I'm confused.

This might be the first time anyone has ever captured Rove saying something douchebaggy on film!

Quick! Someone check their freezer for Sasquatch!

hillbillypharmacist: I'm confused.

An accurate reflection of my thoughts, as well.

As much as I like catching Rove in his quaint little "Douchie Moments" that was a bit of a stretch.

Skleenar: This might be the first time anyone has ever captured Rove saying something douchebaggy on film!

Quick! Someone check their freezer for Sasquatch!

oops it is just a possum

Right.

So... can someone remind me why isn't Rove in jail right now, or at least on the run in some south American country with loose extradition rules?

FTFR
And you can't get Virginians to tell you really anything that he's done, other than and raise taxes for transportation.

Right, he should be invading foreign countries, naming buildings after Reagan, and constructing statues to his likeness. Only an idiot would get elected to keep things running smoothly. Real politicians stuff the law books full of useless, stupid rules, and pass tons of pork.

gilgigamesh: So... can someone remind me why isn't Rove in jail right now, or at least on the run in some south American country with loose extradition rules?

an ill informed electorate provided by the corporate media?

Yup, cuz the only thing that V.P. Dick Cheney has ever done was get elected in Oregon.

In order to point out hypocrisy you need to establish parity. Cheney was a White House chief of staff when Kaine was still in college. Cheney was Secretary of Defense, when Kaine was still just a lawyer.

I'm not saying Kaine isn't qualified. I'm just saying that pointing out that Rove said Kaine isn't but Cheney isn't saying much. Maybe his threshold of V.P. experience is somewhere greater the 2 years of governing Old Dominion.

Descartes, touche

Well, yeah. From their POV, Cheney didn't need any experience leading, he just needed experience winning. See how that works? With them, experience with political hackery means much more than experience with political leadership.

Sort of makes sense, when you see what this administration has done...

gilgigamesh: Right.

So... can someone remind me why isn't Rove in jail right now, or at least on the run in some south American country with loose extradition rules?


McCain winning is the only way he's going to avoid it. You can tell that Bush and Cheney are getting worried too. That's why they're shilling so hard for the former maverick. Their only hope is for a McCain pardon. If/when McCain looses, I think we're going to see a lot of these Cheney-Bush crooks do the Adolf Eichmann and split for South America.

That's the only real way they're going to avoid lengthy federal prison sentences and trips to The Hague in shackles.



It's just getting interesting...

It's like someone rigged a colonoscope with a microphone.

Cheney has had a lot more experience than Kaine does. True from most of his experiences he reacted poorly or learned the wrong lesson, but you can't really equate the two.

Had we listened to pre-9/11 Cheney instead of post-9/11 Cheney we also wouldn't be in this clusterfark in Iraq.

What a worthless "article". Must be a slow news day.

Tsunami Ditka: Well, yeah. From their POV, Cheney didn't need any experience leading, he just needed experience winning. See how that works? With them, experience with political hackery means much more than experience with political leadership.

Sort of makes sense, when you see what this administration has done...

Exactly, the guy with the most experience cracking kneecaps is who the neocons want.

Goodfella: gilgigamesh: Right.

So... can someone remind me why isn't Rove in jail right now, or at least on the run in some south American country with loose extradition rules?


McCain winning is the only way he's going to avoid it. You can tell that Bush and Cheney are getting worried too. That's why they're shilling so hard for the former maverick. Their only hope is for a McCain pardon. If/when McCain looses, I think we're going to see a lot of these Cheney-Bush crooks do the Adolf Eichmann and split for South America.

That's the only real way they're going to avoid lengthy federal prison sentences and trips to The Hague in shackles.



It's just getting interesting...

FSM, we can only hope at this point.

The VP should really be chosen based on how many draft deferments they received and how many of America's enemies they've done business with.

Nobody can touch Cheney.

If they're already writing of Virginia, expect a flip. Missouri and North Carolina can't be far behind.

It would be great if the Master at Arms arrested him on the air at Fox News. I would love to see "Fox Security" deal with that.

I moved to Richmond last year, whats funny is that people who live here really think the city is huge. I hear comments all the time from "natives" like "we should get our own MLB and NFL teams" (when we cant even support the triple A team thats leaving town) and "Well we arent that much smaller than Chicago" (right).

Dont get me wrong its a nice place to live and all, but people that live here seem to have a skewed view of what a big city is.

Kaine is a good Governor, and whether Rove likes it or not, people here from all sides like him. I think he could carry the state for Obama if he were chosen as the VP candidate. (provided he actually tries to campaign to win the state)

Liars lie and bullshiatters bullshiat.
Only fools are listening now, Rove has a long and public track record of being exactly what he is.
Even if you hope he is effective you would have to be a fool not to see he just makes noise for effect.
As for those who hope Rove is effective after the grotesque failures, debt and stupidity of the Bush administration: only the most short sighted of greedy people would risk killing the golden goose by continuing to loot Americas future the way the Bush administration has.

I really don't see the genius behind Rove. So he helped elect a dumb president through very dirty tactics, but he's also helped lose the House and destroyed the Republican brand.

moralpanic: I really don't see the genius behind Rove. So he helped elect a dumb president through very dirty tactics, but he's also helped lose the House and destroyed the Republican brand.

He's a genius at rallying certain types of people.

moralpanic:

I really don't see the genius behind Rove.

The sheppard seems a genius to the flock.



How the hell did we end up in this blasted pen again? That guy's a fraking genius!

Richmond is a massive pile of crap.

Intentionally misinterpreting an opponent's words in order to straw man them and establish hypocrisy is so lame, yet, unfortunately, so common.

