Founding Father is not the preferred nomenclature, Dude. Founding Persons, please.

The slurs flew back and forth, with John Quincy Adams being labeled a pimp, and Andrew Jackson's wife getting called a slut.

"Oh no they di'int!!"

The idea of a clean presidential election is a Utopian fantasy.

These are crazy folks who had the deep-rooted will to stand up for what's right. They rarely exist today. And yes, they can come from strange places, but at least they fought for you.

Oh noes! Jefferson is an atheist! He's not getting my vote.

do a barrel roll, guys. seriously.

Wayfarer's Freedom: but at least they fought for you.

My New Theory:

Karl Rove is not a mortal man of flesh and blood. He transcends space and time, and has been a constant presence throughout American history. Perhaps he is a curse placed upon the US by vengeful Native Americans after a raid from colonists. Perhaps he exists in a dimension that we can't comprehend and has become displaced. I doubt it is possible for us to understand what he truly is. We can only see the results of his actions.

He feeds off animosity, bitterness, disgust and requires the amount only a political campaign can bring. It sustains him, and every four years or so, the hunger takes over and he wreaks havoc once again. He has become a plague of our democracy, working his machinations from behind the scenes for over two centuries.

WhyteRaven74:

Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

sarcastrophe: WhyteRaven74:

Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

that is the roosevelt that didn't incarcerate thousands of japanese you know...

/oh snap!

ace in your face: sarcastrophe: WhyteRaven74:

Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

that is the roosevelt that didn't incarcerate thousands of japanese you know...

/oh snap!

Japanese aren't people. . .

/seriously, have you seen most anime?
//Not really serious, FDR was a ruthless bastard. Still deserves to be on currency.

sarcastrophe: WhyteRaven74:

Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

Eh, both Roosevelts were progressives in their own time.

slobarnuts: Eh, both Roosevelts were progressives in their own time.

Yeah, but I don't biatch about Teddy every time I see my paycheck.

RemyDuron: ace in your face: sarcastrophe: WhyteRaven74:

Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

that is the roosevelt that didn't incarcerate thousands of japanese you know...

/oh snap!

Japanese aren't people. . .

/seriously, have you seen most anime?
//Not really serious, FDR was a ruthless bastard. Still deserves to be on currency.

ok well then on a personal note, he authorized the manhattan project which kicked everyone in Hanford Wa off their land and out of thier homes (which they found out about in the newspapers before the government even contacted them)and gave them crappy prices or no payment at all. Including my family. And its not like we can get that tainted land back. So yeah I will agree he did some good but between screwing over American Japanese (in Washington in the 30s that meant a lot of farmers) and a lot of other americans (the other side of my family suffered from not having the goods the Japanese farmers provided to sell and lost their store) he certainly doesn't deserve the automatic hero tag everyone wants to give him all the time. In addition- why is it that we don't mention he tried to create a dynasty for himself by continuing to run for office continually to the point where we had to create an actual law that you could not be president that many times when previously other presidents had just respected that as a tradition? I mean come on...

/ok but really anime does suck...

ace in your face: ok well then on a personal note, he authorized the manhattan project which kicked everyone in Hanford Wa off their land and out of thier homes (which they found out about in the newspapers before the government even contacted them)and gave them crappy prices or no payment at all. Including my family. And its not like we can get that tainted land back. So yeah I will agree he did some good but between screwing over American Japanese (in Washington in the 30s that meant a lot of farmers) and a lot of other americans (the other side of my family suffered from not having the goods the Japanese farmers provided to sell and lost their store) he certainly doesn't deserve the automatic hero tag everyone wants to give him all the time. In addition- why is it that we don't mention he tried to create a dynasty for himself by continuing to run for office continually to the point where we had to create an actual law that you could not be president that many times when previously other presidents had just respected that as a tradition? I mean come on...

Eh, I don't think the Manhattan Project was a bad thing. IMO we need something like that every decade.

RemyDuron: Eh, I don't think the Manhattan Project was a bad thing. IMO we need something like that every decade.

Huh. Well, that's certainly an opinion.

Relatively Obscure: Huh. Well, that's certainly an opinion.

You're retarded.... nuclear weapons don't cause nearly enough damage. Obviously, we need something more powerful.... like a Death Star.

Relatively Obscure: RemyDuron: Eh, I don't think the Manhattan Project was a bad thing. IMO we need something like that every decade.

Huh. Well, that's certainly an opinion.

A concentration of the greatest scientific minds which greatly advance mankinds scientific knowledge? Yeah. . . I think we need that often. The Manhattan Project lead to a great jump in the understanding of nuclear energy. It lead to a swift end to what could have been an even bloodier war. Nuclear weapons were a given, everyone was working on one, the Manhattan Project just got them sooner.

