"Wording that broad allows university administrators to silence speech they don't agree with," said Hacker. "This is a speech code that has teeth and that chilled speech on campus."


well duh - why do you think the lefties wrote it in the first place?

Sounds like someone has some sand in their vaginer.

Tr0mBoNe: Sounds like someone has some sand in their vaginer.

most of the feministas infesting college campuses are a VERY small but extremely vocal sub-set of the feminst movement. IMHO they give the concept/ideology an undeserved bad name. That aside, they're also extraordiarily intolerant of different opinions. So much so that they push very very hard to punish anyone who dares disagree with them in public. Policies like this one are typical of the breed.

submitter: Court overturns Temple University's sexual harassment policy for being too broad

I see what you did there, submitter.

I go to temple so...kicks,etc.

I could go for a sammich right now.

I rarely laugh at Fark headlines. This one hit the right button.

Might even have given a +1 if you could have worked 'it better be open when the biatch brings it' into the headline.

Many attempts to regulate sexual or offensive speech infringe on free speech. Radical feminists are not particularly concerned about others' rights. Campus administrators are often beholden to ridiculous pressure groups because of the stifling miasma of political correctness.

"Wording that broad allows university administrators to silence speech they don't agree with," said Hacker. "This is a speech code that has teeth and that chilled speech on campus."

Another situation where Hacker exposes flaw with code.

ElLoco: Might even have given a +1 if you could have worked 'it better be open when the biatch brings it' into the headline.

Liters can vote now?! Who's next, women?

Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

Weaver95: most of the feministas infesting college campuses are a VERY small but extremely vocal sub-set of the feminst movement.

eh...most of them aren't that small.

Waaah waaah waaah another idiot crying about free speech. Maybe if he wasn't such a rapist in training he wouldn't have to worry so much about sexually assaulting others with his hateful words. Plus he's a right winger so that right there should tell you that he's guilty of something.

Superjew: Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

It sure wasn't righties that wrote the offending policy.

GIS for broad:

smooshie: ElLoco: Might even have given a +1 if you could have worked 'it better be open when the biatch brings it' into the headline.

Liters can vote now?! Who's next, women?

On occasion, I get sponsored for being brilliant, an arrogant ass, a low-brow jerk, a hillbilly, an elitist coont or any combination of the above.

I vote... intermittently.

"You can't say or do anything cause MY VAGINA!"

There is a rumour amongst western women that if you address everybody like a ten year old boy that they are supposed to stare at their feet like one.

It's not true.

I know, let's all just use the constitution, get our noses out of each others asses and direct our sense of indignity at the clown show governments we're stuck with.

Headline of the Year Candidate.

Definitely.

This is great for Penn students as well, because they can call black women Water Buffaloes again.

Hey no offense, but does anyone really know what happened?

It could be "stupid sexual harassment policy"

But the school is claiming it was:

"Precious snowflake sues over bad grade."

And it's not clear from the article which it is.

Who lives in the east 'neath the willow tree
Sexual Harassment Panda!
Who explains sexual harassment to you and me
Sexual Harassment Panda!
Don't say that, don't touch there
Don't be nasty says the silly bear
He's come to tell you what's right and wrong
Sexual Harassment Panda!

"Why, that's a terrible thing. I don't know how many time I've told those boys, never call chicks broads."

Typical White Person: Superjew: Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

It sure wasn't righties that wrote the offending policy.

It sure wasn't lefties that have passed the incredible number of constitution-breaking laws prohibiting free speech over the last 7 years, or invented the anti-american concept of "free speech zones", outside of which, apparently, free speech isn't allowed, or engaged in literally thousands of other speech-chilling actions, etc etc etc.

You're nothing more than a tool, and a pretty dull one at that. Back to Rove's boudoir with you.

nucal: This is great for Penn students as well, because they can call black women Water Buffaloes again.

I'm not sure what your point is, but no one called black women "water buffalo" because they were black. One person called a bunch of rowdy jerks, water buffalo, because in that person's culture, that's what you call rowdy jerks.

That they were black, or women, had nothing to do with that.

You know that, right?

What was wrong with the policy to begin with? All the article mentions is how anyone with who says anything that could possibly be offensive to someone is wrong, what it just that, or was there more to it?

also...

Superjew: Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

When it comes to your freedoms, the only one the rightwing cares about limiting is your freedom of religion (as long as you're free to be a christian their happy) It's the Left that I've notice is eager to kill freedom to own guns because anyone with a gun is a killer, freedom of speech, so no one can get offended and I've even heard some want to limit the right to vote so that only right those who will make the correct choice is allowed to vote (some would say the Electoral College is in place just for that reason). Not all the evil policies in this country are from the right, the left plays just as dirty.

Weaver95: Tr0mBoNe: Sounds like someone has some sand in their vaginer.

most of the feministas infesting college campuses are a VERY small but extremely vocal sub-set of the feminst movement. IMHO they give the concept/ideology an undeserved bad name. That aside, they're also extraordiarily intolerant of different opinions. So much so that they push very very hard to punish anyone who dares disagree with them in public. Policies like this one are typical of the breed.