Who the fark listens to republicans anymore? These people are a menace to society and the best thing to do is ignore them.

For heaven's sake they gave us Bush, that alone should be a good reason not to even consider their opinions.

I don't get the headline, but Virignia is in the crapper now. Thanks to Governor Kaine, we went from a surpluss to a a billion dollar deficit.

Thanks!

moralpanic: I really don't see the genius behind Rove. So he helped elect a dumb president through very dirty tactics, but he's also helped lose the House and destroyed the Republican brand.

True, but the fact that this race isn't even over yet says something about the continued viability of his tactics, IMO. People might hate the Republicans, but they're still voting for them, apparently.

gilgigamesh: Right.

So... can someone remind me why isn't Rove in jail right now, or at least on the run in some south American country with loose extradition rules?

Because the well connected never pay for their crimes, be they American crimes, war crimes, or other.

Somebody needs to demonstrate how past "experience" is correlated with future "success" as a President or VP.

Perhaps we might begin with the definitions of experience and success.

In the absence of this analysis, the words are just BS.

Mentat: If they're already writing of Virginia, expect a flip. Missouri and North Carolina can't be far behind.

Even if McCain doesn't devote as much time/resources to Virginia like Obama is currently doing, Obama still needs to increase turnout greatly if he wants to win (assuming there's a decent turnout for McCain). That said, McCain is stupid for not putting more time/resources into Virginia, because if he farks up in the debates or another GOP scandal surfaces, his chances of winning here could decrease.

The situation is reminiscent of 2006. Jim Webb won here by a very slim margin mostly because of George Allen's idiocy.

This just in, Karl Rove is an insufferable douchebag. Film at 11.

Is Rove trying to hand Virginia to the Democrats???

DamnYankees: hillbillypharmacist: I'm confused.

An accurate reflection of my thoughts, as well.

Karl Rove Math

ROVE: I'm looking at all of these Robert and adding them up. I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I'm entitled to THE math.

SIEGEL: I don't know if we're entitled to a different math but your...

ROVE: I said THE math.

I grew up in Richmond, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

No seriously, it's not a huge city population-wise, but it's got issues on a big-city level...

/Anyone remember Sa'ad El Amin? "You betta...bring...yo' stuff."

I've only been living in Virginia for 2 years now, but still, I've noticed a big swing to the left recently. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up going Obama, even without a VP pick from the state.

Rove is so full of shiat it leaks out of his ears.

astro716: I grew up in Richmond, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

No seriously, it's not a huge city population-wise, but it's got issues on a big-city level...

/Anyone remember Sa'ad El Amin? "You betta...bring...yo' stuff."

YES! I remember them opening the Riverwalk, putting up murals, and him saying they needed to take the one of Robert E. Lee down. The city fathers (this was while Kaine was mayor) capitulated, and everyone in the Richmond metro area with a Confederate Flag bumper sticker went apepoopies.
I miss me some Richbrau.

Oh, and Goodfella, they're not going to South America. They'll all get deals to work for Halliburton...why do you think they moved their corporate HQ to Dubai?

Nemo's Brother: I don't get the headline, but Virignia is in the crapper now. Thanks to Governor Kaine, we went from a surpluss to a a billion dollar deficit.

Thanks!

FAIL.

You probably didn't get this news in Freeperville, but a balanced budget is required in VA by law. It is true that Virginia is going to have some problems in meeting that requirement in the next few years, but that's because we're coming off a housing bubble and are in a friggin' recession, moran. I suspect that most, if not all, states are having some serious problems right now. Notice how consumer spending is declining? Most states get a real big chunk of their revenue from sales taxes. That and property taxes, and my NoVa residence just got assessed at a 20% decrease from the 2006 value...

Kaine, you might remember, led the effort to keep VA's state bond rating at AAA in 2006, despite downward pressures. VA kept that rating, and only 5 other states have credit ratings as good as Virginia. That means higher prices for our bonds, and proportionally more money available for capital investment by the state. Oh, yeah, and that was done by means of spending cuts and tax increases that the Repubs were not happy about, but eventually had to accept.

Also worth noting: part of the current difficulty in meeting that balanced budget is that once we got past the hurdle of last budget crisis, Kaine worked with Repubs on a careful compromise to lower property taxes to what they thought was a likely budget target. As it turns out, they erred on the side of the taxpayers and now will need to cut spending and raise taxes again. Kinda sounds like a fiscal conservative to me...

Are you sure you want to blame the Dems for VA's economy? 'Cause while it's rough going all across the country right now, VA is looking a whole lot better than most. I don't have figures in front of me, but there have been at least a dozen states whose credit ratings have declined during W's reign, and another dozen or more who have been placed on a credit watch for negative outlook.

This is very likely to be a biased source, but here's what the Virginia.gov website has to say:
# Virginia's overall economic outlook is very good.
# Forbes.com has ranked Virginia as the "Best State for Business" three years in a row.
# Unemployment is low and per capita income is outpacing national trends.

Wikipedia also points out that VA has more localities (15)in the top 100 most affluent U.S. jurisdictions than any other state and Richmond has the headquarters of 9 Fortune 500 companies - only 5 U.S. cities have a greater number.

Gee, who would ever want a governor from a state like that on the Presidential ticket?

/I like Tim Kaine
//expect to be hearing a lot more about Kaine's success in Virginia during the DNC convention in a couple of weeks.

All Kaine ever did for Virginia was put up that idiotic $1000 speeding fine. An utter failure as a governor; that being said, I would love to see him be the VP candidate. He adds nothing to the ticket, and Bill Bolling might actually do something for Virginia, while Bob McDonnell will be in the waiting to continue that trend.