I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Given the history, Georgia knew exactly what was coming if they started shiat and they still opted to start shiat.

fark the Georgia president. He is to blame for causing all of this strife. fark McCain, and the Republican controlled media machine who is siding with Georgia because they are our allies.

Our ally farked up. And it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't drive them to the scene of the crime and hand them the weapon.

It's a little more complex than "Georgia started it!", and you're right, we should be ashamed of ourselves for siding with our ally over the country that has consistently placed road blocks in our way every chance it's gotten.

I'm sorry but this doesn't smack of Fox yanking them off the air for "Telling the truth." This sounded like they thought they had an emotional interview from a 12yr old who experienced the war first hand, they went to comercial when it was plainly obvious that it was turning into a Georgian Hatchet Piece and a propoganda win for Russia. Deal with it, if they wanted to *silence the truth* they would have cut imediatly after the little girl gave her shout out to the Russians, but Shep went right along with the interview trying to stear it towards the emotional (you know, like all TV journalists do now.

It just looks like more Vag Sand for people over Fox News, who just can't deal with the fact that every news agency has a bias, Fox is just more to the right than the others.

There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Looks like Shepard Smith got fleeced by some sheep that he thought was in his flock.

What a dumbass!

Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Wait till we get involved and then buy an extra yellow ribbon. I reccomend the one thats 1.5x the size of the regular ones with the caption: "I support the troops more than you".

I just hope that if we get involved we dont have to shoot at Georgian troops, because some of them are wearing woodland marpat cammies and that could get confusing real fast.

Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

To me, it looked like he knew pretty well what side the girl and her aunt were on. He mentioned right up front that the girl fled to Russia (extremely unlikely if she were of Georgian descent) and when the girl thanked the Russian troops, the pause was only momentary as if he was making sure she was finished speaking.

I firmly believe that Fox News is a hyper-partisan disinformation-spreading arm of the Republican Party, but in this case, I don't see the controversy. He wasn't being a douchebag. For once.

Wuphon's Dream: CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

What's a little surprise sex between friends acquaintances total strangers? C'mon, gotta support your boy!

Wuphon's Dream: CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

Was she asking for it by wearing provocative clothing?

Nobody is innocent in this situation, but the way it went down its very apparent that it was a planned operation on Russias part.

I'd hit it.

CanisNoir: Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

Oh,look. Fratboy reasoning applied to world affairs. How simplistic.

CanisNoir: It's a little more complex than "Georgia started it!"

RainDawg: CanisNoir: Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

Oh,look. Fratboy reasoning applied to world affairs. How simplistic.

CanisNoir: It's a little more complex than "Georgia started it!"

You've added so much to the level of discourse. Praise you, kind sir, for gracing this lowly thread with your disdain.

RainDawg: Oh,look. Fratboy reasoning applied to world affairs. How simplistic.

You are right. Fratboys are downright complex when compared to the way country s behave. International relations is a 1st grade playground with fancy protocols and no teachers.

They declared a cease fire and Russia is moving their troops out shortly. However, Russia is now pissed off about Poland being part of the US missile shield.

/just trying to keep political discussions current
//Round 2: Fight!

CanisNoir the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not


neither georgia nor russia are allies of the united states. "ally" does not mean "country we feel good about", it means we have a ratified treaty of reciprocal military protection.

this conflict was precipitated by saakishvili bombing his own territory. we do not need to reward him for doing that simply because he was overrun by russia.

Wuphon's Dream: CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

I don't think what the Georgians did equates to rape.

CanisNoir: I don't think what the Georgians did equates to rape.

More like punching that skinny crackhead dude who's been badmouthing you all night, not paying attention to the fact that he's drinking with the Dolph Lundgren-looking motherfarker to his right.

flavor of the month: CanisNoir the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not


neither georgia nor russia are allies of the united states. "ally" does not mean "country we feel good about", it means we have a ratified treaty of reciprocal military protection.

this conflict was precipitated by saakishvili bombing his own territory. we do not need to reward him for doing that simply because he was overrun by russia.

They were trying to get into NATO, they supported us with a small force in Iraq (whether you agree with the war or not, they helped our guys in a warzone) so they are a heck of a lot closer to a *ratified ally* than the Russians ever are, were or will ever be.

