The irony of someone complaining about Apple telling musicians how much their music is worth when I'm sure that all of the music labels do the same thing is priceless.

Also, fear of progress is not necessarily a virtue.

/can't remember if I'm using "irony" correctly, but I also don't care if I'm not.

SphericalTime: The irony of someone complaining about Apple telling musicians how much their music is worth when I'm sure that all of the music labels do the same thing is priceless.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that.

THAT song is a huge hit?

SphericalTime: fear of progress is not necessarily a virtue.

FIFY

Fear of progress results in stuff like the dark ages and terrible movie sequels.

JerseyTim: THAT song is a huge hit?

The gym I go to has been running it into the ground lately, along with a small handful of others ("Pork and Beans" and "I Kissed a Girl" come to mind)

Progress for progress sake is what will kill things internet/computer related. When artists can't make a living selling what they create, we all lose.

All this means is you'll get nothing for your song, and you might have gotten whatever iTunes was going to give you. I'll buy a song, I won't buy an album for one song. Not when there are so many other places to get music.

King Something: FIFY

Fear of progress results in stuff like the dark ages and terrible movie sequels.

Right. That's what I meant. Sorry about that.

Jebus that man is homely.

/What article?
//got distracted by that pic.

kid rock isn't dead from hepatitis yet? didn't he sleep with pam anderson?

charmed1782: All this means is you'll get nothing for your song, and you might have gotten whatever iTunes was going to give you. I'll buy a song, I won't buy an album for one song. Not when there are so many other places to get music.

I think what people fail to realize is that while the RIAA is a monopoly of sorts, iTunes has become the same. It's able to set prices, push certain artists, etc. It's no better, really. It's just another Wal-Mart.

On a side note, I think the internet has screwed over the arts and appreciation for the arts. Or it is a long way from realizing its potential.

I have bought more music in the last two years through iTunes than I had bought in the previous 10 in "brick and mortar" stores. Most of the music has been artists I searched out, not glossy "ads" meeting me at the home page.

iTunes can only help a musician in my opinion.

I can't stand Kid Rock anyway, so it's no loss to me

Holden C: I have bought more music in the last two years through iTunes than I had bought in the previous 10 in "brick and mortar" stores. Most of the music has been artists I searched out, not glossy "ads" meeting me at the home page.

iTunes can only help a musician in my opinion.


I agree. There are lots of positives in iTunes and the like. But when the $$ coming into the musician or artist is not all that much...or nil, art suffers. I think a lot of what I said in my previous post has to do with the place of art in our culture. I think we've all sort of lost our way, in that respect. Maybe not you, but a lot of us.

Then again, I've been monstrously ill for the past few days and have enough medicine in me to kill an elephant. So, maybe I'm not the best judge of anything right about now.

King Something:Fear of progress results in stuff like the dark ages

That's funny, I thought it was the progress of the Huns, Goths, Visigoths, Dacians, Scythians, et al, that brought about the Dark Ages. Guess that's what I get for not being illiterate.

Ah, Kid Rock, who isn't a kid and doesn't rock.

Can I just say that Kid Rock needs to be run out of the country for sampling Zevon? That is all.

Jeez, I heard that song today for the first time and would never have guessed it was Kid Rock. I thought it was some lame ass pop/country hack. Who would have guessed it was lame ass Kid Rock.

/the song is really bad
//Bryan Adams bad

SphericalTime: The irony of someone complaining about Apple telling musicians how much their music is worth when I'm sure that all of the music labels do the same thing is priceless.

Yeah, this.

Also, does he really think people are going to be running to the store en masse to get his album?!? Or pay for an entire album when they really only want one song?? He's KID ROCK, for Christ's sake.

I heard this song at a bar the other night. It's Kid Rock, eh?

I want to punch him.

burndtdan: kid rock isn't dead from hepatitis yet? didn't he sleep with pam anderson?

You don't actually know anything about Hepatitis C, do you?

Tsunami Ditka: Also, does he really think people are going to be running to the store en masse to get his album?!? Or pay for an entire album when they really only want one song??

According to the article, people are running to the store en masse. Thus, validating his point in his mind.

Groups of people often seem to be stupid.

here's something even more ironic - I wanted this song. it wasn't on iTunes. So i got it off limewire.

