fark independents™?

I don't see how a word association is the same thing as deciding who to vote for. If you gave me a word association with McCain, I might say something positive about him, but I'm not voting for him.

I'm writing in Wile E Coyote out of spite.

Yes, if subconsciously I have always been uncomfortable in rooms where whites were a minority, if I subconsciously mocked or discarded the poor and disadvantaged, if I subconsciously always went for what would best benefit myself rather than considering the outcome for others, I think I may have already made up my mind.

/just finished eating pancakes.

Very interesting & novel way to look at things, but "unconsciously made up their minds" is a different thing than "unconsciously made a choice which is set in stone".

The two campaigns are working hard to tell compelling stories to define their own candidate, to define the opposition. These unconscious choices may be changing soon. It could be interesting & worthwhile to track this...

PENIS LOVE.. errr I.

NAKED MIDGETS COPULATING WITH NAKED FAT WOMAN.

woah.

Where'd that come from.

they have underlying opinions about the candidates that don't amount to a conscious choice. NO. shiat.

Hero vs. Zero.

/who will YOU pick?
//if it's obama, you're a bedwetting idiot

Who are these people? How difficult is it to decide? Are they really paying that little attention to the world around them?

Wow, I heard about this on NPR Science Friday but I didn't realize how badly the standards are slipping.

A week after administering the test, nine previously undecided subjects said they now favored the base, 10 said they had decided against it and 14 remained undecided. Participants' responses on the week-earlier computerized test and an accompanying opinion survey were about 70 percent accurate in predicting their decisions, researchers said.

Okay, so we have 19 decisions, 14 still undecided. Of that 19, they predicted 70%, rather than the default 50%. Small sample size, and I think underwhelming predictive power.

Give me 500 samples, and we'll see how your predictive power goes. If we were dealing with supposedly uniform widgets, 44 would be more than I'd need as a sample size to give you a confident result. But these are humans.

/Wouldn't cut it in the psych or sociology department
//To methodologically rigorous

Yes, if subconsciously I have always been uncomfortable in rooms where whites were a minority, if I subconsciously mocked or discarded the poor and disadvantaged, if I subconsciously always went for what would best benefit myself rather than considering the outcome for others, I think I may have already made up my mind.

/just finished eating pancakes.

Too bad you didn't choke on them.

shiatheads are simple? What a shock.

Subconsciously, I am NOT a Georgian.

Subconsciously, I hate it when strangers say "my friend" in order to persuade me.

Subconsciously, I hate people who think a pair of loafers can be worth $500.

Subconsciously, I hate hearing the same war story 500 times.

Yeah, this thing may be accurate.

Did they have a control group of people who HAD made up their minds? Otherwise the study is kind of worthless.

Gordon Bennett: Who are these people? How difficult is it to decide? Are they really paying that little attention to the world around them?

The irony is that someone who is aware of his world around him isn't aware that some people don't care about politics. At all.

Tr0mBoNe: Gordon Bennett: Who are these people? How difficult is it to decide? Are they really paying that little attention to the world around them?

The irony is that someone who is aware of his world around him isn't aware that some people don't care about politics. At all.

After the last 8 years. . . why?

I am on FARK. I am an Independent. Does that make me a "FARK Independent"?

captain_napalm: Hero vs. Zero.

/who will YOU pick?
//if it's obama, you're a bedwetting idiot

Republicans are the bedwetters. They're scared to death of terrorists (and Muslims in general: Yes, there's a difference, neocons), gays, atheists...the list goes on.

MBA Whore: I am on FARK. I am an Independent. Does that make me a "FARK Independent"?

If you claim to be an independent, yet constantly vote Republican...you're a FARK Independent.

Old. Change.

People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

MBA Whore: I am on FARK. I am an Independent. Does that make me a "FARK Independent"?

No it makes you wishy washy.

coco ebert: People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

This conversation is confusing me. I was under the impression that an "independent" meant a registered voter who is NOT registered under any party affiliation. Nothing more, nothing less.

coco ebert: People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

I guess I'm definitely independent then
A) no farking idea who I'm going to vote for
B) overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress
C) Rate my congressmen and senators about a D+

I think I'm voting Bob Barr, even though I have no farking clue what his specific platform is. I just don't agree with Obama or McCain and I have some sick hope that if enough people vote 3rd party they'll get some attention.

