Looks like HillDog really has a chance.

Why does it matter? For people who's hot button issue is abortion, all that matters is that he's pro-choice.

Then again, why does it matter anyway? No one has ever been "converted" on this issue by a reasoned and well-thought out response.

"Asked at what point a baby gets "human rights""

Yeah, that is above his pay grade. Who's to say what point a baby is human? At least he didn't decide to bullshiat an answer.

PATS0707: Looks like HillDog really has a chance.

She does. In about 8 years.

"Asked at what point a baby gets "human rights""
Yeah, that is above his pay grade. Who's to say what point a baby is human? At least he didn't decide to bullshiat an answer.

Yeah, misleading headline.

I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Dam straight it's above his pay grade...the issue is up to the woman, her partner if she so chooses, and their God. The government should stay the fark out.

Now I just wish the rest of the politicians would listen.

Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: "... whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity ... is above my pay grade."

That's called a joke, folks.

Confabulat: I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Of course Subby doesn't have an answer. He or she is waiting for Limbaugh, Fascists on the Family, and/or Fox Noise to tell him or her what to think on Monday.

You know, now that I think about it some more, that is THE best answer anyone could give. Not only does it show humility, but it also shows great wisdom. Or, at the very least, great campaign managers.

cameroncrazy1984: At least he didn't decide to bullshiat an answer.

Or tell us that he knows for sure, and will use that to put a woman's health and life at risk, like McCain.

Confabulat: I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Someone who is running for president should have the balls to give an honest answer on what they believe on a hot button topic. Do you disagree?

Frank N Stein: Someone who is running for president should have the balls to give an honest answer on what they believe on a hot button topic.

How is that not an honest answer?

Sun God: That's called a joke, folks.

Well, so, i was gonna, but you got there before me.

Confabulat: I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Subby's answer is not as important as Obama's answer, if he were to give it. When subby is on national tv and has this question presented to him, then we can worry about what he has to say. Until then, lets focus on the answers of the people running for pres.
/dnrtfa.

Frank N Stein: Someone who is running for president should have the balls to give an honest answer on what they believe on a hot button topic. Do you disagree?

For someone whose moniker corresponds to one of the most ubiquitous characters of conformist critique, I find that deeply humorous.

It is amusing that the only people upset with his answer are the mindless Bushbots errrr.... Fark Independents™ that weren't going to vote for him anyway. How is this a pivotal point in the campaign?

cameroncrazy1984: "Asked at what point a baby gets "human rights""

Yeah, that is above his pay grade.

Its above the pay grade for anyone who's not a Deity, quite frankly.

Frank N Stein: Confabulat: I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Someone who is running for president should have the balls to give an honest answer on what they believe on a hot button topic. Do you disagree?

THIS. I went back and read the news piece, and it sounds more like Obama was sidestepping the question, as opposed to saying that it just wasn't his place to give an answer. I would have to see the Q & A on video to be sure. Never can tell if the story is out of context.

SilentStrider: cameroncrazy1984: "Asked at what point a baby gets "human rights""

Yeah, that is above his pay grade.

Its above the pay grade for anyone who's not a Deity, quite frankly.

amen.

/good to see you, bro.

jbc: How is that not an honest answer?

Why didn't he just come right out and say that he doesn't believe that a fetus has human rights until it is born? Its pretty clear that he was skirting the issue because of the audience that was attended the forum.

Stating that he doesn't know why he is pro choice is a blatant evasive answer.

jbc: It is amusing that the only people upset with his answer are the mindless Bushbots errrr.... Fark Independents™ that weren't going to vote for him anyway. How is this a pivotal point in the campaign?

Ah yes, the false dichotomy that will surely be pinned on me. What makes you so sure that I have voted for Bush, or have even voted Republican, in the past?

Frank N Stein: ...audience that was attended the forum.

attending, rather.

/beers deep into the night

1proudneocon: Frank N Stein: Confabulat: I suppose subby has a deep, thoughtful, and ultimately wise answer to the question of when a baby gets human rights?

Why not share it with us, subby? Or is that above your pay grade?

Someone who is running for president should have the balls to give an honest answer on what they believe on a hot button topic. Do you disagree?

