so... having an original sound is bad, but ripping off the Beatles and doing it badly is good?

Got it.

/not really a fan of either.

"Lost the plot with their sequencing" implies that they haven't been doing this since OK Computer.

/Who?
//why is the article in a huge, bold font?
///NME is a cumrag.

Guitar rock is dead. Long live lite Jazz.

This is punk, 2008

I don't get this part.

Um, yeah. I'll take Radiohead and Muse over Oasis and Hold Steady.

Hold Steady actually criticized Radiohead for "trying too hard not to be Radiohead" ... with a straight face? Hey farkhead, do you even read your own interviews?

"There are some bands that do five records that all sound similar," says guitarist Tad Kubler. "We've tried to avoid that."
-Rolling Stone

So if it's your band changing its sound, that's ok. But if it's a band that sells five thousand times as many records as you it's a sin?

Jealous much?

Why can't bands today would do something interesting like throw up all over an airport instead of being all biatchy like a bunch of high school girls?

I literally just got done reading an article in Details (of all places) on this band. The writer had his nose jammed so far up the band's ass, I am surprised he didn't suffocate. I've heard a couple of tunes and for the life of me, cannot figure out what the big deal is.

SilentStrider: so... having an original sound is bad, but ripping off the Beatles and doing it badly is good?

Got it.

/not really a fan of either.

Radiohead isn't really that original. They just scooped up a huge influence from artists in the IDM genre and ran with it. This is just one guy from another band saying he doesn't like Radiohead, and here it is on Fark in a ready made flammable package.

If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

darch: I literally just got done reading an article in Details (of all places) on this band. The writer had his nose jammed so far up the band's ass, I am surprised he didn't suffocate. I've heard a couple of tunes and for the life of me, cannot figure out what the big deal is.

While not the biggest Hold Steady fan, I have seen them a couple of times in the vocalist's hometown of Northampton, MA. Their value is as a party band; they are a blast live, especially after a few beers. That being said, outside of their performance value they really are nothing special.

Glitchwerks: If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Yeah, but Radiohead was around long before those guys. I think I bought my first CD of theirs in like 1992 or something.

/creep
//loser

Wow. A lesser-known (though well-reviewed) band ragging on a really successful band in order to get some press? I've never seen -that- tactic before!

How's that working for you? And what will your next brilliant an innovative publicity step be? Get Harry Potter to give you another plug to increase your listener base? Fantastic!


/sorry, a bit pissy this morning
//loves me some Radiohead

Confabulat: Glitchwerks: If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Yeah, but Radiohead was around long before those guys. I think I bought my first CD of theirs in like 1992 or something.

They didn't start aping Autechre until 2000ish, though.

Confabulat: Glitchwerks: If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Yeah, but Radiohead was around long before those guys. I think I bought my first CD of theirs in like 1992 or something.

/creep
//loser

Incorrect. Both Aphex and Autechre have been around since before Radiohead. Even if Radiohead was actually around before them, they were still "rock." Just sayin'. When "Kid A" came out, a lot of the IDM set were pissed off and saying "Radiohead" ripped off the genre and were getting praised for it.

The Hold Steady are co-headlining a tour with Drive-By Truckers this fall, but I think I"m going to skip it. I'm not sure I can spend four hours of my life sharing space with THS's hipster douchebag fans. They actually have a name for themselves: The United Scene. Fark off you posers

remember when there ANY good rock bands in the world? i barely do.

From TFA:

The guitarist also criticised the band's experimental musical approach.

"I think they've lost the plot," he said. "What are they doing? Where are they going? What's happening? I don't get it any more. They lost me.
====================================================
Radiohead's experimenting? Those BASTARDS! Everyone knows that all the best music comes from doing the exact same thing everyone else is doing, forever. Think of how awesome music would be now if no one had ever experimented with music. We'd all be downloading mp3s of cavemen grunting and pounding on skulls with a femur.

One of the things I love about getting older is that I can appreciate the music I love without really giving a shiat one way or the other about stuff I don't care for or anyone elses opinion of what I enjoy listening to.