Nobody is innocent in this affair so yes I think we should back up our *buddy* nation against the Russians and keep them from getting overrun while chastising him in private. Sorry but I don't need to see Bush scolding thier president on NBC to make me feel better about the situation; I'm quite certian Condi wasn't all roses and perfume.

J. Frank Parnell: They declared a cease fire and Russia is moving their troops out shortly. However, Russia is now pissed off about Poland being part of the US missile shield.

/just trying to keep political discussions current
//Round 2: Fight!

really? The articles I read imply Russia is steadily moving on the Georgian capital DESPITE the ceasefire. Meanwhile, behind the Russian army, the South Ossetians are raping and pillaging Gori and killing any Georgian unlucky enough to find themselves living in South Ossetia....refresh my memory, WHY did Russia enter South Ossetia?

There are zero good guys here but now its the Georgians getting raped and murdered and probably by the end of this there won't be a Georgian living in South Ossetia.

CanisNoir: Wuphon's Dream: CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

I don't think what the Georgians did equates to rape.

More like shooting the girlfriend in the face, since what they did actually killed people, while the boyfriend and his buddies watched.

Occam's Chainsaw: CanisNoir: I don't think what the Georgians did equates to rape.

More like punching that skinny crackhead dude who's been badmouthing you all night, not paying attention to the fact that he's drinking with the Dolph Lundgren-looking motherfarker to his right.

Thank you, yes, that is a MUCH better analogy.

did you see the video of the Fox news team being shot at and running for their lives? it was the Georgians shooting at them and all the while the reporter was making up excuses for them. surreal ^{(^)}

Occam's Chainsaw: You've added so much to the level of discourse. Praise you, kind sir, for gracing this lowly thread with your disdain.

I know it's nothing as witty as:

Occam's Chainsaw: What's a little surprise sex between friends acquaintances total strangers? C'mon, gotta support your boy!

but then, I'm not a career Farker who feels the need to stare at these threads day in and day out mentally masturbating and pretending to be relevant.

Hobodeluxe: did you see the video of the Fox news team being shot at and running for their lives? it was the Georgians shooting at them and all the while the reporter was making up excuses for them. surreal (^)

Yea because in a shooting war, Friendly Fire incidents never happen. I'd be making excuses for them as well.

Oh and this ^{(^)} needs to be posted in every Georgia thread

RainDawg: but then, I'm not a career Farker who feels the need to stare at these threads day in and day out mentally masturbating and pretending to be relevant.

What, too busy surfing pornsites and really masturbating instead of expanding your mind and having good natured debates on a message board?

CanisNoir They were trying to get into NATO, they supported us with a small force in Iraq (whether you agree with the war or not, they helped our guys in a warzone)


none of that makes them an ally of the united states. ally is short for alliance. an alliance is an agreement. georgia acted out of it's own volition. it is against the United States' interests to rush after the responsibility of protecting a country that thought it could get away with bombing its own territory because everyone would be watching the olympics.

CanisNoir: Yea because in a shooting war, Friendly Fire incidents never happen. I'd be making excuses for them as well.

I'm sure you would. that's the first thing that pops into your head as you realize your being shot at is "I'm sure they don't mean it"
Just because I'm hanging out with Russian soldiers trying to dig up dirt on them and then I see this happening from the other guys my need to report objectively goes out the window. Had this been Russians firing into a crowd I'm sure they would be excusing them too right?

flavor of the month: CanisNoir They were trying to get into NATO, they supported us with a small force in Iraq (whether you agree with the war or not, they helped our guys in a warzone)


none of that makes them an ally of the united states. ally is short for alliance. an alliance is an agreement. georgia acted out of it's own volition. it is against the United States' interests to rush after the responsibility of protecting a country that thought it could get away with bombing its own territory because everyone would be watching the olympics.

I know what the definition of "Ally" is, if you had copied or read the rest of that post, you'd see that. Nobody is talking about sending in troops, there are plenty of other ways we could support them; supplying them with weapons, placing financial preasure on Russia etc...

The context of the conversation is "Which country should I support?" and my response is Georgia because they are *closer* to being an ally, and in the sense of a *friendly nation* are an ally, where as Russia has hindered us in the UN and in Iran and any other way they can.