Honestly, I can't see nuclear weapons as anything but a boon for society so far. They kept the US and USSR from going at each other for 40 years. That war would have made WW2 look minor, but M.A.D. kept it from happening.

sarcastrophe: Relatively Obscure: Huh. Well, that's certainly an opinion.

You're retarded.... nuclear weapons don't cause nearly enough damage. Obviously, we need something more powerful.... like a Death Star.

If it meant developing the kind of technologies it would take to construct a structure of that size in space, and generate and focus that kind of energy? Hell yeah, i could go for that. That's teh thing, all that nasty "military" research leads to TONS of civilian applications. The same with NASA research.

RemyDuron: A concentration of the greatest scientific minds which greatly advance mankinds scientific knowledge?

See, you could have just said THAT, instead of the very open-to-interpretation statement you DID make.

RemyDuron: If it meant developing the kind of technologies it would take to construct a structure of that size in space, and generate and focus that kind of energy? Hell yeah, i could go for that. That's teh thing, all that nasty "military" research leads to TONS of civilian applications. The same with NASA research

Yeah... until Darth Cheney gets to be in charge.

Relatively Obscure: See, you could have just said THAT, instead of the very open-to-interpretation statement you DID make.

To be fair... we might not have the Internet today if it weren't for the DoD.

sarcastrophe: Relatively Obscure: See, you could have just said THAT, instead of the very open-to-interpretation statement you DID make.

To be fair... we might not have the Internet today if it weren't for the DoD.

Lots of awesome stuff came from military research, no doubt.

Relatively Obscure: Lots of awesome stuff came from military research, no doubt.

Yes, but we rarely give Tang it's proper dues..... what gives?

sarcastrophe: Relatively Obscure: Lots of awesome stuff came from military research, no doubt.

Yes, but we rarely give Tang it's proper dues..... what gives?

I dunno. I think the ONLY reason that stuff was ever consumed was because it was effectively Space Orange Juice. Therefore, if you thought it sucked, you had to be wrong because it had to do with farkin' SPACE.

Relatively Obscure: I dunno. I think the ONLY reason that stuff was ever consumed was because it was effectively Space Orange Juice. Therefore, if you thought it sucked, you had to be wrong because it had to do with farkin' SPACE.

Why do you hate America???

sarcastrophe: Relatively Obscure: I dunno. I think the ONLY reason that stuff was ever consumed was because it was effectively Space Orange Juice. Therefore, if you thought it sucked, you had to be wrong because it had to do with farkin' SPACE.

Why do you hate America???

Nonsense! If the US space program can sell Tang, what can't they do?

I'm a ... ...so, I'm getting a big kick out of some of these....

shivashakti: I'm a ... ...so, I'm getting a big kick out of some of these....

Is this a madlib?

I'm a Founding Father so, I'm getting a big kick out of some of these half-breed Indian squaws.

RTFA: Meh, that's not news. Politics has always been a harsh game, at least we're not still poisoning each other and dueling. (Eh Pootie Poot?) The Newspapers were essentially the propoganda arm for each candidate and well, not a whole heckovalot has changed since then either.

Regarding the interesting conversation ongoing....

Just to clear things up.. M.A.D. was not simply the fact that both sides had weapons, it was that we both agreed to only protect one city from attack. That was the assured distruction - not so sure if it'll work in this day and age because with the USSR gone, I don't think that treaty exists anymore. I happen to agree that The Manhatten Project was a good thing, but seriously, the way the government went about securing the land for it was BS. (But again considering the age and the time, not surprising, it was still very much a strong eat the weak scociety at that time).

Teddy was quite anti-semetic, so he wasn't exactly progressive where the Joos were concerned. Don't let his recognition of Isreal fool you.

/Amistad was a good movie, didn't realy John Quincy was the attorney tho - will have to rewatch now.

Aarontology:
He feeds off animosity, bitterness, disgust and requires the amount only a political campaign can bring. It sustains him, and every four years or so, the hunger takes over and he wreaks havoc once again. He has become a plague of our democracy, working his machinations from behind the scenes for over two centuries.

Or he's just so good at his job that he's become a paragon of politics and attained the immortality of the concept itself?

//Then, we actually know his name now, so I guess he's not that good at it.

sarcastrophe: Are you sure that's the Roosevelt you meant to post?

Yes it is.

Relatively Obscure: sarcastrophe: Relatively Obscure: Lots of awesome stuff came from military research, no doubt.

