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(The Local (Sweden)) Misc Sweden Godwins the Russia-Georgia conflict   (thelocal.se) divider line 114
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Sir Roderick Glossop 2008-08-09 10:00:45 PM  
So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

 
followmeinfantry 2008-08-09 10:10:37 PM  
They will still be neutral. They are a little too close for comfort to Russisa.

 
Lionel Mandrake [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 10:32:08 PM  
Oh, is Sweden going to remain "neutral" and supply Russia with war matériel?

 
Chach 2008-08-09 10:34:23 PM  
I believe those Swedes mean "invoke," not "evoke."

Pet peeve?

 
Mart Laar's beard shaver 2008-08-09 10:35:31 PM  
For those who don't know him, Carl Bildt's stones are brass plated. I wish he could be in the U.S. cabinet.
He'd be a better SecDef than we've had in many a year.

 
simpsonfan 2008-08-09 10:36:11 PM  
Russia must be scared now, they have Sweden mad. Once the Bahamas get on Russia's case, that'll be the end of it.

 
joegekko 2008-08-09 10:36:20 PM  
This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

 
TeddyRooseveltsMustache [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 10:37:30 PM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.

 
Malinki 2008-08-09 10:39:16 PM  
So what's their Fark ID?

 
mryoop789 [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 10:40:16 PM  
www.wooyayhoopla.be

 
Witty Handle 2008-08-09 10:41:51 PM  
joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

Good job! You didn't forget Poland!

 
Oznog 2008-08-09 10:42:33 PM  
Except this time it's not about protecting an ornamental tree or how a class in public school is conducted or getting a burger how you ordered it. A city is literally being shelled and civilians are literally being killed in their homes. "Literally" in the literal sense, not as in "OMG I literally died of embarrassment right there"

 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 10:44:03 PM  
Is the Swedish bikini team somehow involved?

 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 10:44:44 PM  
joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

It will be if Turkey invades from the other side because they want to expand their territory at the same time too.

I mean to defend their Sovereignty. Yeah. That's it. Sovereignty.

 
AR55 2008-08-09 10:48:15 PM  
joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

It's even more funny considering that Russia invaded Poland a month after Germany.

 
sozelle 2008-08-09 10:49:03 PM  
Subby FAILS. Making a coherent argument using a historical fact to draw a parallel to a current crisis is NOT the same as saying "b-b-b-b-but Hitler!" Should we learn and remember nothing?

 
swahnhennessy 2008-08-09 10:50:26 PM  
sozelle: Subby FAILS. Making a coherent argument using a historical fact to draw a parallel to a current crisis is NOT the same as saying "b-b-b-b-but Hitler!" Should we learn and remember nothing?

You starch your underwear, don't you?

 
sozelle 2008-08-09 10:51:18 PM  
I swahnhennessy: sozelle: Subby FAILS. Making a coherent argument using a historical fact to draw a parallel to a current crisis is NOT the same as saying "b-b-b-b-but Hitler!" Should we learn and remember nothing?

You starch your underwear, don't you?


I prefer bleach, and lots of it.

 
Noam Chimpsky 2008-08-09 10:52:33 PM  
"We did not accept military intervention by Milosevic's Sserbia in other Yugoslav states on the grounds of protecting Serbian passport holders,"

Now that is just superfluous godwining there.

 
Isildur 2008-08-09 10:53:27 PM  
Godwin's Rule is usually invoked when someone hyperbolically makes such a comparison, signalling that the conversation has fled the land of reasonable discourse, making further debate pointless. In this case, for once the comparison is not really so hyperbolic...

There are no "Let's round up Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and political opponents and gas them" or "let's take over the world" parallels to the Nazis here, but it would be difficult not to notice certain echoes of the Sudeten Crisis.

 
The_Fuzz 2008-08-09 10:53:39 PM  
sozelle: I swahnhennessy: sozelle: Subby FAILS. Making a coherent argument using a historical fact to draw a parallel to a current crisis is NOT the same as saying "b-b-b-b-but Hitler!" Should we learn and remember nothing?

You starch your underwear, don't you?

I prefer bleach, and lots of it.


Just try to keep it away from your Vagina. It appears sand has already taken up residence there. Sand and bleach are arch nemesis. But you already know that.


/if that didn't make any sense, it's because I am a few sheets to the wind right now. Currently.

 
Mrbogey 2008-08-09 10:57:53 PM  
AR55: joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

It's even more funny considering that Russia invaded Poland a month after Germany.


