Good move, Obama.

/seriously

Gee. FTFA...

"Obama's said that his two daughters should not be given preferential treatment, owing to their relatively privileged upbringing, and has called for government to "craft" a policy "in such a way where some of our children who are advantaged aren't getting more favorable treatment than a poor white kid who has struggled more."

Yeah. That's just flipping and flopping there. Addressing some of the things that folks have been complaining about for awhile. Damn. How dare he?

FTA: An analysis of surveys by the Pew Pew Pew Research Center for the People and the Press shows....

FTFY

For those of you trying to understand the campaign in Li'l Abner terms:

How is this a shift? Can anyone point me to any policies or statements of Obama's that do not agree with Obama's current policy statement?

OMG, Obama said something that disagrees with our fragile strawman! It must be a flip flop!!

"Obama's said that his two daughters should not be given preferential treatment, owing to their relatively privileged upbringing,

He has a dream....

Atillathepun: How is this a shift? Can anyone point me to any policies or statements of Obama's that do not agree with Obama's current policy statement?

OMG, Obama said something that disagrees with our fragile strawman! It must be a flip flop!!

You're surprised? This happened with the Iraq War flip flop. Once the media found out he favored a 16-month withdrawal (which he has been for all along) they assumed that he was for immediate withdrawal before they found out the actual plan.

Don't you know, one of the core values of this country is refusing to ever stray one bit from the status quo. How dare a potential leader of ours put forth an idea that suggests he is actually thinking about reality?

has he kept ANY opinions from the primaries until now?

first campaign financing, drilling offshore, troop withdrawal from Iraq, NAFTA, wiretaps, banning handguns, social security reform and campaign debates, georgia, and now this!

good luck getting that whole citizenship problem "fixed" in Hawaii, your marxist shiathead.

EABOD, submitter.

Wait, I feel an Obama flip-flop coming on.



EABOD, submitter.

Holy farking god, there is nothing about a policy position change anywhere in that article.

Keep trying, though. If you say it enough, it might come true.

Obama's said that his two daughters should not be given preferential treatment, owing to their relatively privileged upbringing

Seems a little to late for that now, doesn't it?

/Would that be an oxymoron or irony?

captain_napalm: has he kept ANY opinions from the primaries until now?

first campaign financing, drilling offshore, troop withdrawal from Iraq, NAFTA, wiretaps, banning handguns, social security reform and campaign debates, georgia, and now this!

good luck getting that whole citizenship problem "fixed" in Hawaii, your marxist shiathead.


If you had any intention of being honest with yourself and the world, you'd have figured out that there isn't any "this."

Good luck getting that whole literacy problem "fixed."

Relatively Obscure: Good luck getting that whole literacy problem "fixed."

good luck getting your party's electability problem fixed.

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he's against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I'm not done with the last two weeks yet....

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

* McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

And these are the flip-flops I've noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

* McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

* McCain said he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

One F Jef: * McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he's against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I'm not done with the last two weeks yet....

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

* McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

And these are the flip-flops I've noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

* McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.


* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunt ...

Thats about how far I could get before the stupidity made my brain asplode

See me after class

Wow, a plank shift I approve of. I'm pleasantly surprised to hear about this one.

the difference is that barack "obama"* changed his opinions between the primary and election. rather transparently, I might add.

* - for two more weeks

Apparently adaptability is now considered poor judgment. Is it asking a lot to grow up just a minute amount?

captain_napalm: good luck getting your party's electability problem fixed.

Did you sleep through the midterm elections or something? And through the special elections since then?

captain_napalm: the difference is that barack "obama"* changed his opinions between the primary and election. rather transparently, I might add.

Ok. So what was Sen. Obama's stance on affirmative action during the primaries?

Obdicut: captain_napalm: good luck getting your party's electability problem fixed.

Did you sleep through the midterm elections or something? And through the special elections since then?

Apparently, the only elections that actually count are the ones the GOP wins.

Hi Ace:

Continue misrepresenting McCain if that is the best you can do.

As an attorney you must be able to see both sides which, it becomes clear, John can. (By your own admissions)

blackminded: Ok. So what was Sen. Obama's stance on affirmative action during the primaries?

you mean before we was the "presumptive nominee"?

"This administration sought to slam the doors of higher education in the face of African Americans and other minorities. It's a sad day for the cause of equal opportunity when the President of the United States, the land of opportunity, calls for the Supreme Court to rule against policies that seek to open institutions for historically excluded racial minorities,"

-barack barry hussein soetero obama

as for a position, you're acting as if he ever has one on anything.

One F Jef: * McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he's against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.



* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunt ...

Well done, sir.

Seriously, worst campaign I've seen in a while. I mean, I thought Kerry's was bad...but this is like, Dole-level shiat.

hubiestubert: Gee. FTFA...

"Obama's said that his two daughters should not be given preferential treatment, owing to their relatively privileged upbringing, and has called for government to "craft" a policy "in such a way where some of our children who are advantaged aren't getting more favorable treatment than a poor white kid who has struggled more."

