O'RLY?

SHOCKED that a Clinton would destroy the party.

A group of people with an 18% popularity rating are not going with the nominee? So effing what?

angryjd: A group of people with an 18% popularity rating are not going with the nominee?

I assume you're aware that individual popularity for senate and congressional members is generally much much higher than the senate or congress polls as a whole, right?

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton!!!1!

angryjd: A group of people with an 18% popularity rating are not going with the nominee? So effing what?

It would be the end of the Democratic party should Hillary steal the nomination away from Obama on the convention floor. On the other hand, all those giant Gitmo-esque warehouses the local cops have been building now make a LOT more sense.....

That would solve my problems, it's the only way to be sure that the "conservatives" get the President they deserve next year whichever way the election goes. It also takes the burden of being the scapegoat for a bunch of shiat eating f*ckstains off of Obama's back.

Mordant: That would solve my problems, it's the only way to be sure that the "conservatives" get the President they deserve next year whichever way the election goes. It also takes the burden of being the scapegoat for a bunch of shiat eating f*ckstains off of Obama's back.

Let the hatred flow.....

Should have driven a stake through her vile heart while we had a chance.

You know, every time I see a story like this, I am surprised I can hate Hillary just a little bit more. Her power grab will let the Democratic party snatch defeat once again from the jaws of victory.

Weaver95: It would be the end of the Democratic party should Hillary steal the nomination away from Obama on the convention floor. On the other hand, all those giant Gitmo-esque warehouses the local cops have been building now make a LOT more sense.....

What?

I've been working too hard and lax on the politics. Please point me in the right direction for some reading. Looks like I need to read up.

Fark conservatives/Independents^TM-

Hillary is done. She is backing Obama. The convention in no way will result in anything other than Obama's official designation as the Democratic nominee. There will be no "bloodbath", no riots, no "1968 Redux". It's time to end this little masturbatory fantasy and start coming up with fresh reasons to continue to support the neoconservative agenda.

And I "may" not drink tonight. So?

GAT_00: Her power grab will let the Democratic party snatch defeat once again from the jaws of victory.

Like the reed you are. Bending to the wind. ;)

Jon Snow: Fark conservatives/IndependentsTM-

Hillary is done. She is backing Obama. The convention in no way will result in anything other than Obama's official designation as the Democratic nominee. There will be no "bloodbath", no riots, no "1968 Redux". It's time to end this little masturbatory fantasy and start coming up with fresh reasons to continue to support the neoconservative agenda.

QFT

As a Dem who frequently speaks with people highly placed in the activist community (such as County Party Chairs who form the backbone of the Party), this will not happen. Even the most resolute Clinton supporters are now strongly (and relatively happily) backing Obama. Just because some middle-aged harpies can't get on board with the black guy who beat their Hilldog doesn't mean Senator Clinton has any real pull in the race any more. She was finished in June, and she's only lost support since.

Those same County Chairs have seen a huge resurgence in young people getting involved in Party activities. The Party is growing, and this gives the Chairs more power and more sway over local politics. If you think they'd throw it away for some romantic hope of a president with ovaries, you're screwed in the head. Personal advancement ALWAYS wins over romantic idealism, and with Barack they get both.

Give it up, Operation Chaos. You lost.

Party Boy: Weaver95: It would be the end of the Democratic party should Hillary steal the nomination away from Obama on the convention floor. On the other hand, all those giant Gitmo-esque warehouses the local cops have been building now make a LOT more sense.....

What?

I've been working too hard and lax on the politics. Please point me in the right direction for some reading. Looks like I need to read up.

Here.

Makes sense now, don't it?

I think you have to kill her with fire. Or nuke her from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Since she's willing to nuke her own party for her own ambition it's only fair.

I just wish this coont would go away.

Can she just shut the f*ck up and go away?!

CravenMorehead: I just wish this coont would go away.

amen.

Weaver95: angryjd: A group of people with an 18% popularity rating are not going with the nominee? So effing what?

It would be the end of the Democratic party should Hillary steal the nomination away from Obama on the convention floor. On the other hand, all those giant Gitmo-esque warehouses the local cops have been building now make a LOT more sense.....

Honestly, I don't like talking in absolutes and I try to be hopeful or at least optimistic whenever possible, but if the Democrats are so farking stupid as to nominate Hillary after all of this mishugas, I'm going to either go third party or completely politically apathetic. At least, voting wise. I'll still be a pundit/activist/freedom-loving douchebag, but I won't wave the Democratic banner as a possibility of improvement.

