I saw those guys with the dude from the Cult singing. It wasn't my greatest concert experience.

To be fair, without the actual musical experience of those two, Jim Morrison's words would have probably just turned off the same people who got into The Doors.

I agree with the above post that the new incarnation lacks any real quality, but these guys earned the right to use the name, as they were fundamental to the success of the band.

It looks like Jim Morrison will be in soul possession of Aldous Huxley's idea.

I wonder why Densmore gives a shiat about it?
I thought he turned into a dancer / producer / actor /novelist or some such thing?

BoneStorm: To be fair, without the actual musical experience of those two, Jim Morrison's words would have probably just turned off the same people who got into The Doors.

I agree with the above post that the new incarnation lacks any real quality, but these guys earned the right to use the name, as they were fundamental to the success of the band.

Not to mention they wrote or co-wrote most of the Doors classics.Morrison would've sounded like a drunken fratboy reciting bad poetry without them.
Jim Morrison=most overrated musician ever.

John Densmore has this fixation on not whoring out the Door's name, He is also the reason why there is, to this day, no commercials with Doors music.


And I respect the fark out of him for that. Regardless of what you think of the band, it's refreshing that there is still rock classics out there that aren't ruined everytime I turn on the TV

El Freakk: Jim Morrison=most overrated musician ever

His voice was perfect for the often melodramatic lyrics and his front-man persona pulled in the crowds. I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

El Freak: BoneStorm: To be fair, without the actual musical experience of those two, Jim Morrison's words would have probably just turned off the same people who got into The Doors.

I agree with the above post that the new incarnation lacks any real quality, but these guys earned the right to use the name, as they were fundamental to the success of the band.

Not to mention they wrote or co-wrote most of the Doors classics.Morrison would've sounded like a drunken fratboy reciting bad poetry without them.
Jim Morrison=most overrated musician ever.

Lean closer to the monitor so I can stab you in the face.

Why would they name their band after a HammerFall song?

Sgygus: I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

Yeah, I suppose that's debatable, but the mythology behind him is is pretty unwarranted. It's like claiming that Kurt Cobain is the artist of the nineties; if Kurt was still alive that wouldn't be a majority opinion. If Morrison had lived he wouldn't be as hallowed.

I can see why people say that The Doors aren't the most technically gifted band of all time, but Jim Morrison is the quintessential frontman. And the above comment from HappyHarryHardOn is right on point, you gotta love a band that could have easily quadrupled their fortune but refused to sell out.

Musically, Morrison was the weakest link. Robby, John, and Ray are all incredibly talented musicians and that is undeniable. However, Jim Morrison was the magic of the band and without him or a front man as charismatic, the band would have failed.

I loke Morisson's voice, but for me, his lyrics were on the level of bad high school poetry. Goes fine with a song, but ridiculous on a spoken level.

For me, Manzarek WAS "The Doors". I get my trips on the keyboard riffs and solos. I really can't fathom why he should not be allowed to tour as "The doors".

Sgygus: El Freakk: Jim Morrison=most overrated musician ever

His voice was perfect for the often melodramatic lyrics and his front-man persona pulled in the crowds. I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

Hey, I loved Morrison as a younger person (I obsessively listened
to THE END and re-read the lyrics many, many times), but even I
have to agree that he is in no way worthy of the mythology that
has arisen around him. This reached idiotic proportions with the
Oliver Stone biography film: Val Kilmer did a creditable enough
job playing him, but he was portrayed as nothing short of the 2nd
coming of Jesus Christ and that really grated on my nerves (and
lets not even get into all the anachronistic messages that Stone
sledgehammered into the movie as well).

He was just talented enough as a writer & poet to shock middle
america, but his repetitive use of overtly freudian imagry was
the mark of someone who desperately wanted to be shocking in an
adolescent way, kind of like what Steve O from JACKASS would be if
he got a literature degree (or could read above the kindergarden
level).

Morrison's whole persona arose as a reaction to his conservative
upbringing (his father was a Navy Admiral), and he never really
got the idea that subtley is a better means of subversion.

But, I think the reason for his endurance as an artist is the
simple fact that even this long after the fact, his core desire
for an expanded perception of reality (and the implied
redefinition thereof) is something that we as a species are still
striving for. I wonder what Morrison would have made of the
computer revolution?

Probably a bong, now that I think on it.....

