wow.

That's ... that's terrible.

Go USA.

Sigh.

Why would a dead guy want access to his wife and children?

This: They denied him a wheelchair and refused pleas for an independent medical evaluation.

Is only made less shiatty by this: On Tuesday, with an autopsy by the Rhode Island medical examiner under way, his lawyers demanded a criminal investigation in a letter to federal and state prosecutors in Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Vermont, and the Department of Homeland Security, which runs the detention system.

I hope heads farking roll.

Eugh. Horrific.

=(

Cry me a farking river. If you don't want the mix up, be white.

Its pretty simple.

The system works. Clearly.

The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me. I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here. If he had asked to go back and could buy his plane ticket to get there, then we should have let him go. Otherwise, STFU and follow the law when you're on our soil.

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me. I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here. If he had asked to go back and could buy his plane ticket to get there, then we should have let him go. Otherwise, STFU and follow the law when you're on our soil.

They let him die a slow death from cancer in a cell.

Why do you have to be such a supreme asshole about it?

I have trouble figuring out why we go so hard against legal immigrants who make some mistake on some technicality but turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants who have not even attempted to follow the law.



It makes zero sense to be persecuting people who are trying over a technicality while leaving the border like a sieve.

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me. I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here. If he had asked to go back and could buy his plane ticket to get there, then we should have let him go. Otherwise, STFU and follow the law when you're on our soil.

He did follow the law. Learn to read.

Nothing to see here, Citizen. Move along.

Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

uatuba: I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here.

You don't think willfully allowing someone to die in pain from spinal cancer is "actively harming someone?"

Soon, according to court papers, he had to rely on other detainees to help him reach the toilet, bring him food and call his family; he no longer received painkillers, because he could not stand in line to collect them. On July 26, Andy Wong, a lawyer associated with Mr. Cox, came to see the detainee, but had to leave without talking to him, he said, because Mr. Ng was too weak to walk to the visiting area, and a wheelchair was denied.

How about willfully moving him out of the state for one day to avoid habeas corpus? Is that OK with you too?

If this is the best our country can do we have failed.

USA! USA! USA! U... eh fark it. I can't keep it up even in jest. This is farking sick.

SpeshilEdjukashin: Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

I have no problem with the detention of an illegal immigrant, however the inhumane treatment inside the facility should result in some new criminal charges being filed.

SpeshilEdjukashin: Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

Congrats. You've amazed me with how big of an asshole some people can be.

I'd say RTFA, but it won't change anything.

I Said: He did follow the law. Learn to read.

FTFA

But when Mr. Ng, who had overstayed a visa years earlier

Talk about reading comprehension.

While I think what happened is deplorable and disgusting, you shouldn't make aspirations without foundation.

SpeshilEdjukashin: Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

Goddam it. You too?

Look, the article is right there. Short of coming to your house and reading it to you, we can't make it any simpler. Just RTFA. Then, if you feel in some way that what happened was "less then a travesty", I think most people are willing to have a rational discussion. But please: RTFA.

Wanebo: While I think what happened is deplorable and disgusting, you shouldn't make aspirations without foundation.

Further down: Born in China, he entered the United States legally on a tourist visa. Mr. Ng stayed on after it expired and applied for political asylum. He was granted a work permit while his application was pending, and though asylum was eventually denied, immigration authorities did not seek his deportation for many years.

Then on page two: In 2001, a notice ordering him to appear in immigration court was mistakenly sent to a nonexistent address, records show. When Mr. Ng did not show up at the hearing, the judge ordered him deported. By then, however, he was getting married, and on a separate track, his wife petitioned Citizenship and Immigration Services for a green card for him - a process that took more than five years. Heeding bad legal advice, the couple showed up for his green card interview on July 19, 2007, only to find enforcement agents waiting to arrest Mr. Ng on the old deportation order.

My reading comprehension is fine thank you. I just committed the crime of reading the entire goddam thing, which is apparently frowned upon.

Wanebo: While I think what happened is deplorable and disgusting, you shouldn't make aspirations without foundation.

I think most people are reacting to the part after that:

TFA: went to immigration headquarters in Manhattan last summer for his final interview for a green card, he was swept into immigration detention and shuttled through jails and detention centers in three New England states.

