Oh that's good.

When pandering to special interest groups like the Christians, it's always better to use a story that's already been tried and tested and is guaranteed to have an impact.

I mean, McCain could have told a story about something that actually happened to him, but then how would he know if it would go over well or not?

The truly sad part is that even if you told Christians he lied (assuming he did) and then showed them it was written by Solzhenitsyn before McCain was in the camp, they would still believe McCain. To many Christians, Republicanism is their new faith. Just as they have been programmed to think.

Wow. Just... wow.

Does McCain not yet know just how quickly anything he says can be fact-checked, or is he just actively trying to lose the election?

/Or is it both?

Wow. I wonder if he thinks that actually happened to him by now. His memory is failing him, terribly.

I wonder if his campaign just stole that from Wikipedia, too.

John McCain was a POW who returned to America a hero after five years in captivity. He's a true American Patriot. How dare anyone question his word.

God kept him alive through all those years of captivity so that someday he could fulfill his destiny of being elected President and leading America down a righteous path towards becoming the theocracy Jesus envisioned when he founded the United States of America as the Christian Holy Land.

AMEN

I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What are the odds that two people have the exact same experience at anything?

Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What are the odds that two people have the exact same experience at anything?

My only point is this: Unless you were at that POW camp the entire time McCain was there and you can vouch that you never saw the incident happen, you cannot say, with 100% certainty, that it didn't happen. Making a fuss about this when you can't say it didn't happen only detracts from the real issues of this election and allows his campaign to muddy the waters and lets him fall on his POW shield and say "HOW DARE YOU ATTACK ME?! I SERVED THIS COUNTRY POW RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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I've read Gulag Archipelago, and I think McCain has to, IIRC, so I can't imagine he would knowingly crib it, but if he did, well, shame on him. But then, I really don't trust what I read in from DailyKos anymore than I trust anything about Obama from Free Republic.

* Or if you can get the author of his 1999 memoir to say it was a cribbed story.

/One more way to disprove it

Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What are the odds that two people have the exact same experience at anything?

Hey, at least he isn't telling the story in the third person anymore.

King Something: What are the odds that two people have the exact same experience at anything?

Not much, except the idea of persecuted Christians drawing a symbol in the dirt to show support has been known by most Christians from childhood. The story goes back to ancient Rome. (It was a fish, not a cross, in those times.) I mean, it's coincidental, but it's not exactly the same as telling a story about getting into a fight with a Taco Bell manager for trying to pay with a $2 bill, either.

Eh, another thing the liberal media would be up Obama's ass for and ignoring McCain's actions on. Wheels on the bus go round and round.

"draw a cross in the sand -mccain" draws a surprisingly small number of hits

I could have sworn I saw this on an episode of Star Trek

flaEsq: "draw a cross in the sand -mccain" draws a surprisingly small number of hits

I could have sworn I saw this on an episode of Star Trek

The original series? I hope not. That would mean that there's a chance Solzhenitzyn cribbed it from "Star Trek." {shudder}

That's change you can xerox mimeograph.

Nabb1: The original series?

I think so. The episode with the Landrew projection thingie

Johnny Stat Box: ...but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience?

J. McCain bought that story and the one about returning a pair of pants fair and square from Solzhenitsyn. If Solzhenitsyn's heirs want something to talk about, they might want to buy some bunion stories from Newman for eight bucks.

This heartwarming scene was never mentioned (new window) in earlier recounts of his POW experiences.

robsul82: Eh, another thing the liberal media would be up Obama's ass for and ignoring McCain's actions on. Wheels on the bus go round and round.

Speaking of buses, did you hear that Obama went from Bounty to Brawny paper towels? He threw Bounty under the bus!

Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Did you click the link at the end of TFA? It is an article written by McCain about how awesome Solzhenitsyn is. I'm not saying your scenario isn't possible. I'm just saying that William of Occam might have a suggestion for you.

cameroncrazy1984: That's change you can xerox mimeograph.

Hahahahaha.

cameroncrazy1984: This heartwarming scene was never mentioned (new window) in earlier recounts of his POW experiences.

Interesting...

mcwebe0: Johnny Stat Box: I'm no McCain fan at all and his ridiculous "my friends" nonsense and pandering were almost a little too much for me to bear last night, but is there the possibility that these two soldiers, in different times and in different places, could have had the same experience? I mean, McCain first told that story in his memoir in 1999 and has told it several (thousand) times since. Of course, that doesn't make it true, but this is one time where I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Did you click the link at the end of TFA? It is an article written by McCain about how awesome Solzhenitsyn is. I'm not saying your scenario isn't possible. I'm just saying that William of Occam might have a suggestion for you.