Skullduggery: Musically, Morrison was the weakest link. Robby, John, and Ray are all incredibly talented musicians and that is undeniable. However, Jim Morrison was the magic of the band and without him or a front man as charismatic, the band would have failed.

Especially all that time Morrison spent with his back to the audience. That is charisma!

/I keed, I like the Doors
//Even if Morrison is overrated as both singer and lyricist.

HappyHarryHardOn: John Densmore has this fixation on not whoring out the Door's name, He is also the reason why there is, to this day, no commercials with Doors music.


And I respect the fark out of him for that. Regardless of what you think of the band, it's refreshing that there is still rock classics out there that aren't ruined everytime I turn on the TV

He did appear as "John Densmore of the original Doors" on Square Pegs.

I like the doors, but I have to agree that the music is what really made the doors great. Without his band Jim wouldn't have had nearly the impact on the scene as he did. The band created the perfect sonic background for him to drunkenly stumble across, and it worked, it worked really well.

If they want to have the title of the doors, I think they should, not that my opinion matters much

padraig: I loke Morisson's voice, but for me, his lyrics were on the level of bad high school poetry. Goes fine with a song, but ridiculous on a spoken level.

For me, Manzarek WAS "The Doors". I get my trips on the keyboard riffs and solos. I really can't fathom why he should not be allowed to tour as "The doors".

THIS. Jim Morrison had an awesome voice but the lyrics ... meh. I also saw the "new" Doors with Ian Astbury and was hugely disappointed because Astbury was so obviously trying to be the second coming of Morrison. If he'd just SUNG without all the posturing it would have been a decent show because he does sound remarkably like Morrison.

I had always thought that the Doors...err..the Doors of the 21st century...err..Riders on the Storm...should have had celebrity vocalists. Kinda like how Santana did a few years back. Densmore had said that he would have rejoined if Eddie Vedder was the frontman. That...would have been the shiat. Or maybe Scott Weiland, Lenny Kravitz, etc. A mess of people doing the Doors in their voice, rather than trying to be Jim.

Down here in FL, they were giving "2 4 1" on the Doors tix, and I wouldnt even go when it was 1/2 price

//doors fan since 81

The Doors were a band! It's too bad Ray & Robbie couldn't achieve the same degree of success without Jim Morrison than they had with him. They both have tried other projects since Morrison died but none of their attempts ever reached the level they did with Morrison so it's kinda sad to think they have decided to just re hash the old stuff. Just not the same chemistry without Morrison! They deserve to be able to use the name however, even if they can't live up to it without Morrison. Seems like they're afraid no one will come out to a show unless they call themselves "The Doors"

This is one of the more lame band name fights. You know how I know?

Well, last night. Jim FARKIN' Morrison told me - that's who.

HappyHarryHardOn: John Densmore has this fixation on not whoring out the Door's name, He is also the reason why there is, to this day, no commercials with Doors music.


Peace Frog was in the movie the Waterboy and also on the 2004 X-Games commercial

Why don't they just call themselves the "Dhores"?

Sgygus: I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

ok, in your opinion who is more overrated?
/I can't think of anyone...

The Monkees > The Doors

NYRBill: Sgygus: I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

ok, in your opinion who is more overrated?
/I can't think of anyone...

Bob Dylan.

There, I've said it.

azmoviez: It's like claiming that Kurt Cobain is the artist of the nineties; if Kurt was still alive that wouldn't be a majority opinion.

I don't know man ... with one video, the face of Rock N' Roll changed for good. A lot of people would probably still credit Smells Like Teen Spirit for sounding the death knell for crappy hair rock as the mainstream's choice. I know they weren't the first band with their sound out there, but they blew the door open and let the 90s come through.

padraig: Bob Dylan.
There, I've said it.

I meant as a "frontman" for a band
/love Dylan songs
//when others perform them ;-)

WaltzingMathilda: A lot of people would probably still credit Smells Like Teen Spirit for sounding the death knell for crappy hair rock as the mainstream's choice.

I have always heard GnR given credit for that
/either way it was a good thing

I was never that much into the Doors, but their bass player freakin' rocks!

NYRBill: I meant as a "frontman" for a band
/love Dylan songs
//when others perform them ;-)

The answer is always, and still, Bob Dylan.

This time, as a member of the "Traveling Willburys".

NYRBill: WaltzingMathilda: A lot of people would probably still credit Smells Like Teen Spirit for sounding the death knell for crappy hair rock as the mainstream's choice.

