Dumbass tag is for subby, I guess.

If McCain wins by a razor-thin margin, then it would not be wrong to blame racists. Of course, in the case of a razor-thin McCain victory, we could just as easily blame the Cheesecake Brigade.

Well I do find long brown turgid penises intimidating.

Interesting line of thinking.

Vote for Obama is you believe in healing the lethal racial divide that is rupturing the USA!

If you don't, you are a dirty racist who hates black people.

Well, I am racist, but he is Mulatto, so only half of me would not vote for him.

Meh, Bush and Nixon both got reelected. Compared to whatever got those two incredible failures back into office racism is quaint.

Yes, keep trolling the bottom of this pool of shiat fark. Greenlights on the dumbest shiat possible, all for your viewing public.

Lionel Mandrake: Dumbass tag is for subby, I guess.

If McCain wins by a razor-thin margin, then it would not be wrong to blame racists. Of course, in the case of a razor-thin McCain victory, we could just as easily blame the Cheesecake Brigade.

Actually, I plan on blaming the Cheesecake Brigade no matter what happens.

Lionel Mandrake
If McCain wins by a razor-thin margin, then it would not be wrong to blame racists.

Which racists? The ones that voted against him because he was black? Or the ones that voted for him for that same reason?

Racism is only going to be an issue to the idiots who want it to be an issue.

I think we can all agree that as long as a woman isn't on either ticket we'll be ok.

Wraithbane: Racism is only going to be an issue to the idiots who want it to be an issue.

You mean the idiots in the poll who openly admit that they would not vote for a black guy? Those idiots?

OK.

eqtworld: While that is not true, there will be a significant number of people who will refuse to vote for him because he is black

There will also be a significant portion of people who do vote for him because of that.

He is so clean and articulate!

Lionel Mandrake
You mean the idiots in the poll who openly admit that they would not vote for a black guy? Those idiots?

No, I mean the idiots in the polls who openly admitted that they would vote for Obama simply because he was black. Some will vote for him for that reason, some will vote against. And only the idiots will be making an issue of it either way.

Headline points out what we've known on Fark for months: reading comprehension is not a requirement for submitting articles.

Grasping at straws.

Trying to shame a few fence sitters into voting for him.

Sign of desperation.

Sammy Jenkins: Remember all those interviews with voters from West Virginia? Fark yeah, racism will cost Obama votes. If you believe otherwise, you're a farking moron.

Johnny Telvor was not happy about Barack Obama becoming the Democratic presidential nominee. Not happy at all.

Standing outside the sturdy courthouse in the sweltering heat of a West Virginia afternoon in the small town of Williamson, Telvor smoked a cigarette and bluntly gave his opinion of Obama's historic mission to be America's first black president.

'We'll end up slaves. We'll be made slaves just like they was once slaves,' he said. Telvor, a white Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in West Virginia's primary, said he planned to vote for Republican John McCain in November. 'At least he's an American,' he added with a disarmingly friendly smile.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/08/barackobama.hillaryclinton

Douglas Wilder must be kicking himself for not thinking of that when he was governor of Virginia.

States' Rights!!!

Willful ignorance is a much, much bigger issue than racism.

He also receives a lot of votes for being black. He'd have gone nowhere in the primaries with white skin.

generaltimmy: eqtworld: While that is not true, there will be a significant number of people who will refuse to vote for him because he is black

There will also be a significant portion of people who do vote for him because of that.

He is so clean and articulate!

So why hasn't Alan Keyes gotten more votes all of the times that he's run?

From TFA:

2008 is a year that favors the generic Democratic candidate over the generic Republican one.

Really? The first viable African American presidential candidate is generic?

bigforearms: He also receives a lot of votes for being black. He'd have gone nowhere in the primaries with white skin.


PROUD

bigforearms: He also receives a lot of votes for being black.

I keep hearing people say this. Any data to back that up? Specifically, any data to suggest that it has been a net plus?