*"The Price is Right" loser noise HERE*

C'mon, donut wenches. Do your jobs and treat this like you treated like that idiotic Deval Patrick non-scandal from the primaries.

Yep, my BS detectors buzzed about that one too. Thanks, rickrocket, for doing the legwork. I will definitely go get my broom if someone wants to say the word.

OMFG!! McCain threw Alexander Solzhenitsyn UNDER THE BUS!!!

Meh, it's the McCain media - this craptacular bit of BS will get about as much attention as his "I fooled the commies by naming the Green Bay Packers' offensive line...er...wait...I'm in Pittsburgh? Yeah, yeah, it was STEELERS!!!

Pandering ass...

robsul82: C'mon, donut wenches. Do your jobs and treat this like you treated like that idiotic Deval Patrick non-scandal from the primaries.

You do understand the difference between quoting from a speech, with or without citation, and claiming that something which happened to someone else instead happened to you. I suppose it could be worse than that. He could be claiming that something he read happened to him.

mcwebe0: He could be claiming that something he read happened to him.

Isn't he doing just that?

cameroncrazy1984: Isn't he doing just that?

Let me clarify. I meant: He could actually think that something he read happened to him.

mcwebe0: Let me clarify. I meant: He could actually think that something he read happened to him.

Well given his age, it's entirely possible he does think that happened to him whether it did or not.

Do you possibly think that maybe McCain is deliberately trying to lose the election as payback for the Republicans for treating him like crap back in 2000?

mcwebe0: robsul82: C'mon, donut wenches. Do your jobs and treat this like you treated like that idiotic Deval Patrick non-scandal from the primaries.

You do understand the difference between quoting from a speech, with or without citation, and claiming that something which happened to someone else instead happened to you. I suppose it could be worse than that. He could be claiming that something he read happened to him.

Perhaps you're misunderstanding when I say "donut wenches" that I think the horribly biased pro-Obama liberal media's coverage of John McCain is akin to Cartman's dealings with Rob Reiner on the smoking episode of "South Park."



"God, he's just the best! Mr. Reiner, can I get you a muffin? O-or a cold drink, perhaps?"

It's a miracle!

NeverDrunk23: Do you possibly think that maybe McCain is deliberately trying to lose the election as payback for the Republicans for treating him like crap back in 2000?

If anything he's deliberately dumping so that the Republicans no longer have to clean up their own mess.

robsul82: Perhaps you're misunderstanding when I say "donut wenches" that I think the horribly biased pro-Obama liberal media's coverage of John McCain is akin to Cartman's dealings with Rob Reiner on the smoking episode of "South Park."

Are you sure you're thinking of the right candidate?

mcwebe0: robsul82: Perhaps you're misunderstanding when I say "donut wenches" that I think the horribly biased pro-Obama liberal media's coverage of John McCain is akin to Cartman's dealings with Rob Reiner on the smoking episode of "South Park."

Are you sure you're thinking of the right candidate?

OK, let me be clear. I think the media's in the tank for McCain. I'm the person who made this -

i honestly believe that a lot of what mccain is doing is just pandering for votes. if he gets elected, i think we'd see a huge shift towards the center in mccains actions compared to his words right now. just like obama will shift to the left.

mccain isn't the worst choice for president. but i like obama a lot better.

bales: i honestly believe that a lot of what mccain is doing is just pandering for votes. if he gets elected, i think we'd see a huge shift towards the center in mccains actions compared to his words right now. just like obama will shift to the left.

mccain isn't the worst choice for president. but i like obama a lot better.

Why would McCain shift to the center AFTER getting elected, when the center is where he needs to be to get elected? He can't win the election by keeping himself to the right - he's to the center of where he wants to be right now.

If Obama is going to shift to the left after the election, you'd better bet your ass McCain is going to shift to the right. He was more hawkish than Bush in 2000, and we're in for a world of hurt if he gets in.

I think this story's even older than that:

The Quest for Saint Aquin (pops)

I'm certainly not a fan of McCain, but I can't say this didn't happen. Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it isn't possible again, or it is also possible that the guard knew the story and repeated it for McCain.

Only McCain knows the real truth and I have to accept that without evidence to the contrary.