Russia has always been a land of opportunists. Had Hitler not back-stabbed Stalin, they'd have been BFF4Evar. Even then there's the distinct possibility Joe would have back-stabbed Adolph anyway and taken the Eastern Bloc.

 
Vanis 2008-08-09 10:58:32 PM  
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.


Sorry, when was this?

 
TheRedMonkey 2008-08-09 10:59:02 PM  
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.


I guess a little war in 1812 has been forgotten.

 
wmoonfox 2008-08-09 11:00:08 PM  
It's not a Godwin if it fits, sumbitard. I would think one militarily vastly superior nation trampling the sovereign rights of another via unrestricted warfare, using a platform of excuses that at least resembles that of the long-dead dictator, falls somewhere within the vicinity of acceptability as far as Hiter-comparisons go.

 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:00:19 PM  
What's Turkey or Azerbaijan have to say on this one? They're next.

 
TehNacho [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:00:44 PM  
TheRedMonkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.

I guess a little war in 1812 has been forgotten.


They also forgot WW2.

Didn't Canada participate in Korea?

Iraq also?

 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:02:23 PM  
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.


Ummmm how about 1812, The Boer War, World War I, World War II, Korea, and then peace keeping. So yeah, we've been neutral since like 1955 but even then we're siding with the UN.

Now can't we all just get along and watch some toight gymnasts do their floor routine?

 
Vanis 2008-08-09 11:03:04 PM  
TehNacho: TheRedMonkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.

I guess a little war in 1812 has been forgotten.

They also forgot WW2.

Didn't Canada participate in Korea?

Iraq also?


We've pretty much been in all of them with the exception of Iraq and Vietnam.

 
JRinOKC 2008-08-09 11:03:57 PM  
I like the image with the fatty fish story further down the page.
i89.photobucket.com

 
The_Fuzz 2008-08-09 11:04:58 PM  
TehNacho: TheRedMonkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.

I guess a little war in 1812 has been forgotten.

They also forgot WW2.

Didn't Canada participate in Korea?

Iraq also?


Well, anything before WWII Canada was sorta forced to participate in, on account of the Brits being able to tell us what to do.

 
Lionel Mandrake [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:06:22 PM  
Tr0mBoNe: What's Turkey or Azerbaijan have to say on this one? They're next.

Azerbaijan...former Soviet Republic...rich in oil and natural gas...the only obstruction is that (I believe) the population is fairly homogeneous. I'm not aware of any portions that would rather be "Russia" than "Azerbaijan." Unlike South Ossetia.

 
TehNacho [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:07:50 PM  
Vanis: TehNacho: TheRedMonkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

The only country on earth that's actually ever been close to neutral is Canada.

I guess a little war in 1812 has been forgotten.

They also forgot WW2.

Didn't Canada participate in Korea?

Iraq also?

We've pretty much been in all of them with the exception of Iraq and Vietnam.


Quiet Canuckistanian, Amurcans I talking.

/kidding

 
12monkeys 2008-08-09 11:09:01 PM  
Sweden Godwins ROTSKYS the Russia-Georgia conflict

FTFY
/sorry, Pete poof.

 
exatron 2008-08-09 11:09:04 PM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

I thought it was Switzerland that was famously neutral.

/It's a beige alert, sir.

 
AR55 2008-08-09 11:09:14 PM  
Mrbogey: AR55: joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

It's even more funny considering that Russia invaded Poland a month after Germany.

Russia has always been a land of opportunists. Had Hitler not back-stabbed Stalin, they'd have been BFF4Evar. Even then there's the distinct possibility Joe would have back-stabbed Adolph anyway and taken the Eastern Bloc.


You know it's funny that you bring that up.

Most Historians come to the conclusion that the Soviets were in a position that welcomed any allies that weren't Capitalist (nearly all Western nations), they viewed Capitalists as the true enemy of the State and welcomed Germany. The Nazis probably benefited the most out of the relationship. A lot of their Officers in the military and SS were trained on Russian territory, to avoid those accords after WW1 (name is skipping a beat).

I doubt that they would remain BBF4EVAR. Hitler hated the Russian, and Himmler saw them as lesser humans. He always intended to invade Russia, where else would Hitler get his Lebensraum?