Yeah. That's just flipping and flopping there. Addressing some of the things that folks have been complaining about for awhile. Damn. How dare he?

Yes, let the gov'ment get more involved in whats fair.

Ohio State has a program called "Young Scholars". Poor, black, hispaninic and Appalachian (white poor people) get a free ride to tOSU if they attend summer programs from 4th grade on and maintain a certain grade level.

captain_napalm: barack barry hussein soetero obama

You know my name is Daniel but people call me Dan and my grandma calls me Danny. HOW DARE I????!!!!

FTFA: "I don't think he is missing an opportunity on affirmative action," said Clyburn. "Affirmative action ought never to be used on simply color," he continued. Rather, it is needed " when the color of one's skin puts one in a position of being treated unequally."

Bickers, though, believes race-based affirmative action works against Obama: "It racializes the campaign in a sense that Obama has been trying to avoid."

Yes. Heaven forbid that we hear the subject of affirmative action from the perspective of an actual minority who may have personally benefitted from it,and who acknowledges the problem of racism in the present.

Wouldn't we be better off hearing the subject of affirmative action discussed from the perspective of rich white people who insist that racism is no longer an issue because they personally have not enslaved anyone and have not personally used the n-word?

captain_napalm: WHARRGARBL

schrodinger: Bickers, though, believes race-based affirmative action works against Obama: "It racializes the campaign in a sense that Obama has been trying to avoid."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - but he'll tell us he doesn't look like the guys on the currency.

Our choices are Obama or McCain. Obama's going to have to do a hell of a lot worse than slightly modify or reword his position on something he's not even going to have the power to affect anyway to make McCain more favorable. Eating a live bald eagle would be a start.

captain_napalm: has he kept ANY opinions from the primaries until now?

first campaign financing, drilling offshore, troop withdrawal from Iraq, NAFTA, wiretaps, banning handguns, social security reform and campaign debates, georgia, and now this!

good luck getting that whole citizenship problem "fixed" in Hawaii, your marxist shiathead.

Heh. Trolled by the Submitter. Nice jorb.

Not a flip-flop. Do your homework.

This is what he has said all along. No change whatsoever in his stance. Subby is a liar

If this is Obama's actual position, then I'm glad he switched.

But each day it's looking less and less like either candidate has a strong position on anything.

This is shaping up to be the only race I can remember that I will probably base my vote on the VP choice.

Should be interesting.

I only skimmed the article. What I got from it was that he was previously "for" ethnic based affirmative action, and now he is more inclined for an income based AA. Did I get it right?

If so, yes he did make a shift on his position (flip-flop, if you will), but its a good one, in my opinion.

/Not voting for Obama.
//FWIW

Mugato: Eating a live bald eagle would be a start.

No, that would just show he's a strict traditionalist, upholding the ideals of Ben Franklin, who believed that we should eat eagle at thanksgiving and turkey should be the national bird.

Since 2004, the first black major party nominee from either party has been offering comments suggesting that economic status should match or even trump race and gender as a criteria for who should benefit from the program - though he has yet to propose a specific policy, let alone one that matches his rhetoric.

FLIP FLOPPER!

AFRICAN MUSLIM!

SCARY FOREIGN DIFFERENT BAD!

That term makes me stabby.

Take a piece by a news organization about Obama's position on a subject, write headline that claims it's a flip-flop and green light.

libertylad: That term makes me stabby.

Would you prefer "flap-jacking"?

captain_napalm: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - but he'll tell us he doesn't look like the guys on the currency.

He never said that.

LordJiro: captain_napalm: WHARRGARBL

That is all you can really say to the guy. He makes stupid statements, we own him with sources and researched facts, he tries to change the subject and starts trolling about something else.

Stating opinions is one thing, being an absolute troll is completely different.

Theaetetus: Mugato: Eating a live bald eagle would be a start.

No, that would just show he's a strict traditionalist, upholding the ideals of Ben Franklin, who believed that we should eat eagle at thanksgiving and turkey should be the national bird.

That and eating what you kill is considered honorable by some.

It would be better if he shot the eagle and then wiped his ass with it.

67 Beetle: But each day it's looking less and less like either candidate has a strong position on anything.

Keyword here is "looking". Book cover and all that.

Obama has always had this position because he said whats the point of affirmative action if black and latino kids aren't making the grade in school. This is old news but the bigots like Capt. NumNuzPalm can't help himself from complaining. Other folks here disagree about Obama policies but he can't help himself with his hatred.

//Capt. NumNuzPalm's next outrage: all the basketball players on the US Mens Olympic team are Black

Ace Attorney Habeas Corpus
//go Pats '08
//embrace the Habeas

//Im just messing with you. That was a funny thread.

Frank N Stein: What I got from it was that he was previously "for" ethnic based affirmative action, and now he is more inclined for an income based AA. Did I get it right?

No. He is shifting THE rhetoric, not HIS rhetoric.

B-b-b-but, but, but McCain...

*YAWN*