I'm still not voting for him. Having a military background isn't always a good thing. A predisposition to use the military as a response doesn't necessarily make you a good President.

McStinky: I'm certainly not a fan of McCain, but I can't say this didn't happen. Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it isn't possible again, or it is also possible that the guard knew the story and repeated it for McCain.

Only McCain knows the real truth and I have to accept that without evidence to the contrary.

I'm still not voting for him. Having a military background isn't always a good thing. A predisposition to use the military as a response doesn't necessarily make you a good President.

He's never mentioned it before - and he's not a guy who is shy about talking about his experiences. He wrote a 12,000 word report when he got back from there and didn't mention it.

And now, just after Solzhenitsyn has been in the news, McCain happens to talk about a story which actually happens to Solzhenitsyn? We're left with a few options here:

1) It actually happened to both people, but for some reason McCain never mentioned it until after Solzhenitsyn died.
2) It didn't happen to McCain and he lied.
3) It didn't happen to McCain but he thinks it did.
4) Solzhenitsyn stole the story from McCain by time travel.

Which one of those first 3 is most likely? I honestly am not sure.

DamnYankees: McStinky: I'm certainly not a fan of McCain, but I can't say this didn't happen. Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it isn't possible again, or it is also possible that the guard knew the story and repeated it for McCain.

Only McCain knows the real truth and I have to accept that without evidence to the contrary.

I'm still not voting for him. Having a military background isn't always a good thing. A predisposition to use the military as a response doesn't necessarily make you a good President.

He's never mentioned it before - and he's not a guy who is shy about talking about his experiences.

Excuse me, I have it on good authority from 98% of the media that if there is one thing John McCain does not like to talk about, it's his war experiences. Please stop spewing your liberal lies about The Maverick.

DamnYankees: McStinky: I'm certainly not a fan of McCain, but I can't say this didn't happen. Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it isn't possible again, or it is also possible that the guard knew the story and repeated it for McCain.

Only McCain knows the real truth and I have to accept that without evidence to the contrary.

I'm still not voting for him. Having a military background isn't always a good thing. A predisposition to use the military as a response doesn't necessarily make you a good President.

He's never mentioned it before - and he's not a guy who is shy about talking about his experiences. He wrote a 12,000 word report when he got back from there and didn't mention it.

And now, just after Solzhenitsyn has been in the news, McCain happens to talk about a story which actually happens to Solzhenitsyn? We're left with a few options here:

1) It actually happened to both people, but for some reason McCain never mentioned it until after Solzhenitsyn died.
2) It didn't happen to McCain and he lied.
3) It didn't happen to McCain but he thinks it did.
4) Solzhenitsyn stole the story from McCain by time travel.

Which one of those first 3 is most likely? I honestly am not sure.

Obama used his elitist Muslim mind control to make McCain say it. the he threw McCain under a bus

He's never mentioned it before - and he's not a guy who is shy about talking about his experiences. He wrote a 12,000 word report when he got back from there and didn't mention it.

And now, just after Solzhenitsyn has been in the news, McCain happens to talk about a story which actually happens to Solzhenitsyn? We're left with a few options here:

1) It actually happened to both people, but for some reason McCain never mentioned it until after Solzhenitsyn died.
2) It didn't happen to McCain and he lied.
3) It didn't happen to McCain but he thinks it did.
4) Solzhenitsyn stole the story from McCain by time travel.

Which one of those first 3 is most likely? I honestly am not sure.

I tend to doubt him, just based on the other lies and the 'yeast spreads through the dough' principle. It's not that I believe him, it's that I can't accuse him of lying.

Still don't like him, primarily because I did like him in 2004. He's not the same, he and pander bear are spending too much time together at the waffle house.

McStinky: I tend to doubt him, just based on the other lies and the 'yeast spreads through the dough' principle. It's not that I believe him, it's that I can't accuse him of lying.

I'm not accusing him of lying either. But there's clearly something weird going on. So until McCain tells us which of my listed options it is, I have to doubt this story and call him on it.

Did Hillary Clinton get a sex change and some reverse plastic surgery or something?

jbc: I wonder if his campaign just stole that from Wikipedia, too.

^^ that.

robsul82: OK, let me be clear. I think the media's in the tank for McCain. I'm the person who made this -

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I think I'm tracking now. Sorry. I haven't watched South Park in years. (Shocking, I know.) I fail at the internets.

McCain an unrepentant, oblivious liar? The hell you say.