Oh, I see. It's the old "let's accuse the other side of doing what we're doing" strategy.

Yeah, Democrats, why do you want us to stay in Iraq forever?

Why do Democrats hate America?


/I larfed at the paper this morning: Michelle Malkin had a frothing-at-the-mouth attack on Nancy Pelosi for refusing to allow drilling, and two pages away was a story about how Pelosi is now considering allowing drilling.

Stupid Democrats. Vote Republican in November... and... um, well... something about gas, something good probably. You stupid libs.

Mordant: Stupid Democrats. Vote Republican in November... and... um, well... something about gas, something good probably. You stupid libs.

Also Jesus and guns and 9/11 and terrists and gay marriage.

i feel stupider having read this headline. Thank you submitter.

So, Jon Birger, just how does Bush's cock taste?

GAT_00: So, Jon Birger, just how does Bush's cock taste?

Exactly the same way that the collective ass of the American people does.

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That article does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If A is B and B might be C, then A is C? Is that the fuzzy logic they speak of?

Oh well... build more wind farms... those will pay off the quickest.

Off shore drilling is a political red herring. Beside the fact that no production would actually be available for at least four (and probably fifteen until full production would be realized) years -

(1) We don't have any excess refinery capacity. Until someone builds a refinery in America, we would be selling our ANWR crude to Canadistan or Mexaricana or whomever who would then put it on the world market but even if we did have refinery capacity . . .

(2) Oil is a world commodity. We would benefit from, at most, 25% of the oil we would produce. American consumers would benefit ever so slightly from this increased production but only at the same rate that China, India, etc. benefitted. It is true that every increase in capacity benefits every consumer, but the thought that we can keep this production for our own use is ridiculous.

That said, I don't get the moratorium on shale oil at all. Is there any rational reason for not leasing federal lands for shale oil production? Damn pinko liberal Dems running the Department of the Interior must be in bed with the drilling companies.

FTA - Unfortunately though this is not the point the Dems are trying to make.

Really? Because it seems from the quote that it is EXACTLY the point they are trying to make...

Yeah...the media is totally pro-Obama...yeah...poor McCain is fighting an uphill battle, here...yeah, liberals liberals liberals....

If Obama can't make peace with conservative pundits, then how can he possibly forge a lasting peace in the Middle East?

How on earth is this shiat going green, Goddamn.

I must have misheard McCain chanting "Drill now! Drill now! Drill now!" last night..

McCain as well as the House Republicans guarantee that gas prices will begin going down the minute drilling is approved. Surely, they wouldn't lie or even mildly exaggerate?

Control_this: If Obama can't make peace with conservative pundits, then how can he possibly forge a lasting peace in the Middle East?

You mean he'll do worse that George W. Bush, who is beloved by conservative pundits?

Bucky Katt: McCain as well as the House Republicans guarantee that gas prices will begin going down the minute drilling is approved. Surely, they wouldn't lie or even mildly exaggerate?

Gas prices might go down, because speculators are betting that crude oil prices will be higher in the future. Off-shore drilling will eventually lower the price for crude, so they might not be as willing to gamble.

Enough is enough. For the long term good of the US and the world, Obama needs to lose this time around. America needs for more years of Bush. It seems they haven't learned and this will shore up long term support for new policies. Obama is going to get blamed for all this crap over the next 4 years anyway.

America isn't ready yet.

So. When are the democrats going to toot their horns about closing the Enron loophole?

NO SHIAT?

Obama strikes me as the person best to lead this nation because unlike GWB, he actually calls on eminent persons in their fields to render their advice to him before making a decision. That takes balls, guts and a realization that this presidency job is not a video game.

Consider me not surprised - this makes perfect sense as part of the Democrats' pro-life, pro-Iraq platform.

Both sides have to be careful about attacking the other's incremental steps while justifying their own.

It is true that opening up more drilling will not have an immediate effect, and it's not going to solve the whole problem anyway. However, you can use a similar argument against investing in the alternative fuel or pushing the conservation measure of your choosing. Biofuels/wind/solar/CFBs won't pay off for years, and even then it's not going to totally replace oil.

The solution is to do a little of everything, as long as it's economically viable and doesn't rely on arbitrary government subsidies or restrictions (and past subsidies for one thing aren't an excuse to spread the stupidity). Let the price of energy reflect as many factors as possible (including environmental impact), and it will be easy to choose the "best" options because they will be priced accordingly.

If the Republicans are such long-range thinkers then why didn't they open up drilling when they had the majority five years ago. Oh yeah because it's another homoerotic wedge issue for their base.

Problem: We are addicted to oil
Solution: Let's get more oil!

Replace "oil" with "crack" and you will understand the Republican energy plan in full.

The Democrats have been pretty much anti-drilling, if anything. Moreover, the Republicans are the ones hailing off-shore drilling as an end-all be-all solution to our energy problems, as they've all but come out and promised gas prices of $.10 / gal if we install new drilling facilities.

Is there some sort of competition for the Least Accurate Headline that I don't know about?

It's a global supply issue. Wells go dry over time, and new supply needs to come on line to replace the empties. It may not really lower prices in the short term, but it'll add to global supplies in the future.