Getting upset about what other people listen to is pretty farking retarded if you think about it.

Lipspinach: One of the things I love about getting older is that I can appreciate the music I love without really giving a shiat one way or the other about stuff I don't care for or anyone elses opinion of what I enjoy listening to.

Getting upset about what other people listen to is pretty farking retarded if you think about it.

Not if it ends up being the only choice in the marketplace.

the guy sounds like a clown but he loves Oasis so...

Marla Singer's Laundry: Lipspinach: One of the things I love about getting older is that I can appreciate the music I love without really giving a shiat one way or the other about stuff I don't care for or anyone elses opinion of what I enjoy listening to.

Getting upset about what other people listen to is pretty farking retarded if you think about it.

Not if it ends up being the only choice in the marketplace.

Oh please. Only choice? You do know that there are whole stores/websites devoted to providing you with 1000's of choices.

/not baiting you, been loving you from a distance for awhile

He hammers Radiohead, but blows the Gallagher brothers?

Proves he's an ass. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Submitter:Indie band Hold Steady... This is punk, 2008

Smells like fail.

Not quite sure about the whole "Radiohead ripping off IDM" thing. Yeah, Everything In Its Right Place, Kid A (the song), 15 Steps and Idioteque were definitely IDM/Warp Records/et al., influenced, but I would say they're way more in-debt to Can.

darch: He hammers Radiohead, but blows the Gallagher brothers?

Proves he's an ass. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Yeah no shiat. I'm a huge Radiohead fan, and I can appreciate Oasis,
but WTF?

Guitars > Synths.

Radiohead >>>>> Oasis.

This is punk, 2008

Not even close, Subby.

And by making that statement he ensures that Hold Steady appears in hundreds of news aggregators next to Radiohead and Oasis.

there's gonna come a time when the scene'll seem less sunny
it'll probably get druggy and the kids'll seem to skinny
there's gonna come a time when shes gonna have to go
with whoevers gonna get her the highest
there's gonna come a time when the true scene leaders
forget where they differ and get big picture
cause the kids at their shows, they'll have kids of their own
the sing-a-long songs'll be our scriptures

Fark the Hold Steady. Overrated hipster douschebags. You look like an accountant and sing like you're auditioning for Rent! Awesome! I should totally care about your opinion on music!

Glitchwerks: SilentStrider: so... having an original sound is bad, but ripping off the Beatles and doing it badly is good?

Got it.

/not really a fan of either.

Radiohead isn't really that original. They just scooped up a huge influence from artists in the IDM genre and ran with it. This is just one guy from another band saying he doesn't like Radiohead, and here it is on Fark in a ready made flammable package.

If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

this.

Glitchwerks: Confabulat: Glitchwerks: If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Yeah, but Radiohead was around long before those guys. I think I bought my first CD of theirs in like 1992 or something.

/creep
//loser

Incorrect. Both Aphex and Autechre have been around since before Radiohead. Even if Radiohead was actually around before them, they were still "rock." Just sayin'. When "Kid A" came out, a lot of the IDM set were pissed off and saying "Radiohead" ripped off the genre and were getting praised for it.

seriously. aphex has been doing his bit for quite a while now.

When I saw Radiohead at All Points West, I heard several people biatching about Underworld being on before Radiohead, and how Underworld isn't even "actual" music. Radiohead fans really do suck.

Unfortunately, I missed Underworld in favor of Girl Talk at another stage, but I do regret not bringing a pillow and sleeping bag to get me through Radiohead.

GibbyTheMole: From TFA:

The guitarist also criticised the band's experimental musical approach.

"I think they've lost the plot," he said. "What are they doing? Where are they going? What's happening? I don't get it any more. They lost me.

It annoys me when American musicians use British slang when they're talking to the UK media. What's next? Calling Radiohead wankers?
You're from Minnesota, you frozen coont.

/Agrees with his point, however.
//Radiohead does suck.
///Radiohead told me to 'fark off', so I did.

I like Radiohead.

I really like The Hold Steady.

So their guitarist has goofy opinions about music.

/Shrugs, goes off to listen to some more hold steady.