Ideologies aside, if the Democrats are that tactically farking stupid, they don't deserve my support. At that point, voting Democratic would be like contributing to a very slow kid's Harvard scholarship. He probably won't get in, and if he does, he probably won't do very well anyway.

Bloody William: , I'm going to either go third party or completely politically apathetic.

Oh I'll vote. I'll be too pissed off not to vote. But I will *NOT* vote for Hillary. I will sooner write in Russ farking Feingold.

Weaver95: Here.

Makes sense now, don't it?

/thanks, reading now. Had to watch Phelps first.

SilentStrider: Bloody William: , I'm going to either go third party or completely politically apathetic.

Oh I'll vote. I'll be too pissed off not to vote. But I will *NOT* vote for Hillary. I will sooner write in Russ farking Feingold.

The thing is, I don't think I could support the Democratic party at all if they did something that stupid. I mean, that sort of blunder would be pretty much the be-all, end-all sign that the party has no farking hope.

Weaver95: .

fark.

Party Boy: Weaver95: .

fark.

And to think - people used to call me paranoid.....

Jon Snow: Hillary is done. She is backing Obama. The convention in no way will result in anything other than Obama's official designation as the Democratic nominee. There will be no "bloodbath", no riots, no "1968 Redux". It's time to end this little masturbatory fantasy and start coming up with fresh reasons to continue to support the neoconservative agenda.

Man, I just haven't had to time like usual to stay on top of stuff.

Party Boy: Jon Snow: Hillary is done. She is backing Obama. The convention in no way will result in anything other than Obama's official designation as the Democratic nominee. There will be no "bloodbath", no riots, no "1968 Redux". It's time to end this little masturbatory fantasy and start coming up with fresh reasons to continue to support the neoconservative agenda.

Man, I just haven't had to time like usual to stay on top of stuff.

I agree that nothing will come of this....probably....but I also think that Hillary is more than capable of pulling some sort of vicious stunt at the convention. I'm sure in her darker moments, she's considered a 'palace coup' against Obama. She might not actually TRY any of it....but i'm sure she's thought about it.

JohnnyC: Like the reed you are. Bending to the wind. ;)

I know you are joking, but Hillary still has power among a select group. If she has decided that she wants to go down swinging, then she could make a lot of trouble, and probably cost Obama the White House. And I don't think this country will be in anything resembling good shape after 4 more years of Republican politics. It wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if the Republicans were running, I don't know, an actual conservative.

Also, to those who think Hillary won't try something like this, look up a group called Party Unity My Ass. They intend to turn 2008 into 1968 Chicago. At least Denver doesn't have a Daley.

Weaver95: And to think - people used to call me paranoid.

I'm going to have to park my ass on the computer and read up, cause this is the first time I've been exposed to all this. I gotta weigh out all angles.

Say, WTF are they anticipating? Is this a worst case scenario - or do you actually put this kind of investment into a worst case scenario? That certainly wasn't the case for natural disasters of late.

On a flip/good side - who would I rather share space with?
• Nerdy protesters
• Hardened criminals

Weaver95: I agree that nothing will come of this....probably....but I also think that Hillary is more than capable of pulling some sort of vicious stunt at the convention. I'm sure in her darker moments, she's considered a 'palace coup' against Obama. She might not actually TRY any of it....but i'm sure she's thought about it.

I feel about as lost as John McCain in an open question session without Joe Lieberman on this.

Party Boy: Weaver95: And to think - people used to call me paranoid.

I'm going to have to park my ass on the computer and read up, cause this is the first time I've been exposed to all this. I gotta weigh out all angles.

Say, WTF are they anticipating? Is this a worst case scenario - or do you actually put this kind of investment into a worst case scenario? That certainly wasn't the case for natural disasters of late.

On a flip/good side - who would I rather share space with?
• Nerdy protesters
• Hardened criminals

I wonder if DHS and FBI will coordinate with local law enforcement for the conventions? And will protesters be added to the terrorist watch lists? And is this simply 'good planning' or does someone counting on riots....?

PUMA

I think that is the main page of Party Unity My Ass, though they have officially coined themselves People United Means Action. That is the Wiki for them if you don't want to give those people a pageclick.

omg the sky is falling!