What they never bother to mention is that artists rarely make much off album sales regardless of how they are sold. They only get a few pennies per unit sold. All the money is made from touring.

I too was unaware of this song until I rtfa, and after hunting down the video on YouTube I have to say that it is perhaps the most unimaginative rock song I have ever heard. Take a title from the Beach Boys, samples from two classics that have the same chord changes and mix 'em together, add your own lyrics that sound like a dumbed down version of Bob Seger's "Night Moves," and voila, instant forgettable middle of the road summer hit. It is a hit because people like what is familiar, and nothing could be more familiar than the components of this song. If that's all it takes, then you all should be listening to my hit next summer called "Summer in the City," which will be a mash-up between "Brown Eyed Girl" and "American Pie," with lyrics inspired by Otis Redding's "Dock of the Bay." AND I will gladly put the song up for sale on iTunes.

Kid Rock, showing us why our country is dumbed down to the point of serious retardation.

flaminglip: alacy52: What they never bother to mention is that artists rarely make much off album sales regardless of how they are sold. They only get a few pennies per unit sold. All the money is made from touring.

Kinda.

Read this Link

Great article.

And really hammers home the point on the RIAA/label side being in the wrong. I also think the same holds true for the internet. Once you take out what iTunes gets coupled with peer2peer, you're looking at band making about the same...or less. The internet has done nothing but muddy the waters of what was so clearly stated in that article.

Of course, we can pull out exceptions on both sides, but the fact remains...artists farked.

flaminglip: Martstar

Allow me to buy you a beer.

OK, you're allowed. And I'll return the favor for further disseminating the wonderful Steve Albini article. It should be required reading for any band thinking about signing on the dotted line.

"I thought I made a great record to begin with," says Rock, adding that he knew from the get-go that "All Summer Long" was destined to strike a chord. "

Uh, no Mr. Rock. You did not "make" a great record. Nothing about it is yours or unique. You took probably two of the biggest and most recognizable hits of the early 70's, mashed them together and sung over it with the full intention of riding the dead asses of at least two great musicians into Moneyville.

/Choo choo!

Drove cross country last week, so I listened to the radio for the first time in years.
This song and some "I Kissed a Girl" song is all that was played. It was farking horrid.

KRock.

Rev. Skarekroe: burndtdan: kid rock isn't dead from hepatitis yet? didn't he sleep with pam anderson?

You don't actually know anything about Hepatitis C, do you?

And you?


It's rare but not unheard of.

/the more you know
//remember, this is PAM ANDERSON and KID ROCK we're talking about
[so the monogamous, mission position study they did probably doesn't apply here]

WrongTrousers: Rev. Skarekroe: burndtdan: kid rock isn't dead from hepatitis yet? didn't he sleep with pam anderson?

You don't actually know anything about Hepatitis C, do you?



Ooops.

Linky (new window)

Leave Kid Rock alone... he's just trying to make Lenny Kravitz $$$, the Lenny Kravitz way

/making thoroughly derivative music: it's not just for pretty 20-year-olds anymore.

I've never heard the song, and it's a hit? Huh? I don't think the album even came out here - can't say I even knew he had a new album out.

It's a pretty crap song. One of those excruciating mullet-inspiring butt rock songs I despise.


/goes back to listening to NIN and old Portishead.

King Something: Fear of progress results in stuff like the dark ages and terrible movie sequels.

newmoonpuppyhead: Progress for progress sake is what will kill things internet/computer related.

Fight!

that song farking blows.

While we were trying different things
And we were smoking funny things

words DO NOT rhyme with themselves... that's like the number one sign of a bad songwriter... and i don't mind Kid Rock (some of his stuff)

The song is just plain bad, and while everyone knows Sweet Home, I'm really going to hate playing the Warren Zevon riff at a bar and hearing some (albeit, younger) jackass scream "yeah! Kid rock!!"

/okay.... done ranting
//seriously, name me a good song where a word rhymes with itself, and i'll concede

I heard that song two too many times.

farking tripe.

AntiNorm: JerseyTim: THAT song is a huge hit?

The gym I go to has been running it into the ground lately, along with a small handful of others ("Pork and Beans" and "I Kissed a Girl" come to mind)

i was at the local pool this weekend and heard this song. The pool was filled and I could barely hear the music they were piping in.