In April, Mr. Ng began complaining of excruciating back pain. By mid-July, he could no longer walk or stand. And last Wednesday, two days after his 34th birthday, he died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in a Rhode Island hospital, his spine fractured and his body riddled with cancer that had gone undiagnosed and untreated for months.

People on death row get better treatment than that.

uatuba, SpeshilEdjukashin and Wanebo:

Born in China, he entered the United States legally on a tourist visa. Mr. Ng stayed on after it expired and applied for political asylum. He was granted a work permit while his application was pending, and though asylum was eventually denied, immigration authorities did not seek his deportation for many years.

...

In 2001, a notice ordering him to appear in immigration court was mistakenly sent to a nonexistent address, records show. When Mr. Ng did not show up at the hearing, the judge ordered him deported.


He followed the law. The law farked up.

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me.

Sorry buddy, but basic human decency and human rights apply to all on the nation's soil.

That means you don't neglect people and leave them to die in immigration detention. Being in detention should not equal a death sentence.

For that matter, you don't do that to people in prison, either.

I Said: I just committed the crime of reading the entire goddam thing, which is apparently frowned upon.

You should also look up the other accounts showing this travesty. His visa expired. He overstayed, Found an (apparent) love of his life and got married. Applied for citizenship and was picked up on the overstayed visa warrant.

But apparently that doesn't matter because you just read the NYT simple abreviated version and can't see between the lines of "overstayed the visa" and assume that he's been trying to be totally legal all the time.

Where do you draw the line?

/And I still think what happened here was very, very, crappy.

Gecko Gingrich: In 2001, a notice ordering him to appear in immigration court was mistakenly sent to a nonexistent address, records show. When Mr. Ng did not show up at the hearing, the judge ordered him deported.

Are you saying that he had no clue that he was overstaying the stamp in his passport?

That's pretty hard to believe.

Wanebo: Where do you draw the line?

Before horrific mistreatment leading to death?

You are not legally a human!

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind

I'm surprised you think you actually have a mind.

Wanebo: You should also look up the other accounts showing this travesty. His visa expired. He overstayed, Found an (apparent) love of his life and got married. Applied for citizenship and was picked up on the overstayed visa warrant.

But apparently that doesn't matter because you just read the NYT simple abreviated version and can't see between the lines of "overstayed the visa" and assume that he's been trying to be totally legal all the time.

When a story gets linked to Fark, my MO is to read the headline, read the story, then comment. I do not run all over doing research for accuracy, that's their editors job.

As for the visa being expired, they were handling that through legal channels, not (according to the story, because I don't know them personally so I can't comment otherwise) hiding under the radar. The gov. sent a notice for a deportation hearing to the wrong address. Now either the story is completely false or the gov. is wrong and this guy is an innocent victim of a horrible fark up. The gov. admits the notice for the hearing was sent to the wrong address and, since they hadn't pursued deportation prior (as they were trying to legally keep him here) he didn't break the law.

snuff3r: Before horrific mistreatment leading to death?

Please to see "horrible and disgusting" above.

Well, overstaying IS a violation. If they wanted to insist that he be deported for some length of time before starting over with the wife's petitioning for a spousal visa (and eventually a green card), well, that is the law, and not only in the US either.

However, visa overstaying should not be punishable by DEATH.

Hell, the guy's crime is irrelevant - the treatment described in TFA (and others in the series) just Not Okay even for prison, if this is a civilized country.

But, when it DOES come to immigration crime, it's a status crime. That's it. These aren't violent criminals or the type of people who would ordinarily be sent to supermax or anything - if they had gotten arrested for such things, they wouldn't BE in ordinary immigration detention.

It's interesting to notice that the cases in the article happened in privatized corporate prisons, too.

I Said: When a story gets linked to Fark, my MO is to read the headline, read the story, then comment. I do not run all over doing research for accuracy, that's their editors job.

It's not news. It's Fark.com.

Wanebo: Please to see "horrible and disgusting" above.

I read that but you asked where the line was. I was drawing said line.

The man had terminal cancer.

