Perhaps someone ought to grow a brain and suggest that teens should not be issued driver's licenses.

For about $50, they could have set up lawn chair and a cooler of beer in my front yard and taken all the data they needed.

They don't lack judgment, they simply have poor judgment. Good judgment comes from experience and new drivers lack that.

Can I have a grant now?

The scientists in question?

CravenMorehead: They don't lack judgment, they simply have poor judgment. Good judgment comes from experience and new drivers lack that.

Can I have a grant now?

Not only that, but teens do not have the risk-assessment skills an adult does, and as a result are more likely to behave in risky ways.

bronyaur1: Perhaps someone ought to grow a brain and suggest that teens should not be issued driver's licenses.

Yes, please!

Injury prevention programs at accredited hospital trauma centres are required to stress the risks of not buckling up regularly, speeding and drunk driving.

Kids are smart enough to know the government is lying to them about speed limits. Are they smart enough to know how much the government is lying about other things, and how much they should really worry about?

[teens] mistakenly assumed that ... Vehicle and highway design were more likely to cause crashes than human error.

If you follow U.S. government reporting standards, most crashes are caused by highway and vehicle defects. U.S. government reporting standards are lies, of course. Driver who had a drink at dinner, going 70 in a 55 zone, talking on a cell phone drives off the road. That's "caused" by drunk driving, speeding, distraction, and lack of rumble strips. Four lobbying forces will claim that the accident was solely caused by one of the four different factors. So why don't we play the traffic engineering improvement lobby and point out that rumble strips, guardrails, better traffic signals, and the link can reduce injury accidents by over 50%. Therefore highway design causes most accidents, and the kids are right.

:s/the link/the like/

My speling suks today, even with preview.

ZAZ: Injury prevention programs at accredited hospital trauma centres are required to stress the risks of not buckling up regularly, speeding and drunk driving.

Kids are smart enough to know the government is lying to them about speed limits. Are they smart enough to know how much the government is lying about

One thing people forget about Canada is that we don't have the super-high way system of the States (okay Toronto does!) and in my experience driving around BC it's only 2 lanes and three in some places and speeding becomes a much more dangerous activity with more cars around and less room to move around.


Also most people I knew in high school would speed along the highways. In my opinion a lot of the strict laws of new drivers is a result of idiot teenagers crashing too many cars and killing too many passengers.

amo: CravenMorehead: They don't lack judgment, they simply have poor judgment. Good judgment comes from experience and new drivers lack that.

Can I have a grant now?

Not only that, but teens do not have the risk-assessment skills an adult does, and as a result are more likely to behave in risky ways.

Yeah. It's always the noob teen who tries to take and hold Asia.

bronyaur1: Perhaps someone ought to grow a brain and suggest that teens should not be issued driver's licenses.

That's a great idea!... if you plan to live with your parents for the rest of your life.

Thousands of dollars, that's only like a buck fifty in the US.

/just for old time's sake

How about everyone ride bikes instead?

Has to be done......
Heywood Banks FTW! (new window)

EsteeFlwrPot: How about everyone ride bikes instead?

Very dangerous. It could lead to blood doping. Or worse: France.

CravenMorehead
They don't lack judgment, they simply have poor judgment. Good judgment comes from experience and new drivers lack that.

Can I have a grant now?

Well it is also monkey see, monkey do. When you are driving with them in the car try not to have food and a cell phone in your hand, run yellow lights ect.... Adhere to the rules of the road with them in the car, and they will likely do the same.

Study: After spending thousands of dollars, Canadian scientists discover that teens lack judgment when driving scientists lack judgment in choosing worthwhile studies

FIFY

Danger Avoid Death: EsteeFlwrPot: How about everyone ride bikes instead?

Very dangerous. It could lead to blood doping. Or worse: France.

Well, part of Canada speaks french, might as well.

Well, part of Canada speaks french, might as well.

Uh no, no they don't. They speak something they call french.

fernanernie: Well it is also monkey see, monkey do. When you are driving with them in the car try not to have food and a cell phone in your hand, run yellow lights ect.... Adhere to the rules of the road with them in the car, and they will likely do the same.