Weaver95: I wonder if DHS and FBI will coordinate with local law enforcement for the conventions? And will protesters be added to the terrorist watch lists? And is this simply 'good planning' or does someone counting on riots....?

I'm not the best for speculation. I'm going to compile info. We do know those warehouse/jails are real. We also know of this hillary and nomination stuff.
What else do we know now to be true? I'm going to start there. maybe this is a whiole lotta nothing. Maybe not. I have no flipping idea either way.

Did anyone read TFA? Here's why the vote will take place:

"It's a bizarre strategy," said one Democratic strategist of the roll call. "It could backfire and show that her influence is waning. Chances are, she's not going to have as many delegates vote for her on the floor as she had in the primary."

Indeed, many Hillary diehards, including at least one member of the New York delegation, are reluctant to vote for Clinton after switching over to Obama.

"I think that most superdelegates, including myself, are going for Obama," said New York Rep. Anthony Weiner, who campaigned with Clinton around the country. "I made my decision for Obama, and I'm not switching again."

Sorry, "Fark Independents", the Democratic Convention will be an Obama lovefest. As opposed to the Republican convention, where everyone is wearing strained smiles pretending like McCain's the one they all wanted all along.

Bloody William: The thing is, I don't think I could support the Democratic party at all if they did something that stupid. I mean, that sort of blunder would be pretty much the be-all, end-all sign that the party has no farking hope.

there are still good individuals (in both parties mind you), and they are worth supporting. But, if Hillary finds a way to take the nom, the party as a whole should just disband.

Party Boy: I'm not the best for speculation. I'm going to compile info. We do know those warehouse/jails are real. We also know of this hillary and nomination stuff.
What else do we know now to be true?

I would be willing to bet significant money that this was planned and greenlighted back when there was still the illusion that Hillary could take it to the convention.

Certainly worth keeping an eye on, and a process to worry about for the future, but without significant protests the warehouse will be empty.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

You'll see, Hillary will bite Obama's finger off during the convention. Then she'll begin cackling about having the precious, her wonderful precious back that nasssty cruel Obamitses stole from him.

Jon Snow: I would be willing to bet significant money that this was planned and greenlighted back when there was still the illusion that Hillary could take it to the convention.

Certainly worth keeping an eye on, and a process to worry about for the future, but without significant protests the warehouse will be empty.

Interesting. That would be a good question to have answered here. When - it has a bearing on many of the attendant questions.

Jon Snow: Fark conservatives/IndependentsTM-

Hillary is done. She is backing Obama. The convention in no way will result in anything other than Obama's official designation as the Democratic nominee.

Perhaps you didn't hear about the recent PUMA convention that had almost 25 people in attendance.

Fano: You'll see, Hillary will bite Obama's finger off during the convention. Then she'll begin cackling about having the precious, her wonderful precious back that nasssty cruel Obamitses stole from him.

Unfortunately for everyone besides her, the planned "Volcano of Change" has been cut for environmental reasons, and she will instead merely fall off the stage and twist her ankle.

i don'T know wHat you people are complaIning about. She's WelcOme to MAke aNy attempts she wants at vIctory, from a legal perSpective. personAlly i hope this Cunning stUNT is what paves her way to the white house.

careful....you guys are creeping towards a troother mindset...

Someone needs to post the "from hells heart I stab at thee" pic.

All of you Hillary haters on Fark need to remember who gave Hillary her power, YOU did. Quit hating the monster you created.
Hopefully she will destroy her own party.
Be very careful which politicians you support in the future, dumb asses.

Good lord, so much drama. She won half the vote, let her get recognized for that. At the end of the day she's still supporting Obama. It's well-known that the Fark Independents and other nattering nabobs of negativity have highly developed histrionic personality complexes. No need to add more fuel to the fire.

log_jammin: careful....you guys are creeping towards a troother mindset...

Not really. Sure, bureaucrats plan for every eventuality and that's probably why they're building cattle pens, but agents provocateurs aren't exactly a new concept. Unfortunately, with all the stunts that we've seen in the last 8 years, very little is outside of the realm of possibility.

torquestripe: All of you Hillary haters on Fark need to remember who gave Hillary her power, YOU did. Quit hating the monster you created.
Hopefully she will destroy her own party.
Be very careful which politicians you support in the future, dumb asses.

I didn't know we were Slick Willie's slick willie.

The powers that be in the Democratic party don't want to see a black man as the nominee. He'll always be the token black.