But...but...Obama...

The market doesn't care about January 21st or the following 4 years as much as it cares about the next 15 minutes. ALWAYS.

I took the notion that the market is tanking in fear of an Obama presidency with as much of a grain of salt as I did in 2000 when liberals were saying the market tanked because it feared a Bush presidency. Which is to say a grain large enough to set out in a field and attract deer.

The market is tanking because Chimpy has been treating the Treasury like a farkin' ATM.

Fear 2.0^TM
GOP can't without it.

Other reality- legislation introduced by McCain's former financial adviser is what caused the housing burst in the first place.
And that, my friends, is not de-regulation we can believe in.

Nabb1: I took the notion that the market is tanking in fear of an Obama presidency with as much of a grain of salt as I did in 2000 when liberals were saying the market tanked because it feared a Bush presidency. Which is to say a grain large enough to set out in a field and attract deer.

Um, there is no comparison. Bush couldn't manage a single business that he ran. Including a sports team, and an oil business (one of the most lucrative business you can manage).

So... really we're talking about a grain of salt and a big ole block of salt.

Wall Street donates more to Obama, deployed troops donate more to Obama, troops in general donate more to Obama...

Not surprising. They know he doesn't have any pro-business leanings, so they are hoping they can buy some sense into him.

Wall Street isn't dumb. It knows a candidate it can buy when it sees one.

The First: GOP can't without it.

Can't what?

Fail.

Forget ideology.

Money donates to winners. Money always wants to be on the winning team. They believe Obama will win, ergo more money.

And for my finale:

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2004: Kerry 327 Bush 211

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2008: Obama 275 McCain 250

Once you eliminate all the people who are only claiming to support Obama so they can't be accused of being racist, I think you'll find that Michelle won't be picking out curtains any time soon.

FarkingSean: The First: GOP can't without it.

Can't what?

Fail.


Really? You couldn't figure it out by yourself? really?!?

FarkingSean: And for my finale:

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2004: Kerry 327 Bush 211

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2008: Obama 275 McCain 250

Once you eliminate all the people who are only claiming to support Obama so they can't be accused of being racist, I think you'll find that Michelle won't be picking out curtains any time soon.

Ya, that's right. People who are racist are coming out as Obama supports to prove something.

Which is... what exactly? Racists are fine being racists.

FarkingSean: Not surprising. They know he doesn't have any pro-business leanings, so they are hoping they can buy some sense into him.

Wall Street isn't dumb. It knows a candidate it can buy when it sees one.

That makes not one lick of sense.

Wanna know how racists talk about their support for Obama?

"Well, I'm not racist, but I don't really think a black man could become president so I'm supporting Hillary Clinton."

FarkingSean: And for my finale:

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2004: Kerry 327 Bush 211

Electoral Vote Predictor Aug 15th 2008: Obama 275 McCain 250

Once you eliminate all the people who are only claiming to support Obama so they can't be accused of being racist, I think you'll find that Michelle won't be picking out curtains any time soon.

You mean, ignoring the other three permutations that Electoral-Vote.com did that showed Bush winning easily, and the fact they labeled that one poll as an outlier?

I mean... you're not ignoring information that's not convenient to your point, are you? No... no. You wouldn't do that.

FarkingSean: Once you eliminate all the people who are only claiming to support Obama so they can't be accused of being racist, I think you'll find that Michelle won't be picking out curtains any time soon.

You mean the people you made up?

"Once you eliminate all the people who are only claiming to support Obama so they can't be accused of being racist"

I know you're just trolling but ill bite anyway.

People don't pretend to support someone to avoid being called racist. If someone really was worried about being called racist they would claim they were undecided.

But people who are bigoted will cling to flimsy excuses to avoid voting for a person they are bigoted againt. "Socialist", "he's racist because his preacher is scary" and "well kerry was winning then he lost so that means obama will lose too" all come to mind.

But I'm sure you knew all that already.

SilentStrider: Other reality- legislation introduced by McCain's former financial adviser is what caused the housing burst in the first place.
And that, my friends, is not de-regulation we can believe in.

Don't forget the little scandal in California involving Enron as well as a little matter of high oil prices in recent years. Notice that the Enron Loophole was closed and prices have been steadily dropping since.

If this is change, then I am all for it.