Unfortunately they also infest the faculty ranks 'from pre-school to grad school', and at best most admins don't have the spine to tell them to piss off and in fact many admins are sympathetic or supportive of them.

Pretty much it will take a generation of women seeing what is happening to their sons' education to fix the problem. A man standing up pointing out the inequities boys face is pretty much written off as fast as a pita activist at a Texas bbq.

Superjew: It sure wasn't lefties that have passed the incredible number of constitution-breaking laws prohibiting free speech over the last 7 years, or invented the anti-american concept of "free speech zones", outside of which, apparently, free speech isn't allowed, or engaged in literally thousands of other speech-chilling actions, etc etc etc.

Sadly, I have to acknowledge that there will be free speech zones at the DNC convention. Us Democrats now seem to like them as well.

Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Superjew: It sure wasn't lefties that have passed the incredible number of constitution-breaking laws prohibiting free speech over the last 7 years, or invented the anti-american concept of "free speech zones", outside of which, apparently, free speech isn't allowed, or engaged in literally thousands of other speech-chilling actions, etc etc etc.

You're nothing more than a tool, and a pretty dull one at that. Back to Rove's boudoir with you.

Ouch. That really hurts me, you angry hippy.

Your concept of free speech apparently is limited to crazy libs spouting any shiat, any damn time or place they like. Unfortunately for you, this is planet earth and it doesn't work that way. I know you really don't like it, but that's tough. Get over yourself, douche.

Superjew: It sure wasn't lefties that have passed the incredible number of constitution-breaking laws prohibiting free speech over the last 7 years, or invented the anti-american concept of "free speech zones", outside of which, apparently, free speech isn't allowed, or engaged in literally thousands of other speech-chilling actions, etc etc etc.

It sure wasn't the Righties who push the Fairness Doctrine, not offending women, not offending Muslims, not offending minorities, not offending gays, removing any mention of God from public spaces, political correctness, campus speech codes, and hate speech laws.

There's plenty of blame on both sides.

/small-l libertarian

Typical White Person: Superjew: Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

It sure wasn't righties that wrote the offending policy.

This has nothing to do with "left vs right" and everything to do with "authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian." Stop buying into the strawmen of "evil lefties/righties trying to steal your freedom" and recognize this for what it is, power-tripping fanatics who can't live in a world where other people might say something they don't like trying to impose their worldview on everyone else.

/Count me as left-wing and anti-authoritarian.

Superjew: Riiiight. Lefties want to chill speech. Keep on keeping it real there, Weaver95.

Hey Superjew, I'm jewish too, probably not as super. And proudly liberal.

But part of that, and being Jewish, is looking at reality, and the reality is, that many groups with support from the left, do indeed wish to stifle speech. And very often, that is coming from radical feminist groups (and other putative liberals).

Shadow University, the betrayal of liberty on america's campuses

The Shadow University, written by two long-time friends and civil liberties advocates -- one more liberal, the other more conservative -- illuminates the attack on liberty that has dominated our nation's college campuses for nearly two decades.

This book shows how the best aspects of the 1960's -- free speech, equality of rights, respect for private conscience, and a sense of undergraduate liberties and adult responsibilities -- have died on our campuses. What is left of that heady decade are its worst part: self-appointed "progressives" who seek to enforce moral and political orthodoxies through abuse and coercion rather than reason. In a nation whose future depends upon an education in freedom, colleges and universities are teaching the values of censorship, self-censorship, and self-righteous abuse of power.

The Shadow University, published by The Free Press in hardcover in 1998 and, the following year, by HarperPerennial in paperback -- both still in print -- is yet more relevant since 9/11. Faculty members who eagerly dismantled the structures of liberty in the 1980s and 1990s have now discovered that one reaps what one sows, and that censorship is a weapon that, if tolerated, all sides may use. If the past twenty years proves anything, it is that liberty is non-partisan and an essential way of being human, morally, politically, and intellectually.

The Shadow University is an urgent call to all those concerned with liberty -- liberals, conservatives, and everything in between -- to join together in defense of liberty for the next generation, by restoring free speech, equality of rights, fair procedures, and respect for private conscience and individuality on our colleges and universities.

Hypergeek_1984: This has nothing to do with "left vs right" and everything to do with "authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian." Stop buying into the strawmen of "evil lefties/righties trying to steal your freedom" and recognize this for what it is, power-tripping fanatics who can't live in a world where other people might say something they don't like trying to impose their worldview on everyone else.

/Count me as left-wing and anti-authoritarian.

On college campuses, the authoritarian rule is pretty much exclusively from the left. I won't excuse the right from their bullshiat, but the left runs the academic world.

RoyBatty: One person called a bunch of rowdy jerks, water buffalo, because in that person's culture, that's what you call rowdy jerks.