THIS. I went back and read the news piece, and it sounds more like Obama was sidestepping the question, as opposed to saying that it just wasn't his place to give an answer. I would have to see the Q & A on video to be sure. Never can tell if the story is out of context.

FTFA:

"whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity ... is above my pay grade."

That's sidestepping to you? It's dead on. There's no specific answer. And anyone who gives a specific answer, at this point in time, is full of shiat. Or full of some dishonest indoctrination.

...because pro-lifers have been converted to pro-choicers based on the single answer of one politician in response to a single question.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that's never happened, ever, in the history of politics and abortion.

Frank N Stein: Why didn't he just come right out and say that he doesn't believe that a fetus has human rights until it is born?

Because the issue isn't black and white, despite what some people insist. What about the mother's human rights? What about rape and incest? What about when the human rights of the baby threaten the life of the mother?

If you think there are simple, sound-bite answers to these questions, you should be ashamed of yourself. And if you think YOU have all the answers, you should REALLY be ashamed of yourself.

Sun God: That's called a joke, folks.

A joke that flew right over the heads of about 25% of the population.

Woosh.

He could have said he has never had a conversation with a zygote, but then people would accuse him of believing in aliens.

Frank N Stein: Stating that he doesn't know why he is pro choice is a blatant evasive answer.

He may have answered that question had he been asked it. As he was not, he instead answered the question he *was* asked.

newmoonpuppyhead: That's sidestepping to you? It's dead on. There's no specific answer. And anyone who gives a specific answer, at this point in time, is full of shiat. Or full of some dishonest indoctrination.

So you're saying that there is absolutely no reason why he is pro choice? Did he just flip a coin one day to decide?

Have some farking convictions and stop hiding behind politics.

/for the record, I'm pro choice.

Frank N Stein: Have some farking convictions and stop hiding behind politics.

So tell us your deep answer to the question.

Frank N Stein: jbc: How is that not an honest answer?

Why didn't he just come right out and say that he doesn't believe that a fetus has human rights until it is born? Its pretty clear that he was skirting the issue because of the audience that was attended the forum.

Stating that he doesn't know why he is pro choice is a blatant evasive answer.

He didn't state that he doesn't know why he's pro-choice. That wasn't even the question. He stated that the question on when a fetus has human rights cannot be answered with specifics right now. None of us know the answer to that. Some believe they do. And it's those who believe they know the answer or expect an answer that we should be most afraid of.

newmoonpuppyhead: /good to see you, bro.

*terrorist fist jab*
you too man.

Confabulat: Because the issue isn't black and white, despite what some people insist. What about the mother's human rights? What about rape and incest? What about when the human rights of the baby threaten the life of the mother?

If you think there are simple, sound-bite answers to these questions, you should be ashamed of yourself. And if you think YOU have all the answers, you should REALLY be ashamed of yourself.

Why didn't he give the examples that you stated on reasons that he is pro choice? Those are all valid, in my opinion*

*My opinion which can certainly be wrong. But those are the beliefs that I hold, and I am not ashamed of them. Until someone comes along with facts that disprove those beliefs, I will hold on to them.

newmoonpuppyhead: He didn't state that he doesn't know why he's pro-choice. That wasn't even the question. He stated that the question on when a fetus has human rights cannot be answered with specifics right now.

That question ties directly into the abortion issue. I'll even venture to say that it is simply a rephrasing of that question.

Frank N Stein: Why didn't he give the examples that you stated on reasons that he is pro choice?

Because that's not the question he was asked.

Sort of missed that part, didn't you? Or can you not understand English?

Confabulat: Frank N Stein: Why didn't he just come right out and say that he doesn't believe that a fetus has human rights until it is born?

Because the issue isn't black and white, despite what some people insist. What about the mother's human rights? What about rape and incest? What about when the human rights of the baby threaten the life of the mother?

If you think there are simple, sound-bite answers to these questions, you should be ashamed of yourself. And if you think YOU have all the answers, you should REALLY be ashamed of yourself.

McCain apparently has the answer. That is scary.

Frank N Stein: newmoonpuppyhead: He didn't state that he doesn't know why he's pro-choice. That wasn't even the question. He stated that the question on when a fetus has human rights cannot be answered with specifics right now.

That question ties directly into the abortion issue. I'll even venture to say that it is simply a rephrasing of that question.