I guess I'm a Ron Paul republican (though I didn't know it until a few weeks ago when I read his book) except that he's pro-life. I guess he was an OBGYN so being pro-life is kinda excusable.

DamnYankees: I don't see how a word association is the same thing as deciding who to vote for. If you gave me a word association with McCain, I might say something positive about him, but I'm not voting for him.

French fries
ketchup
tomato
killer
knife
mac
pc
constable hoppit
rabbit
run
flee
retreat
obama
troll

jso2897: coco ebert: People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

This conversation is confusing me. I was under the impression that an "independent" meant a registered voter who is NOT registered under any party affiliation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nah. See, people registered independent are not allowed to vote in ANY primaries. So if you want to vote in SOMETHING, you gotta pick one of the big two and either vote for the best or sandbag and vote for the worst kinda thing.

An independent is simply someone who doesn't agree with either of the democrats or the republicans.

Most of us seem to be strict constitutional constructionists (that is, the federal government should have ONLY the powers listed in the constitution and that if we want to expand those powers we should change the constitution through the provided amendment process). But there are some others. Socialist party, Green Party, etc etc who also call themselves "independents"

DreamWeaver: jso2897: coco ebert:
Nah. See, people registered independent are not allowed to vote in ANY primaries. So if you want to vote in SOMETHING, you gotta pick one of the big two and either vote for the best or sandbag and vote for the worst kinda thing.

Are you sure about that? I thought some states had open primaries where anyone can go in and vote.

In the case of McCain, I'm going to have to go with "inexperienced warmonger".

Because the thing about experience is, you have to learn from it in order for it to truly qualify as "experience". If you keep repeating the same fark ups over and over, how does this make you "experienced" at anything but farking up?

MBA Whore: I am on FARK. I am an Independent. Does that make me a "FARK Independent"?

no, it makes you an MBAWhore.

coco ebert: People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

This person knows things. I also know those things.

In order to root out independents in a poll, for the past 40 years, all you have to do is ASK AGAIN and the person being polled will admit what their party affiliation is.

Polls are far more fun than people realize. Ask again. That's all it takes, and independents almost disappear.

coco ebert: People like to call themselves independents because it is considered an admirable political affiliation for Americans but true independents are rare. Just like how people are overwhelmingly unhappy with Congress but most people rate their own congressmen and senators positively.

I like to think of myself as non-partisan but when I consider my stances on things, I am a liberal. Independent-minded people don't like to admit that.

Same here. I'm an Independent, but McCain is wasting his time trying to court me (not that he'd bother, since I'm in New York). I really was much more moderate at 18 and chose Independent because that's honestly how I felt at the time. That's no longer the case, and I've voted Democrat probably 90% of the time.

I don't try to pretend that I'm a true independent if people ask though. I'll tell them that I'm registered Independent but vote on the liberal side most of the time.

Sadly, because of Fark, for the rest of my life I will associate the word "Pancakes" with McCain.

coco ebert: DreamWeaver: jso2897: coco ebert:
Nah. See, people registered independent are not allowed to vote in ANY primaries. So if you want to vote in SOMETHING, you gotta pick one of the big two and either vote for the best or sandbag and vote for the worst kinda thing.

Are you sure about that? I thought some states had open primaries where anyone can go in and vote.

yeah. plenty do

Gordon Bennett: Who are these people? How difficult is it to decide? Are they really paying that little attention to the world around them?

To be perfectly honest when I registered I checked undecided even though I made my mind up who I am going to vote for. The canidates seem to loose focus on a state if everyone goes, OK I am voting for [insert name].

/wouldn't want them to ASSume they have a vote locked up
//usually the only time you see a politician remotely "caring" about the people

There shouldn't be any "undecided" in this election.

Not after a frickin' year and a half.

Party Boy: fark independents™?

I prefer the term Indifferent Farker™

Especially since I won't be voting for either of these douchebags

xbattlewax: Party Boy: fark independents™?

I prefer the term Indifferent Farker™

Especially since I won't be voting for either of these douchebags

You're missing the point.