I have always heard GnR given credit for that
/either way it was a good thing

Yeah, maybe, but they were an 80s band, and by no means changed the face of rock n' roll. They just took 80s hair rock and did really good things with it for 2 or 3 records (depending on who's doing the review) ... I think the sound that Nirvana helped usher in even destroyed the popularity of the Guns ... Spaghetti Incident didn't help.

padraig: NYRBill: Sgygus: I can understand that a lot of people don't like his posturing, but "most overrated ever"? I don't think so.

ok, in your opinion who is more overrated?
/I can't think of anyone...

Bob Dylan.

There, I've said it.

Booooooooo.

WaltzingMathilda: I don't know man ... with one video, the face of Rock N' Roll changed for good. A lot of people would probably still credit Smells Like Teen Spirit for sounding the death knell for crappy hair rock as the mainstream's choice. I know they weren't the first band with their sound out there, but they blew the door open and let the 90s come through.

I remember the first time I heard "Smells like teen spirit" on the radio. I was 15 at the time. I thought "wow, this is what ROCK MUSIC is supposed to sound like". It was so raw, so powerful...

Only song that made me feel like since then is "Seven Nations Army".

WaltzingMathilda: Booooooooo.

Yeah, well, that's, as far as my ears can guess, the lyrics to "Tambourine man", "Like a rolling stone" and "Wigwam"

padraig: I remember the first time I heard "Smells like teen spirit" on the radio. I was 15 at the time. I thought "wow, this is what ROCK MUSIC is supposed to sound like". It was so raw, so powerful...

a friend of mine played that album for a bunch of us before they were big and I remember thing "SLTS" was the worst song on the album

I remember thinking, damn

WaltzingMathilda: Yeah, maybe, but they were an 80s band, and by no means changed the face of rock n' roll.

how can you say that? Appetite came out in '87 and wasn't big right away

Skullduggery: Musically, Morrison was the weakest link. Robby, John, and Ray are all incredibly talented musicians and that is undeniable. However, Jim Morrison was the magic of the band and without him or a front man as charismatic, the band would have failed.

Actually, I am gonna go ahead and deny that. John was not a particularly powerful player and his drum riffs are not especially memorable. Ray had nowhere near the skill of other players during his era like Richard Wright from Pink Floyd. Ray's playing often sounds like noodling to me. Robby has a unique tone but again, he's easily outmatched by other players of his era in terms of memorable riffs, skill and overall ability, like say Eric Clapton.

I don't hate the Doors or anything. I just don't think they were especially gifted musicians. Jim's stage personae was and still is the most unique and notable thing about the band.

I wish that Love had even one quarter of the popular success that the Doors had.

if i saw Ray i'd tell him straight up:

"Why don't you change your name to ...
Sidney or Irving Manzarek?

It's just a word."

I'm a door, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

NYRBill: padraig: I remember the first time I heard "Smells like teen spirit" on the radio. I was 15 at the time. I thought "wow, this is what ROCK MUSIC is supposed to sound like". It was so raw, so powerful...

a friend of mine played that album for a bunch of us before they were big and I remember thing "SLTS" was the worst song on the album

Too bad you guys are too young to remember much of the better music of the 70s.

purple helmet: Too bad you guys are too young to remember much of the better music of the 70s.

um, I'm old so yes I do know 70's music
/going to see Allman Bros. tomorrow actually

HappyHarryHardOn: John Densmore has this fixation on not whoring out the Door's name, He is also the reason why there is, to this day, no commercials with Doors music.


And I respect the fark out of him for that. Regardless of what you think of the band, it's refreshing that there is still rock classics out there that aren't ruined everytime I turn on the TV

Damn, and I've just been waiting for the Kingston charcoal commercial featuring Light My Fire.

This is one of the more lame band name fights. You know how I know?

Well, last night. Jim FARKIN' Morrison told me - that's who.


He told me, too! As he was bagging my groceries.

Jim's stage personae was and still is the most unique and notable thing about the band.


Oh really? Try imagining the songs without Ray's keyboards or Robbie's guitar licks.

This is bull shiat, they were in the band too. Besides Jim always said he was worthless without his band mates; he needed them to perform.

they should get Danzig to sing for them.

The Doors were a good band.
They made good records.
Period.

The key to appreciating the Doors is ignore all the Morrison over-hype. From what I read in Morrison's biography, he always despised it when people said: "Jim Morrison AND the Doors.

Supposedly he flew into a rage once when he saw a poster or a billboard or something that had his image over imposed in front of the other three members.