My son just turned 16 and I put him behind the wheel a couple days ago for the first time. He played it very safe and did a nice job. He seems to understand the responsibility that goes with driving a car. I'm teaching on a manual trans and he even got it going the very first time he tried.

I'll be scared to death when he drives for the first time though.

bronyaur1: Perhaps someone ought to grow a brain and suggest that teens should not be issued driver's licenses.

That is a good thought, but completely unrealistic. Too many kids need to work at 15 or 16, and mom and dad are only happy driving you around for so long.

I have not walked in five weeks and won't for months because of a 15 year old driver.

I rolled a car when 16 to avoid hitting a porcupine on a wet mushy gravel road...

//thread. kick. replies.

Old drivers scare me far more than teen drivers.

/10 years on the road

/hit twice by old people (to include one driving a motor home)

/never hit by a teen driver

I suggest we lower the drinking age to 16 and raise the driving age to 18.

Except in the midwest where you're not gonna hit shiat anyway.

Erida: I have not walked in five weeks and won't for months because of a 15 year old driver.

The sex is that good?

My nineteen year old brother drove his RX7 to Iowa for the weekend for some meet. He and several buddies are camping out there, et cetera.

Now, in case you're wondering "what's the big deal?", earlier this week my brother informed us quite calmly that he had an engine fire in the RX7 but don't worry, it's not really a problem (even if one of his engine bolts is now fused to the block).

This same brother managed to drop his 900cc motorcycle ON the RX7. He also managed to dump the motorcycle in the driveway (which is why it's currently not being riden, the bike took quite a bit of damage).

Canada, you could have just asked people who live with teenagers.

lordargent: Old drivers scare me far more than teen drivers.

/10 years on the road

/hit twice by old people (to include one driving a motor home)

/never hit by a teen driver

Sadly, teen drivers tend to kill themselves. They don't wear seat belts, and when the car is full of their friends they are distracted (conversation, music, cell phones, etc).

/father of two teenage daughters
//one of which got a ticket doing 78 in a 55 mph zone
///and she's actually a very good driver

/approves

NYZooMan: Erida: I have not walked in five weeks and won't for months because of a 15 year old driver.

The sex is that good?

You owe me a new keyboard.

Ringshadow: This same brother managed to drop his 900cc motorcycle ON the RX7. He also managed to dump the motorcycle in the driveway (which is why it's currently not being riden, the bike took quite a bit of damage).

How can your 19 year old brother afford an RX7 AND a motorcycle? My car insurance for my Jetta alone is over $3k a year.

Perhaps someone ought to grow a brain and suggest that teens should not be issued driver's licenses.

I strongly disagree. It doesn't matter if a person is 16, or 50, if they lack experience behind the wheel of a car, they're gonna suck at it. Experience, confidence, and ability are the attributes that separate good drivers from bad.

Catymogo1: Ringshadow: This same brother managed to drop his 900cc motorcycle ON the RX7. He also managed to dump the motorcycle in the driveway (which is why it's currently not being ridden, the bike took quite a bit of damage).

How can your 19 year old brother afford an RX7 AND a motorcycle? My car insurance for my Jetta alone is over $3k a year.

My family has enough vehicles to qualify for a fleet discount, and my brother has a reasonable safety record (only strike against him is he took out a neighbor's newspaper delivery box on accident).

My brother alone has a CRX (uninsured, in pieces in the garage/basement), a civic, an RX7, and the bike. Oh, and a moped.

The rest of the family vehicles include a suburban (unused unless absolutely needed), an accord (my mom's), my tracer, and an Aveo (my dad's).

Personally, I think it's nuts. The family mechanic thinks we're awesome though.

/of course he would
//the accord is in the shop right now

If I paid taxes I would be outraged. OUTRAGED!

Ringshadow:This same brother managed to drop his 900cc motorcycle ON the RX7. He also managed to dump the motorcycle in the driveway (which is why it's currently not being riden, the bike took quite a bit of damage).
Catymogo1:How can your 19 year old brother afford an RX7 AND a motorcycle? My car insurance for my Jetta alone is over $3k a year.