I looked at my wife and asked if someone had remade "werewolves of london" (i kept waiting to hear the "AAAAWWWWOOOOOO"). She told me this was a new Kid Rock song based on "Sweet Home Alabama". She wasn't aware of the Zevon connection.

Read this article and about cried when I found out he had taken both of these songs and did this to them....

C-Lane: that song farking blows.

While we were trying different things
And we were smoking funny things

words DO NOT rhyme with themselves... that's like the number one sign of a bad songwriter... and i don't mind Kid Rock (some of his stuff)

The song is just plain bad, and while everyone knows Sweet Home, I'm really going to hate playing the Warren Zevon riff at a bar and hearing some (albeit, younger) jackass scream "yeah! Kid rock!!"

/okay.... done ranting
//seriously, name me a good song where a word rhymes with itself, and i'll concede

THIS. This is a true sign of a hack. The only comparable horrible rhyme I have heard recently is Kayne rhyming "Told Ya" with "Isotoner". Those words don't even come close to rhyming.

I gotta stop letting my wife listen to Sirius Hits 1 when I am in the car.

newmoonpuppyhead: Holden C: I have bought more music in the last two years through iTunes than I had bought in the previous 10 in "brick and mortar" stores. Most of the music has been artists I searched out, not glossy "ads" meeting me at the home page.

iTunes can only help a musician in my opinion.


I agree. There are lots of positives in iTunes and the like. But when the $$ coming into the musician or artist is not all that much...or nil, art suffers. I think a lot of what I said in my previous post has to do with the place of art in our culture. I think we've all sort of lost our way, in that respect. Maybe not you, but a lot of us.

i am increasingly sad seeing my indie snobby record store i love shrinking and shrinking its inventory. but, i have to say, digital music, with a searchable store like i-tunes, is great.

musicians likely aren't getting any money directly from your purchasing their songs, no matter how you do it. if you really love them, go to their show. buy a cd there, and some other stuff, if you are so inclined.

I bet most people that hear this 'song' on the radio don't even get the Zevon connection. I think they mostly hear or are aware of Sweet Home Alabama.

This is such a god damn brutal song to listen to. I fully expected Kid Rock to be laughed out of the spotlight once and for all for this piece of shiat. I am completely shocked and disgusted to find out that this song is not only tolerated, but somehow enjoyed by a significant number of people.

I just came in here to say:

"B...b...but teh artists make their money from touring and live shows!!!11! Music Should be free!11!! If they can't make their money from teh live showz, then they r teh suXxorz!!11!1"

as a new owner of said kid rock album ROCK AND ROLL JESUS, i enjoyed reading all your biatchin about kid rock. well, the album is pretty enjoyable to listen to. i agree that song, All Summer Long, is being played way, weiiiiiiighhh too farkin much, several other songs are quite tasty. LTFA. DUH!!

another thing. i stupidly bought this album at wal mart. major mistake. i can't believe kid rock lets them sell the edited version. that is just not right. the bleeped out the words way too often. this is censorship and it pisses me off. the bleeped "asshole" i hear worse language on fricken NICKTOONS. come on, give me a break. (john stossel referance) never bying music at wal mart agian.

Not releasing the song on iTunes is only going to hurt himself...

Also the internet has been the best thing for artists since the record. Free publicity, instantly share your music with everyone in the world.

/not a fan of Kid Rock

Well growing up in 'Small Town', MI, while meeting all of the descriptives in the verse to that song, and being a fan of Lynyrd Skynryd, I have to say that song is awesome. But to me the song would be awesome despite who's singing it. It's the lyrics (again, to me) that make it an awesome song and when I heard it for the first time I teared up with nostalgia. Really.

So while there are a lot of Kid Rock haters (I'm not especially warmed up to him myself), you gotta give him credit for releasing a song that will touch on things people can identify with.

And as I look back now,
That summer seemed to last forever,
And if I had the chance,
Yeah I'd always wanna be there,
Those were the best days of my life.

Tourney3p0: Drove cross country last week, so I listened to the radio for the first time in years.
This song and some "I Kissed a Girl" song is all that was played. It was farking horrid.

Two words: Satellite Radio.