Yes, but we rarely give Tang it's proper dues..... what gives?

I dunno. I think the ONLY reason that stuff was ever consumed was because it was effectively Space Orange Juice. Therefore, if you thought it sucked, you had to be wrong because it had to do with farkin' SPACE.

I found it covers up the taste of iodine better than anything else I've tried

sarcastrophe:
Relatively Obscure: See, you could have just said THAT, instead of the very open-to-interpretation statement you DID make.

To be fair... we might not have the Internet today if it weren't for the DoD.

Good lord, that's hard to imagine.

ace in your face: In addition- why is it that we don't mention he tried to create a dynasty for himself by continuing to run for office continually to the point where we had to create an actual law that you could not be president that many times when previously other presidents had just respected that as a tradition? I mean come on...

/ok but really anime does suck...

It's for the best that FDR did keep running and winning, and that the 2 terms/10 years law was passed... I mean, really... if it hadn't been, we could've had Nixon, or Reagan, or Clinton, or Dubya trying for third terms. And I think the country would've been stupid enough to keep re-electing each of 'em

And yes, Anime does suck.

Dirty Libertine!!!

I'm taking this one back... 4 TEH PEEPLE!!!

Philbb: The idea of a clean presidential election is a Utopian fantasy.

No shiat. If any of you Farkers are interested in the Founding Fathers, I recommend the book Affairs of Honor: National Politics in the New Republic by Joanne B. Freeman, a very interesting account of the shenanigans the Fathers pulled on each other and why they pulled them.

Politics is brutal, and practiced by corrupt bastards. No, you can't have a representative republic, but you do get to choose which bastard gets to sign the bills, and you get to choose which bastards write the bills.

ChaoticLimbs: No, you can't have a representative republic, but you do get to choose which bastard gets to sign the bills, and you get to choose which bastards write the bills.

And what precisely in hell do you think the term "representative republic" means?

Relatively Obscure: RemyDuron: A concentration of the greatest scientific minds which greatly advance mankinds scientific knowledge?

See, you could have just said THAT, instead of the very open-to-interpretation statement you DID make.

That's what i think of when I think "Manhattan Project." I seriously do no understand why anyone would think of that project as negative unless they are an anti-nuclear freak (no nuclear power, no nuclear weapons, no MRIs! type). I have no problem with science advancing weapons, I think nuclear weapons have not harmed the world to the degree alarmist say, and I would gladly trade advances in more destructive weapons for advances in physics.

Frankly, I think people who whine about us nuking Japan don't understand war. We had been bombing civilians for years at that point, but just because it was a different, impressive new bomb, it was bad? It ended the war with less of our guys dead, and I'm sorry, but in a real war (not an "occupation" or a "police action") that's how you have to think. We weren't trying to win the hearts and minds of the Japanese, we were trying to make them surrender. And, while I don't believe it made the Japanese surrender by itself, it gave the Emperor a convenient excuse to save his honor.

Aarontology: My New Theory:

Karl Rove is not a mortal man of flesh and blood. He transcends space and time, and has been a constant presence throughout American history. Perhaps he is a curse placed upon the US by vengeful Native Americans after a raid from colonists. Perhaps he exists in a dimension that we can't comprehend and has become displaced. I doubt it is possible for us to understand what he truly is. We can only see the results of his actions.

He feeds off animosity, bitterness, disgust and requires the amount only a political campaign can bring. It sustains him, and every four years or so, the hunger takes over and he wreaks havoc once again. He has become a plague of our democracy, working his machinations from behind the scenes for over two centuries.

Hmm....kids, see what too much Star Trek does to your brain? "Just say no -- to Shatner."

RemyDuron: That's what i think of when I think "Manhattan Project." I seriously do no understand why anyone would think of that project as negative unless they are an anti-nuclear freak (no nuclear power, no nuclear weapons, no MRIs! type). I have no problem with science advancing weapons, I think nuclear weapons have not harmed the world to the degree alarmist say, and I would gladly trade advances in more destructive weapons for advances in physics.

Frankly, I think people who whine about us nuking Japan don't understand war. We had been bombing civilians for years at that point, but just because it was a different, impressive new bomb, it was bad? It ended the war with less of our guys dead, and I'm sorry, but in a real war (not an "occupation" or a "police action") that's how you have to think. We weren't trying to win the hearts and minds of the Japanese, we were trying to make them surrender. And, while I don't believe it made the Japanese surrender by itself, it gave the Emperor a convenient excuse to save his honor.

Why are you arguing, at length, a point I never said anything about? I have made no mention of the war at all.