I can't understand why they just didn't release him to his family so he could spend he last days on earth with his family.

I mean, fark, we give that priviledge to murders and other harden crimminals.

keytronic: The man had terminal cancer.

I can't understand why they just didn't release him to his family so he could spend he last days on earth with his family.

I mean, fark, we give that priviledge to murders and other harden crimminals.

They didn't know he had cancer until 3 days before he died. they just let him rot in pain until a judge made them provide medical attention.

Wanebo: Are you saying that he had no clue that he was overstaying the stamp in his passport?

That's pretty hard to believe.

I'm saying that he was under the impression he was appealing that decision and therefore was given a stay of deportation until it was resolved.

Wow, that story got extra emotional at the end, kind of removed a bit of journalistic integrity there, but ... that is pretty much what happens when you put uncaring people in charge of another's life. All it takes is one person to give a shiat, seriously.

Gwendolyn: They didn't know he had cancer until 3 days before he died. they just let him rot in pain until a judge made them provide medical attention.

Yeah. But even AFTER THAT, when they found out he had only those few days left, they keep him in detention and try to deny his family visiting.

That's just sadistically insane.

Well, I feel safer.

/too shameful
///too sad

Gecko Gingrich: I'm saying that he was under the impression he was appealing that decision and therefore was given a stay of deportation until it was resolved.

Just a mite bit of fact checking will show that he simply applied for citizenship after marrying a US citizen, a simple immigration check showed an outstanding warrant for an immigration violation, and he was then detained.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Why would a dead guy want access to his wife and children?

Brains...

Jesus...can we have at least ONE feel-good story from my home state for a change?

Wanebo: ust a mite bit of fact checking will show that he simply applied for citizenship after marrying a US citizen, a simple immigration check showed an outstanding warrant for an immigration violation, and he was then detained.

He wouldn't be alone, though. There are lots of people who don't seem to realize that past immigration violations can and will fark up future attempts to get visas, even when those future attempts are 100% legitimate and with all necessary requirements filled.

Again, not only in the US either.

But given some of the talk I've seen about such subjects, I wouldn't be surprised if he got some bad advice either from an employer or a misinformed but overly optimistic lawyer, either. Plus, he himself would definitely "want to believe" and in such situations, people can get really crazy optimistic.

Either way though, the guy could have been a hard-core criminal and STILL not deserved the treatment he got. Detention isn't supposed to be a death sentence, and so yeah, I think some investigation and hopefully punishments get handed out over this whole deal (and others like it).

Wanebo: Just a mite bit of fact checking will show that he simply applied for citizenship after marrying a US citizen, a simple immigration check showed an outstanding warrant for an immigration violation, and he was then detained.

Well fark him then. They should have dragged him out of his house into the street, shot him in the head in front of his family, left them to clean up the body and charged them for the bullet.

/BTW, I just wanted to let you know that the two times you've implied that he only got married for old "marry a citizen" trick weren't missed. Bravo. Keep up the good work.

Welcome to the People's Republic of Amerika.

I honestly don't think we as a country are ever going to get any better.


/// very sad indeed.
/// ashamed to be American these days

itazurakko: I wouldn't be surprised if he got some bad advice either from an employer or a misinformed but overly optimistic lawyer

FTFA: Heeding bad legal advice, the couple showed up for his green card interview on July 19, 2007, only to find enforcement agents waiting to arrest Mr. Ng on the old deportation order.

Could someone tell me one good thing that has resulted from the formation of the Department of Homeland Security?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


/married an immigrant
//best thing i ever did
///she fills my life with slashies

itazurakko: However, visa overstaying should not be punishable by DEATH.

Hell, the guy's crime is irrelevant - the treatment described in TFA (and others in the series) just Not Okay even for prison, if this is a civilized country.

QFT. Treatment as described is a travesty and should result in criminal charges, and not just to a couple of low-level grunts.

/Former "prison guard."

Gecko Gingrich: /BTW, I just wanted to let you know that the two times you've implied that he only got married for old "marry a citizen" trick weren't missed.

Not meant to imply. Only the ICE does pay attention to that and gives it minor course for a previous immigration law violater.