That being said, oil is really useful stuff beyond the use as a transportation fuel. Cost effective alternative transportation fuels would really help to lower fuel costs. But we will need the plastics and lubricants and tar for our roads and roofs.

No matter what a Democrat tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room.

Wait, what?

FTA -

"I think it's important for the American people to understand we're not going to drill our way out of this problem. It's also important to recognize if you start drilling now you won't see a drop of oil for ten years, which means it's not going to have a significant impact on short-term prices." - U.S. Senator Barack Obama, Aug. 8, 2008

Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

/Keep talking, BHO, keep talking

cchris_39: Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

LOL it's hilarious that you believe one caused the other.

cchris_39: Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

/Keep talking, BHO, keep talking

HE'S THE NEXT TRUMAN!!!

/Wait a minute... that "H" stands for HUSSEIN??? HAVEN'T WE HAD ENOUGH OF HUSSEIN???
//We gotta tell everyone!!! Get me my electrified emailing machine!

Sure. The oil companies will fix the problem of the oil companies charging out the ass.

/gullible

Cozret: Replace "oil" with "crack" and you will understand the Republican energy plan in full.

So stop using "oil."

That's the pro-abortionist stance on abortions is it not? - "Don't like abortions, don't have one."

wildcardjack: It's a global supply issue. Wells go dry over time, and new supply needs to come on line to replace the empties. It may not really lower prices in the short term, but it'll add to global supplies in the future.

That being said, oil is really useful stuff beyond the use as a transportation fuel. Cost effective alternative transportation fuels would really help to lower fuel costs. But we will need the plastics and lubricants and tar for our roads and roofs.

When I need lubricant I know how to make it. Just becuase conservatives take a wider stance than that option allows for doesn't mean the solution is to keep drilling more and more until the next option becomes available. That's the kind of thing that gets people butthurt at the pumps.

/Thank you

Is there any rational reason for not leasing federal lands for shale oil production?-Conman


Probably because it's an incredibly polluting technology in its current state? There are new technologies being studied, but the way that shale oil is not being allowed right now is because it would cost more to clean up and correct the damage caused by the process than anyone would ever gain in profit.

"Shale Oil" is actually an incorrect term. The rock isn't shale and it doesn't contain oil. What it contains is hydrocarbons with significant less energy content than crude oil. For the most part it can't be refined into gasoline which makes it suitable primarily for diesel/kerosene/jet fuel.

Check into it a little more, its not nearly the panacea its being made out to be.

poopalacarte: Yeahhhhh. More of a 20 cents/gal drop. Oooh... 5%... sig-farking-nificant!

I beg to differ.... it went from $4.05 a gallon then to $3.53 today.

Ball Sack Obama: I beg to differ.... it went from $4.05 a gallon then to $3.53 today.

You people are DUPES

cchris_39: /Keep talking, BHO, keep talking

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: /Wait a minute... that "H" stands for HUSSEIN??? HAVEN'T WE HAD ENOUGH OF HUSSEIN???


Please. Call him B.O. Otherwise you'll just build up a stink about his middle name.

cchris_39: Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

I took a giant crap that day, and I'm pretty sure the reduction in oil prices was a direct result of that.

Oh, subby...LOL.

poopalacarte: omg do you know where i can get some crack

If you get off that crack rock, you could be Pepper Jack's best ho.

cchris_39: FTA -

"I think it's important for the American people to understand we're not going to drill our way out of this problem. It's also important to recognize if you start drilling now you won't see a drop of oil for ten years, which means it's not going to have a significant impact on short-term prices." - U.S. Senator Barack Obama, Aug. 8, 2008

Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

/Keep talking, BHO, keep talking

Bush had nothing to do with it. The rising dollar and the decline in demand for oil are the cause.

"Oil prices plummeted by the second-largest margin on record Tuesday as investors feared a further decline in U.S. demand after hearing comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke."

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Ball Sack Obama: So stop using "oil."

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We were wondering, how many posts do you have to make to earn the coveted 'Straight Talk Express' coffee cup?

It's true, we won't drill our way of the problem, just like we won't educate our way out of ignorance, vaccinate our way out of disease, eat our way out of hunger, or vote our way out of pig-headed stupidity on the part of Congress. But every little bit helps.

I'd like to know if I'm going to get my monies worth allowing drilling in ANWR and off-shore.

And I'm not talking about price of gas falling below $4.00 let alone $2.50.

I have no idea how much oil companies are going to pay for the rights to drill in these virgin fields. I'd really like to know if I (as U.S. citizen) will be getting my monies worth (pay off some of the debt).

Given the juggernaut instances "we must drill now!" without such information makes me think it may be Teapot Dome all over again.

Also members of the Democratic party say oil companies have leased land not in production. Does the cost of getting oil from these areas make doing so unprofitable at the current price of a barrel of oil? If so this argument doesn't hold for me.

Does anybody have hard numbers?

cchris_39: BHO

obvious.

Relatively Obscure: cchris_39: Well, other than the fact that oil has dropped $30/bbl and gas has dropped 50 cents a gallon since Bush announced lifting the ban.....

I took a giant crap that day, and I'm pretty sure the reduction in oil prices was a direct result of that.

Get that man some Taco John's!