You venture in a silly way. In fact, a dangerous, simplistic, moranic way.

Frank N Stein: Why didn't he give the examples that you stated on reasons that he is pro choice?

Because. That. Wasn't. The. Farking. Question.

newmoonpuppyhead: None of us know the answer to that. Some believe they do. And it's those who believe they know the answer or expect an answer that we should be most afraid of.

It is a very difficult issue, to be sure. However, Obama has a very solid pro choice voting record. Taking that into account, he must have some sort of opinion on when human rights begins for a human, otherwise he would simply would have not voted. How can he reconcile his voting record with his "I dunno" answer?

Sorry about the two post response

Confabulat: Because that's not the question he was asked.

Sort of missed that part, didn't you? Or can you not understand English?

As I said before, the question ties directly into the abortion issue. If he doesn't know when/if a fetus is granted human rights, how does he justify his pro life voting record?

Frank N Stein: Taking that into account, he must have some sort of opinion on when human rights begins for a human

So what are yours, oh wise one?

Please be specific, and make sure to cover all philosophical, theological, physiological, and moral ground.

Isn't that what you expected Obama to do? I'm sure you can lead by example.

newmoonpuppyhead: McCain apparently has the answer. That is scary.

"Abortions for none, fighting in Iraq for all!"

It all comes down to this opening paragraph on the blog:

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by "mega-pastor" Rick Warren during a televised forum.


If the writer had written it differently....

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama gave an enlightened and honest answer to a query about abortion on Saturday by "mega-pastor" Rick Warren during a televised forum.


...this wouldn't even be a discussion.

newmoonpuppyhead: That's sidestepping to you? It's dead on. There's no specific answer. And anyone who gives a specific answer, at this point in time, is full of shiat. Or full of some dishonest indoctrination.

Yeah, that is side stepping to me. You are either pro choice or not, and you have a reason why to back up your stance. Obama clearly side stepped the answer. I have an opinion on this, and it's probably different than yours, but the point is, is that I have the balls to say where I stand on the issue.

Frank N Stein: newmoonpuppyhead: McCain apparently has the answer. That is scary.

"Abortions for none, fighting in Iraq for all!"

Yarrrggghhh!

Confabulat: So what are yours, oh wise one?

Please be specific, and make sure to cover all philosophical, theological, physiological, and moral ground.

Isn't that what you expected Obama to do? I'm sure you can lead by example.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by asking me this, but I'll go ahead.

I believe in the right to choose up until the 23nd week.

Expected Obama to answer a question like that is another sign of the dumbing-down of our society. People like Frank N Stein abandon any pretense of detailed, subtle thought (we could all talk all night about the question, after all, and only the supremely stupid among us would pretend to know the answer for sure), and just see "PRO-CHOICE!!" "PRO-LIFE!!"

The world is not an either/or. If that's all you expect from your leaders, it's no wonder what we have, huh?

Frank N Stein: It is a very difficult issue, to be sure. However, Obama has a very solid pro choice voting record. Taking that into account, he must have some sort of opinion on when human rights begins for a human, otherwise he would simply would have not voted. How can he reconcile his voting record with his "I dunno" answer?

Lets say we have a politician who doesn't know when human rights begin and doesn't think it is up to any one person. Which voting record would mostly fit this view, a pro-choice record or a pro-life record?

newmoonpuppyhead: McCain apparently has the answer. That is scary.

I don't know if he has the "answer" so much as he has "advisers who tell him the answer"

Frank N Stein: It is a very difficult issue, to be sure. However, Obama has a very solid pro choice voting record. Taking that into account, he must have some sort of opinion on when human rights begins for a human, otherwise he would simply would have not voted. How can he reconcile his voting record with his "I dunno" answer?

So first you were complaining about him to not being able to state why he was pro-choice:

Frank N Stein: Stating that he doesn't know why he is pro choice is a blatant evasive answer.

Now you're changing your story:

Frank N Stein: Taking that into account, he must have some sort of opinion on when human rights begins for a human, otherwise he would simply would have not voted.

Admit you didn't read the article and went off the submitter's blatant lie of a headline, and now you're trying to control the damage to your internets cred. The evidence of your own bullshiat is right in front of you.