The Hold Steady > Radiohead >>>>>>>Oasis

I've heard of the The Hold Steady, but never listened to them. I have now, and they're like every other indie New York Band. Here's the song writing formula for those who care.

1. Pick one chord
2. Play it at choppy upbeat tempo until you reach the chorus.
3. Entire band stops for a beat.
4. Play a new chord loudly for chorus
5. Repeat steps 2-4.

Just learn two chords and you to can be on the cusp of the New York Music Scene.

This is punk 2008?!

This is punk 2008?!

No, it isn't.

Hold Steady isn't punk. They're not near punk. They're not sort of punk. They're nothing like punk.

This guy is not very intelligent, is he? Or does he somehow actually believe his simplistic read on things matters to other people?

In Rainbows is the best Radiohead album since OK Computer.

Hold Steady isn't punk. They're not near punk. They're not sort of punk. They're nothing like punk.

Punk is dead.

Radiohead fans really do suck.

Affirmative.

Radiohead's fans sure are whiny.

ConnieLingus: adiohead fans really do suck.

Affirmative.



I agree.

I like Radiohead, but goddamn do their fans come off as ignorant. I've actually seen people try to say, earlier in this thread even, that Aphex Twin and Radiohead come from the same mentality. Look, no harm in having influences, but don't even try to make it sound like Kid A and Selected Ambient Works came out around the same time.

loves Radiohead, hates the fans.

This is punk, 2008


no, no it is not

FeedTheCollapse: Not quite sure about the whole "Radiohead ripping off IDM" thing. Yeah, Everything In Its Right Place, Kid A (the song), 15 Steps and Idioteque were definitely IDM/Warp Records/et al., influenced, but I would say they're way more in-debt to Can.

Hey you... you're losing, you're losing, you're losing, you're losing your vitamin C.

/loves Can

Flan: Radiohead's fans sure are whiny.

And smug, but the band is great.

Dafatone: This is punk 2008?!
No, it isn't.
Hold Steady isn't punk. They're not near punk. They're not sort of punk. They're nothing like punk.

i see you've hitched on to the point of the statement. well played.

I love all three of those bands.

/ Saw Radiohead last week.
// Seeing The Hold Steady Friday night.
///Can't wait.

FeedTheCollapse:
I like Radiohead, but goddamn do their fans come off as ignorant. I've actually seen people try to say, earlier in this thread even, that Aphex Twin and Radiohead come from the same mentality. Look, no harm in having influences, but don't even try to make it sound like Kid A and Selected Ambient Works came out around the same time.

loves Radiohead, hates the fans.

That's nice, I hope you weren't referring to my earlier post, which was this:

Glitchwerks:
Radiohead isn't really that original. They just scooped up a huge influence from artists in the IDM genre and ran with it.

If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Nobody said they came from the same mentality, although someone did mention they were indebted to Can (which is probably true.)

You can ask Thom Yorke himself, the band owes a lot to the whole IDM scene. Yorke's got pretty good taste, he's into dubstep now and artists like Burial.

So I really got to ask, where are these Radiohead fans you hate? I just don't see them here. I do see you being a bit of an arse and not reading very clearly, which makes you the ignorant one.

Glitchwerks: Nobody said they came from the same mentality, although someone did mention they were indebted to Can (which is probably true.

the mentality part was from a previous thread. The Can statement was me.



my hatred stems from posts like these:

Confabulat: Glitchwerks: If Radiohead gets people to listen to Aphex, Autechre, Gridlock, Kettel, etc. then more power to them.

Yeah, but Radiohead was around long before those guys. I think I bought my first CD of theirs in like 1992 or something.



granted, that one was pretty innocuous. Point still stands: "Radiohead was around before Aphex Twin!" A, they weren't. B, Pablo Honey had fark all to do with any electronic music and no one was really making that point. Again, I like Radiohead, but I almost equate admitting to like them to admitting to being completely ignorant.


That and I'm not quite sure how an otherwise completely average disc like Hail to the Thief managed to get consistent 9/10 reviews. don't even get me started on The Eraser...