I may or may not be true, I've just never heard anything beyond pure conjecture.

It is going to be very hard for Obama to make his case as a healing, post-racial candidate if his major supporters (and Slate is a major site) start claiming racism if you don't vote for him.

Charges like that will quickly alienate middle-of-the-road voters.

No, I'm not going to vote for Obama. I have very substantive problems with his major policy platforms which I have covered extensively in other threads. No, I'm not thrilled with McCain. That being said, to call me racist because I don't vote for Obama is not only asisine, but destructive.

Have we come to the point in politics where simple disagreement results in name-calling? Some people are going to make that leap from the article.

Yes, I read the article. He indicates that at least 12 percent of people in Pennsylvania won't vote for him because he is black. Weisburg didn't address how many will vote for him simply because he is black. The numbers probably wash.

I state again: to pre-emptively bring the charge of racism is detrimental to the Obama campaign. He should either public or privately admonish his supports not to make that charge.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: So why hasn't Alan Keyes gotten more votes all of the times that he's run?

Being insane negates the benefits of being clean and articulate.

TFA - Racism may tip the scales in favor of McCain.

Subby on TFA - McCain voters are racist.

Do ya get the distinction? Good job, though. Really.

Lionel Mandrake: Ace Frehley's Ghost: So why hasn't Alan Keyes gotten more votes all of the times that he's run?

Being insane negates the benefits of being clean and articulate.

So it's because he's black AND because he's clean and articulate... sure there aren't any other reasons we're leaving out here?

One can catch from cries of racism
A terminal case of palm meets faceism

Part of me is against Obama because I don't think America deserves any better than McCain.

Lionel Mandrake: bigforearms: He also receives a lot of votes for being black.

I keep hearing people say this. Any data to back that up? Specifically, any data to suggest that it has been a net plus?

I may or may not be true, I've just never heard anything beyond pure conjecture.

Blacks tend to give 90% support to the Democrat anyway, so in the general election, the net result will probably be minor. However, if you want data, I would compare the black distribution of votes among primary democrat elections versus this year, where Obama was getting 90% of the black vote in the primary. In the prior primaries, I sincerely doubt any single candidate in a (same race) contested primary election got that percentage of the black vote.

I blame Jesusland...

Ace Frehley's Ghost: So why hasn't Alan Keyes gotten more votes all of the times that he's run?

Obama won his Senate election against Keyes by 70% to 27%. Kerry had a smaller margin of victory over Bush in Illinois (2,891,989 to 2,346,608). Could it be that Obama rose to national prominence because even Bush voters thought Keyes was too crazy?

eqtworld: While that is not true, there will be a significant number of people who will refuse to vote for him because he is black

And a surprisingly larger number than we would anticipate, if my experience has been indicative of the nation as a whole. I'm in NW Iowa and while I was in my campaign booth at the county fair I met with an astounding number of people who said they'd never vote for a black man. I wouldn't expect that here. Maybe I'm naive. Of course, this is a very conservative/republican part of the midwest, so I suppose that may have something to do with it. But truly, I was amazed.

Damba: Blacks tend to give 90% support to the Democrat anyway, so in the general election, the net result will probably be minor. However, if you want data, I would compare the black distribution of votes among primary democrat elections versus this year, where Obama was getting 90% of the black vote in the primary. In the prior primaries, I sincerely doubt any single candidate in a (same race) contested primary election got that percentage of the black vote.

Yeah, it helped him win the primaries (although, remember: Clinton was polling ahead of Obama among blacks before Bill opened his big mouth), but people are claiming that being black is a benefit even in the general election.

No one ever backs the claim up with data, but people keep saying it...

I've actually met Alan Keyes (kick, replies, etc). He totally represented nothing I believed in. In Illinois we ironically (or is that mistakenly) referred to him as a carpetbagger. Obama would not have won if former Governor Jim Edgar had ran against him, but he didn't. Instead Judy Barr Topenka screwed the Illinois Republicans out of the one chance to capture a seat in the Senate.