When Germany became their ally a lot of the Intellectuals left the Communist party in most countries. After that moment the Communist movement never gained the original momentum that they had while under Lenin.

 
gund 2008-08-09 11:12:48 PM  
wmoonfox: It's not a Godwin if it fits, sumbitard. I would think one militarily vastly superior nation trampling the sovereign rights of another via unrestricted warfare, using a platform of excuses that at least resembles that of the long-dead dictator, falls somewhere within the vicinity of acceptability as far as Hiter-comparisons go.

I'm confused, you talking about Iraq or Georgia?

The South Ossetians are like the Kurds. Independent for about 15 years from Georgia and Saddamm respectively. They want reunification with Russia, the USA can fark off.

 
JonnyBGoode 2008-08-09 11:15:06 PM  
Wasn't Sweden allied with Germany in WWII? So they really don't have much of a moral high ground to stand on, do they?

 
Mrbogey 2008-08-09 11:15:46 PM  
gund: I'm confused, you talking about Iraq or Georgia?

The South Ossetians are like the Kurds. Independent for about 15 years from Georgia and Saddamm respectively. They want reunification with Russia, the USA can fark off.


Correct my faulty memory...but I do not recall an invasion by the US or UN to secure the kurdish population from Saddam. I seem to remember we just created a no-fly zone and watched them from the borders. I don't seem to recall tanks rolling through Kurdistan on the way to Baghdad.

 
CowboyUpCowgirlDown 2008-08-09 11:16:06 PM  
Putin is three times crazier than Hitler was, and has the Napoleon Complex to boot. That said, he lacks the weapons production capability or the legions of technocrats necessary to achieve the efficiency of Germany's Wehrmacht.

He could have been a contender without the breakup of the U.S.S.R. but he's not going to put it together simply by annexing Georgia.

Putin is a big bully in a big pond, and it won't be long until somebody takes him out.

 
joegekko 2008-08-09 11:17:06 PM  
Tr0mBoNe: joegekko: This long? I mean, this is only almost a blow-by-blow replay of Germany invading Poland.

It will be if Turkey invades from the other side because they want to expand their territory at the same time too.


Well, what with Abkhazia making a bid to push out the Georgians, too, they are certainly distracted enough to fall for the Turk.

 
Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:18:09 PM  
I can't remember what Sweden did during WWII. But I have this vision of really tall, well dressed blond people chasing after the Russians with battle axes or some such.

/The Hammer of the Gods
//Will drive our Ikea-furnished ships to new lands...

 
Annoyance 2008-08-09 11:18:46 PM  
JonnyBGoode: Wasn't Sweden allied with Germany in WWII? So they really don't have much of a moral high ground to stand on, do they?

Wasn't your mother a whore? That's not very good moral high ground either.

 
TehNacho [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:19:04 PM  
Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I can't remember what Sweden did during WWII. But I have this vision of really tall, well dressed blond people chasing after the Russians with battle axes or some such.

/The Hammer of the Gods
//Will drive our Ikea-furnished ships to new lands...


I don't think they did very much other than secure their borders and gear up for if they got attacked.

 
AR55 2008-08-09 11:19:49 PM  
JonnyBGoode: Wasn't Sweden allied with Germany in WWII? So they really don't have much of a moral high ground to stand on, do they?

Sweden is the Whore that farks everyone and gets away with it. They helped Finland from the Soviets, gave iron ore to the Nazis, took over 8,000 Jews as refugees, and collaborated with the Allies.

 
OriginallyDC 2008-08-09 11:20:51 PM  
Rightly so.

 
TehNacho [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 11:21:09 PM  
JonnyBGoode: Wasn't Sweden allied with Germany in WWII? So they really don't have much of a moral high ground to stand on, do they?

Link (new window)

 
Oznog 2008-08-09 11:21:46 PM  
AR55: JonnyBGoode: Wasn't Sweden allied with Germany in WWII? So they really don't have much of a moral high ground to stand on, do they?

Sweden is the Whore that farks everyone and gets away with it. They helped Finland from the Soviets, gave iron ore to the Nazis, took over 8,000 Jews as refugees, and collaborated with the Allies.


And dey took our jerbs!!!

 
Jim Morrison's Corpse 2008-08-09 11:22:22 PM  
exatron: Sir Roderick Glossop: So, when this turns into full-blown war they will or will not be neutral on this go-round?

I thought it was Switzerland that was famously neutral.

/It's a beige alert, sir.


I'm Canadian with Swiss heritage so I'd form an opinion on the issue but...meh

/tell my wife I said...hello

 
Byno 2008-08-09 11:24:57 PM  
www.neebone.co.uk

 
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