Sabyen91: FarkingSean: Not surprising. They know he doesn't have any pro-business leanings, so they are hoping they can buy some sense into him.

Wall Street isn't dumb. It knows a candidate it can buy when it sees one.

That makes not one lick of sense.

LOL

Republicans in their current ofrm pride themselves on not making rational sense.

Jesus Christ dumbasses, the only way a black guy with a Muslim name could EVER be elected president is the Republicans being completely irrational and out of touch. They have reached it.

In fact, they are so goddamn stupid they don't even realize they are driving people away in droves. LATER biatchES.

The Republican brand is dead, and it deserves to die. All is well...

FarkingSean: The First: GOP can't without it.

Can't what?

Fail.

That's what they typically do upon taking power, so yes.

Lol, conservatives have actually insinuated that. OH MAN! "No, couldn't possibly be our guy in the White House for the last 8 years, presidents don't have that kind of control over the economy. But merely the IDEA of Obama being president has caused our economy to crash!"

conservatives need to stop whining

RemyDuron: "No, couldn't possibly be our guy in the White House for the last 8 years, presidents don't have that kind of control over the economy. But merely the IDEA of Obama being president has caused our economy to crash!"

He's just that farking awesome. I've heard the Japanese worship him as more benevolent than the Emporer, and more powerful than Godzilla. They even named a city after him.

We saw what he could do to Yurup. Imagine what would happen if the guy went to Japan. Every single girl and guy in sailor moon would alleviate themselves of their panties.

He can do it for us guys. Think of the cosplayer panties.

sailor moon outfits.

In them.

That's it.

slobarnuts: RemyDuron: "No, couldn't possibly be our guy in the White House for the last 8 years, presidents don't have that kind of control over the economy. But merely the IDEA of Obama being president has caused our economy to crash!"

He's just that farking awesome. I've heard the Japanese worship him as more benevolent than the Emporer, and more powerful than Godzilla. They even named a city after him.

We saw what he could do to Yurup. Imagine what would happen if the guy went to Japan. Every single girl and guy in sailor moon would alleviate themselves of their panties.

He can do it for us guys. Think of the cosplayer panties.

Now i want to see a photoshop of Obama and McCain as Gozilla and American Iguanazilla (respectively) in Final Wars . . .

/One of two or three moments that actually make that piece of shiat worth watching.

Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Here's the thing then: How do you propose America begins to pay off all the debt she has accumulated?


I mean, the Republican plan always seems to be "Give money to rich people, and maybe they'll throw you some scraps". I'd rather soak the rich than the poor. Ordinarily I'd say that it wouldn't make sense to impoverish the non-wealthy otherwise who would buy the products of all your Patriotic Capitalists? But I realised rich people in America [hell everywhere] don't care about the nationality of who buys their stuff. So having bankrupted the people of this nation, there's so many more emerging markets for them to peddle their wares to. They don't need you regular Americans anymore. The last helicopter out of Nam just left.

Conservatives: The market is tanking due to fears of an Obama Presidency.
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Anything who actually thinks this and says it with a straight face, is an asshole. And stupid.

If Putin was running for US President, he'd be getting all the money from Wall Street. Hosts are trying to endear themselves to the parasites in the hope that they will be allowed to exist in any new communist US regime. Any presidential candidate who doesn't run on a platform of executing the parasites by the thousands on a daily basis shouldn't really even be considered for the presidency in this day and age, but unfortunately, both McCain and Obama are parasite extremists.

Sabyen91: The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

Because we should tax the people who produce more than the people who own capital.

Somehow, its fairer to tax Warren Buffet less than his secretary.

absoluteparanoia: Sabyen91: The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

Because we should tax the people who produce more than the people who own capital.

Somehow, its fairer to tax Warren Buffet less than his secretary.

Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

absoluteparanoia: Sabyen91: The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

Because we should tax the people who produce more than the people who own capital.

Somehow, its fairer to tax Warren Buffet less than his secretary.

I think your heart is in the right place but I don't think you understand capital gains. It is a progressive tax that targets those who have more.

absoluteparanoia: Sabyen91: The_Sponge: Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all.

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

Because we should tax the people who produce more than the people who own capital.

Somehow, its fairer to tax Warren Buffet less than his secretary.