My position and understanding of the term Ally clear now?

JaMorg: really? The articles I read imply Russia is steadily moving on the Georgian capital DESPITE the ceasefire.

Nah, the Russians are claiming they have to stick around for a little while and clean up or something but that's it. Georgia appears to be in the clear for now. The media outlets are just trying to milk the last bit of drama out of the situation before they move on to "OMG Russia hates Poland", which will probably hit tomorrow or later today.

Hobodeluxe: CanisNoir: Yea because in a shooting war, Friendly Fire incidents never happen. I'd be making excuses for them as well.

I'm sure you would. that's the first thing that pops into your head as you realize your being shot at is "I'm sure they don't mean it"
Just because I'm hanging out with Russian soldiers trying to dig up dirt on them and then I see this happening from the other guys my need to report objectively goes out the window. Had this been Russians firing into a crowd I'm sure they would be excusing them too right?

First, I'm not a total fark member so I can't watch either of the video's, but actually my first thoughts would be to distance myself from the damn Russian Soldiers. Also, I would expect that if I'm hanging out with soldiers in the middle of a war, I might get shot at by thier opposition, which just happens to be my buddies, so yea I'd be explaining that and making excuses.

/People think *Propoganda* is an evil thing, but just like a gun, it's a tool that has it's uses, both good and bad. There's nothing wrong with propoganda when you're in a war, in fact it's almost damn neccesary if you hope to win.

RainDawg:
but then, I'm not a career Farker who feels the need to stare at these threads day in and day out mentally masturbating and pretending to be relevant.

Said as you spew the same garbage while pretending some sort of superiorty because you presumptively don't need to "stare at these threads" but feel an overwhelming need to publicly declare it on that same website. Brilliant logic champ. I reccomend a career as a Fox News analyst.

The US has been pushing these satellites to buy their stuff. their weapons,their missile shields,etc. All at the ire of Russia.
Remember when they gave Cuba missiles? Same thing in reverse.
They whisper in Shaklawhatever's ear that they will protect him if he buys their stuff. He gives McCain's people 800k for his pull in the senate committee. The with our coaxing he gets a little full of himself and decides he can kick the bear in the nuts. Somehow he got the impression we'd back him in this endeavor. (wonder how that happened?)
Now we have Poland wanting the missiles.
Ukraine is hanging in the balance too.

We are the one's making Russia react. Don't buy into the b.s.
We're acting without NATO over there. Bad move on Bush's part.

Hobodeluxe: The US has been pushing these satellites to buy their stuff. their weapons,their missile shields,etc. All at the ire of Russia.
Remember when they gave Cuba missiles? Same thing in reverse.
They whisper in Shaklawhatever's ear that they will protect him if he buys their stuff. He gives McCain's people 800k for his pull in the senate committee. The with our coaxing he gets a little full of himself and decides he can kick the bear in the nuts. Somehow he got the impression we'd back him in this endeavor. (wonder how that happened?)
Now we have Poland wanting the missiles.
Ukraine is hanging in the balance too.

We are the one's making Russia react. Don't buy into the b.s.
We're acting without NATO over there. Bad move on Bush's part.

As much as I hate to do this... Citation please - I know about the lobyist in McCains campaign but personally I think people are making way too big of a deal about that; I'd need a citation for the rest.

There's plenty of blame to dispense all around. There are never any winners in this kind of BS and the true losers are always the children, ALWAYS. Shepard Smith does not have the insight or the talent to present this sad angle. He's no Christiane Amonpoor and he never will come close to that quality of journalism. No surprise there.

How serious can this whole Russia Georgia thing be if Bush went on vacation yesterday?

Georgia has always been at war with east asia

Muta: How serious can this whole Russia Georgia thing be if Bush went on vacation yesterday?

Hard to say. IMHO I never really thought Bush was the thinker in this administration. I'm sure Cheney and Co. have a handle on things.
I was slightly alarmed at Russia's remarks about Poland but I am betting it's just a lot of chest beating and saber rattling.

