked by them.

Who exactly is Biden going to get a bump from to give to BO, Bill? The HUGE and underrated population of Delaware? The slightly upper middle class whites who see themselves as vulnerable to economic change? My hunch is BO has all the support now he is ever going to get from those segments even without Biden.
And my hunch is you may be seeing a few campaign quotes from Biden about Obama in Republican Ads.