You do realize you NEVER pay taxes on a home you own if you live in it, right? I know there is a lot of right-wing propoganda out there about the estate tax and capital gains. What do you know about the capital gains tax?

Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Um, that's kind of my point. Think about it slowly.

Take your time.

Sabyen91: You do realize you NEVER pay taxes on a home you own if you live in it, right?

False.

Sabyen91: What do you know about the capital gains tax?

For starters: the definition. You should look into it.

Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Warren's secretary would pay capital gain's taxes if that person sells stocks at a profit, and can't offset it by up to $3000 in losses, IIRC. Likely that secretary would buy and sell a few stocks, and probably gets a few tips from Warren.

IronTom: Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Warren's secretary would pay capital gain's taxes if that person sells stocks at a profit, and can't offset it by up to $3000 in losses, IIRC. Likely that secretary would buy and sell a few stocks, and probably gets a few tips from Warren.

It's a matter of record that she derives most of her income from a salary. Ergo, she pays a higher tax rate than Warren who makes it from moving money around.

Sabyen91 seems to be under the impression that owning a house is somehow a capital gain, and is seemingly unaware of property taxes, or reality.

donations != votes

If they did, Ron Paul would be King of the Universe by now.

Yes, the market is reacting right now to an election result that isn't in, and a budget that hasn't even been drafted. Because the market is really that fragile, and investors are skittish little birds who watch Presidential poll results.

Yes, that damn, dirty, Liberal media. How can we be so blind?

I am impressed by the power that Obama has to make Wall Street so afeared. He's got them so scared on the premise that he might win, that folks are quaking in their boots.

Never mind the financial new, the banks that may be tanking, the oddness in the Middle East and the Caucuses. Nope. That probably has nothing to do with it.

Sabyen91: You do realize you NEVER pay taxes on a home you own if you live in it, right?


Never? Then how come I pay property taxes on my condo?

/My parents were recently hit with a 100% increase on their property taxes.

absoluteparanoia: IronTom: Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Warren's secretary would pay capital gain's taxes if that person sells stocks at a profit, and can't offset it by up to $3000 in losses, IIRC. Likely that secretary would buy and sell a few stocks, and probably gets a few tips from Warren.

It's a matter of record that she derives most of her income from a salary. Ergo, she pays a higher tax rate than Warren who makes it from moving money around.

Sabyen91 seems to be under the impression that owning a house is somehow a capital gain, and is seemingly unaware of property taxes, or reality.

Um, no, I made the point that her owning a house and selling it is NOT a capital gain. You are the one who said it was false that you never pay capital gains on a house that you live in and sell.

IronTom: Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Warren's secretary would pay capital gain's taxes if that person sells stocks at a profit, and can't offset it by up to $3000 in losses, IIRC. Likely that secretary would buy and sell a few stocks, and probably gets a few tips from Warren.

Yeah, so, she obviously doesn't pay capital gains. No secretary is going to gain 3 grand on stocks no matter what absoluteparanoia believes.

The_Sponge: Sabyen91: You do realize you NEVER pay taxes on a home you own if you live in it, right?


Never? Then how come I pay property taxes on my condo?

/My parents were recently hit with a 100% increase on their property taxes.

Oh, Christ, you know I was talking about capital gains. It is the fricking point of the thread.

absoluteparanoia: IronTom: Sabyen91: Warren's secretary does NOT pay capital gains.

Warren's secretary would pay capital gain's taxes if that person sells stocks at a profit, and can't offset it by up to $3000 in losses, IIRC. Likely that secretary would buy and sell a few stocks, and probably gets a few tips from Warren.

It's a matter of record that she derives most of her income from a salary. Ergo, she pays a higher tax rate than Warren who makes it from moving money around.

Sabyen91 seems to be under the impression that owning a house is somehow a capital gain, and is seemingly unaware of property taxes, or reality.

You can keep acting like a right-wing tool. Not surprising to me...or you can stop the acting.

Dude, are you slow?

Sabyen91

The_Sponge: "Increasing the capital gains tax is a bad idea.

/That is all."

Why? Because it is a progressive tax?

No, because most of my farking income is from capital gains.

absoluteparanoia: Dude, are you slow?

No, you are the guy claiming the person who owns the home and sells it pays capital gains. THAT is slow.