The people of Illinois rejected Alan Keys (and the Illinois Republicans) based on the fact he was from Baltimore, not because of race.

The people who are quoted as being hung up on race are those that are quoted because they state such claim. The old 'contrary point of view' in the media issue (someone should write a book about that).

Listen, if I started claiming that Barack was acting half successful and attractive, possibly Nubian, to garner more successful and more attractive Nubian voters, then that would be Racist. The latter, for some reason, isn't considered racist, if Obama starts acting Honkey. Alan Keyes tried really hard to be Bill Cosby, because that is what he thought he could sell himself as to America. Obama is trying to be Abraham Lincoln, JFK, and maybe Maurice Gibb all at the same time.

Brown Sauce: Well I do find long brown turgid penises intimidating.

C'mon Dude...everyone knows if Obama had a big wang he would have a white wife. I keed I keed

Damba: No, I'm not going to vote for Obama. I have very substantive problems with his major policy platforms which I have covered extensively in other threads. No, I'm not thrilled with McCain. That being said, to call me racist because I don't vote for Obama is not only asisine, but destructive.

Nope, you're not racist. Sounds like you've thought out why you're going to vote for McCain. Sounds cool to me.

/Voting for Obama myself.

I don't think i have room for anymore labels on my jacket, let me check.

Independent, Fark Independent, Troll, Concern Troll,
Vet, Nagger lover, Bush lovin fag, Commie, Disabled,
Democrat, Republican, Invader, Whitey, Defendent,
Peace keeper.

Guess I can fit one more. Sadly it won't be the last.

HighOnCraic: Ace Frehley's Ghost: So why hasn't Alan Keyes gotten more votes all of the times that he's run?

Obama won his Senate election against Keyes by 70% to 27%. Kerry had a smaller margin of victory over Bush in Illinois (2,891,989 to 2,346,608). Could it be that Obama rose to national prominence because even Bush voters thought Keyes was too crazy?

But now I keep hearing that people will be voting for Obama "just because he's black." If we keep adding other reasons to vote for someone or not to, isn't that going to water down the "because he's black" argument?

Blacks tend to vote Democratic anyway so his race is not that helpful there. A black Republican candidate would be a much better test of that theory.

In the recent past, voting Republican meant that you were either rich or a dumbass. Now, you're either rich, a dumbass or a racist. Or a combination of the three, of course.

Picking sleezy Joe Biden didn't really help the case for Obama ... someone that identifies Dunkin' Donuts and 7/11 with Indian Americans.

/hope his hairplugs hold up
//establishment VP pick lolz

Lil Wayne or Bill Cosby....

Who would black people vote for.

A_Shogun_named_Rick: Brown Sauce: Well I do find long brown turgid penises intimidating.

C'mon Dude...everyone knows if Obama had a big wang he would have a white wife. I keed I keed

I don't care if he's purple, I won't vote for a neoMarxist.

/smirk

Ace Frehley's Ghost: If we keep adding other reasons to vote for someone or not to, isn't that going to water down the "because he's black" argument?

It would great if the current debate had more substance to it, and the various parties could discuss policy issues and stuff.

Fark it, McCain is old, and Obama will enslave white people.
/I plan on investing in redheads.

HighOnCraic:
/I plan on investing in redheads.

PICS OR GTFO

Lionel Mandrake: we could just as easily blame the Cheesecake Brigade.


Thinking about that demographic, how would that be different?

/yeah, I went there
//flame on
///doesn't really support either, but would take Obama's foreign policy and McCain's domestic policy if he could.

HighOnCraic: It would great if the current debate had more substance to it, and the various parties could discuss policy issues and stuff.

Fark it, McCain is old, and Obama will enslave white people.
/I plan on investing in redheads.

The fact that McCain is old isn't troubling in and of itself, so much as that he seems to be exhibiting symptoms of senile dementia.