I have a 1984 Mustang SVO, sorta rare seeing as they were made only 3 years(84-86), as well as a 1971 Yamaha R5.(also only produced 1970-1972) I'm 19, I work, I've held my first and only job since 14. I had a 1996 Passat TDI which was totalled BY an older woman hitting me with her jeep (which had been hit by a hit&run DRUNK older woman), not my fault at all. I was idling at a red light with 2 cars also stopped in front of me when BAM rear ended, car totalled, me SOL. As soon as I was hit I dropped to neutral, slammed my brakes as well as lifted my hand brake to prevent from hitting the car in front of me. Granted I wasnt 19 at the time, I'd have to say my judgement is better than alot, yet not the best.

Poppa Boner: If I paid taxes I would be outraged. OUTRAGED!

Just get one of those pay-as-you-go outrage cards. I got mine at the post office. Ask for the "Going Postal" gift cards.

First ever greenlight! w00t!

/Subby

CravenMorehead: They don't lack judgment, they simply have poor judgment. Good judgment comes from experience and new drivers lack that.

Yes, exactly. This "raise the driving age" bullshiat is just that. It just means that instead of teenagers being the risk on the road, it'll be the college kids.

/ Actually, the real risk on the road is the farking senior citizens that do 60 km/h in a 90 zone, and turn their turning signal on half a klick before the turn so you have no idea what they're doing

Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with the article. I'm not much removed from teenager-dom, and I drove perfectly and always displayed good judgment.

In fact, the only time I can even be hard on myself about was a situation that wasn't even my fault (see the trend here?). I was waiting at the front of an intersection, which was red. I had just got a text from my gf at the time and I was reading it. I guess I had my head down a bit too long because the light had turned green.

Well the guy behind me starts honking and I hear him yell something. I was going to move at that second but once I heard this ass start honking and yelling I thought: "screw this, i'm not gonna take this crap from some dude".

So I put the car in park and got out and very intimidatingly walked over to his car. It was an older guy that I saw in there, like maybe early 40's, and he had a look of horror on his face. I walked over and made a fist and yelled at him "you got something you want to say to me now you old ass biatch??".

He starts going into me about paying attention while in the car and not talking to him like that because I don't know what is means to be a man yet. Well he starts into another rant and I cut him off sharply "do you want me to ram my boot up your ass??"

He goes to talk again, I cut him off and get in his face: "do you want my boot up your ass??. Goes to talk again "I said do you want my boot up your ass old man??"

At this point i'm pretty sure people were going around us and were getting a first hand peek into what happens when you screw with me. Eventually he just wouldn't say anything, just looking straight forward, face all red, looking like hes gonna cry.


Suffice to say that no one has accused me of being a bad driver or challenged me on the road since.

NeuroticMan: First ever greenlight! w00t!

/Subby

Has this experience enhanced your internet wang?

Study: After spending thousands of dollars, Canadian scientists discover that teens lack judgement when driving

Why do you think all those 24yo losers are chasing 16yo girls?

starsrift: / Actually, the real risk on the road is the farking senior citizens that do 60 km/h in a 90 zone, and turn their turning signal on half a klick before the turn so you have no idea what they're doing

Those offenses should carry a death sentence. That and the guy that stops on a farking merge. Yeah, they do that up in in Minnesota.

prince of fark... you should be happy that guy wasnt a cop. or you should be happy you didnt get a general pounding for that.

Duh? Duh. Duhhhhhh? Duh Duh DUh. D-uH? DUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDHHHHH

/struck speechless by the absurdity of it all

But they were US dollars so it was really only about a buck fiddy Canadian.

This is why I disagree with making uber hard restrictions and excessive training on teenage drivers. We can impose these things indefinitely at an enormous cost, but kids will always be reckless drivers to some extent, and we will only ever make marginal savings in risk.

PrinceofFark

Put down the phone and drive, you ignorant sack of shiat.

Pertinent to driving, adolescents lack any sense of their own mortality, unless they've been closely exposed to death in childhood. At sixteen, they simply can't internalize the consequences of reckless driving, consequently teen driving statistics resemble casualties in a war.