Muta: How serious can this whole Russia Georgia thing be if Bush went on vacation yesterday?

this is McCain's time to shine. Bush passed him the baton.

supplying them with weapons

that is open aggression against russia. russia has not actually done anything to the united states.

where as Russia has hindered us in the UN and in Iran and any other way they can.



uh, no, they havent. their offer to enrich uranium for iran is the only plausible method we have to prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons. and they tried to use the UN to stop the invasion of iraq because they, like 90% of the world, realized it was a very bad idea.

"it's great to see you, welcome home"

*blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink*

"hmm. ok. hmmm. right. i would never cut you off, unfortunately a commerical break will take us there in four seconds"

RainDawg

but then, I'm not a career Farker who feels the need to stare at these threads day in and day out mentally masturbating and pretending to be relevant.

you're doing it wrong

Silly Georgians. They actually thought the republican administration would do anything besides some indignant handwriting. Cheney knows the Russians won't run away like the Iraqi army did.

I wonder if Fox keeps a store of emergency commercials when the interview goes in other directions than they planned.

J. Frank Parnell: They declared a cease fire and Russia is moving their troops out shortly. However, Russia is now pissed off about Poland being part of the US missile shield.

/just trying to keep political discussions current
//Round 2: Fight!

Does someone have a paper that they can wave about saying that we will have peace in our time?

J. Frank Parnell: JaMorg: really? The articles I read imply Russia is steadily moving on the Georgian capital DESPITE the ceasefire.

Nah, the Russians are claiming they have to stick around for a little while and clean up or something but that's it. Georgia appears to be in the clear for now. The media outlets are just trying to milk the last bit of drama out of the situation before they move on to "OMG Russia hates Poland", which will probably hit tomorrow or later today.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. If not, wow.

CanisNoir: /People think *Propoganda* is an evil thing, but just like a gun, it's a tool that has it's uses, both good and bad. There's nothing wrong with propoganda when you're in a war, in fact it's almost damn neccesary if you hope to win.

Not sure about it being necessary to win wars, but I know it's a requirement if you hope to keep them going.

Neurochemist: fark the Georgia president. He is to blame for causing all of this strife. fark McCain, and the Republican controlled media machine who is siding with Georgia because they are our allies.


nevermind the fact that georgian police officers were killed *one week* before georgia went in with everything they had, plus the shelling from the Ossetian side that those "peacekeepers" didn't try to stop. Nevermind that the Russian troops were ready in a hours' notice to move out, though it takes days for elite units, if not a week for regulars to get everything in order and move out.

And did Saakashvili start the conflict? no he did not, he has been trying to reach an agreement to grant those areas the autonomy that would put the spaniards in shame when it comes to the basques, or the russians regarding any of their "republics" in their federation.

Yes Sound: Wuphon's Dream: CanisNoir: Bicycle safety tip: There are two sides to this conflict? WTF? How will I know which "Support" bumper sticker to buy?? :(

Despite the sarcasm, the answer is plainly obvious, support Georgia. They are our allies, Russia is not.

Or are you the type to let your buddy get the shiat kicked out of him in a bar by three guys because he made the mistake of buying one of thier girlfriends a drink?

how about if your buddy raped the girlfriend?

Was she asking for it by wearing provocative clothing?

Nobody is innocent in this situation, but the way it went down its very apparent that it was a planned operation on Russias part.

well im sure Russia had operational plans for such an event... but by enacting a full response i think they got a little advantageous and stepped over a line

our response should be while we respect both nations borders Russias military response was justified but harsh and they now must peacekeep until a liveable solution can be decided at the UN

jonnypeh: Neurochemist: fark the Georgia president. He is to blame for causing all of this strife. fark McCain, and the Republican controlled media machine who is siding with Georgia because they are our allies.


nevermind the fact that georgian police officers were killed *one week* before georgia went in with everything they had, plus the shelling from the Ossetian side that those "peacekeepers" didn't try to stop. Nevermind that the Russian troops were ready in a hours' notice to move out, though it takes days for elite units, if not a week for regulars to get everything in order and move out.

And did Saakashvili start the conflict? no he did not, he has been trying to reach an agreement to grant those areas the autonomy that would put the spaniards in shame when it comes to the basques, or the russians regarding any of their "republics" in their federation.


Interestingly enough, the only winning element out of all of this is the U.S. after Poland suddenly stopped dragging their feet and signed the missile program agreement.
Coincidence?