The person's name was Eden Jacobowitz. Is that a Jewish name? I guess I didn't realize that rowdy jerks were considered water buffaloes was a part of Jewish culture ...

nucal: RoyBatty: One person called a bunch of rowdy jerks, water buffalo, because in that person's culture, that's what you call rowdy jerks.

The person's name was Eden Jacobowitz. Is that a Jewish name? I guess I didn't realize that rowdy jerks were considered water buffaloes was a part of Jewish culture ...

I dunno about the rest of you, but 'water buffalo' sounds like your calling someone a fatass to me.

Typical White Person: ollege campuses, the authoritarian rule is pretty much exclusively from the left. I won't excuse the right from their bullshiat, but the left runs the academic world.

I pretty much have to agree. I saw it less among the professors but some of the most authoritarian people I have ever met were on the fringe left in university. However they were so left that they'd disappeared from the rational spectrum of discourse. Both sides of the isle have black sheep in their ideological family indeed.

nucal: RoyBatty: One person called a bunch of rowdy jerks, water buffalo, because in that person's culture, that's what you call rowdy jerks.

The person's name was Eden Jacobowitz. Is that a Jewish name? I guess I didn't realize that rowdy jerks were considered water buffaloes was a part of Jewish culture ...

Maybe you should research the issue before posting on it that way you won't look like such an ignorant farking dumbasss, or worse, a pathetic anti-semite.

http://www.shadowuniv.com/excerpts-wb1.html

The whole case took on a new light, however, when the world-renowned Israeli scholar, Dan Ben-Amos, whose field was African folklore, replied. "What would water buffalo have to do with Africans or African-Americans?" he asked. Informed about the facts of the case, Ben-Amos asked if the student were Israeli or spoke modern Hebrew. Learning that Eden's parents were both Israeli and that he had attended a Hebrew-language high school, Ben-Amos explained that "Behema was Hebrew slang for a thoughtless or rowdy person, and, literally, could best be translated as 'water buffalo.' It has absolutely no racial connotation." When Kors asked Jacobowitz, "what's the first thing that comes into your mind if I say 'behema,'" Eden said, "Wow...that's amazing. In my yeshiva, we called each other behema all the time, and the teachers and rabbi would call us that if we misbehaved." He supplied a list of students and teachers from his school who would be glad to testify about it.

Through Ben-Amos, Penn's speech code now occasioned a sustained scholarship on the term behema. Jastrow's Dictionary of the Targumim, the Talmud Babli and Yerushalmi, and the Midrashic Literature offered, as the first definition of the term, "water-ox." Brown's Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, translated behema as "ox of the water." Dahn Ben-Amotz's (no relation) World Dictionary of Hebrew Slang defined the term behemott in the plural of biblical Hebrew as "water-cows and cattle" and, from modern Hebrew, as people of thoughtless behavior.

Michael Meyers, the visionary black leader of the New York Civil Rights Coalition and a member of the National Board of the ACLU, had worked on race relations for twenty-five years--in particular, black-Jewish tension. Asked about "water buffalo" as a racial epithet, he said (and wrote), "I have never heard the term 'water buffalo' used as a racial epithet." He also agreed to testify to this. Crucially, he suggested that Kors call Deborah Leavy, the executive director of the Pennsylvania ACLU, who agreed that she and Stefan Presser, the General Counsel of the Pennsylvania ACLU, would join the case pro bono on Eden's behalf. Leavy added, "My father-in-law calls people behema all the time." Eden now had two legal teams behind him. After hearing the details of the case, Arnold and Sonya Silverstein, two attorneys of Kors's acquaintance, had offered to represent Eden pro bono, providing the first ray of hope that Penn might be forced by the rule of law to honor its own policies in this case. A similar offer came from the lawyer in charge of the Civil Rights Committee of the Eastern Pennsylvania Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith after an exchange of letters with Penn.

At this point, no one in the mainstream media was familiar with the case, but a growing number of professors were responding with outrage. Kenny Williams, a renowned scholar of American Literature at Duke University, had replied to an inquiry about "water buffalo" that if Eden had wanted to use a racial epithet, there was, sadly, a vast lexicon from which to choose. "Water buffalo," she noted, was not one of them. "How in the world," she asked, "can anyone find racism or racial intent in that term?" She put it perfectly: "What is perhaps most disturbing about this matter is the assumption...that a word...will mean whatever a particular thought-control officer will deem language to mean....Language will cease to have any communicative value.' Williams, who is black, saw another dimension to the case:

On a personal level, what is more disturbing...is the ability of some administrator ... to define (in effect) an entire race and to introduce another racial term into language .... This is the real racism .... The student did nothing wrong, and if the students who were called "water buffalo" didn't like it, they should have merely stated that fact and in the process taken their noise making activities elsewhere! Young people have a marvelous ability to solve their own problems. Issues of racism are too serious to be treated frivolously by administrators.15

stupid nappy headed ho's they should be in the kitchen

nucal
The person's name was Eden Jacobowitz. Is that a Jewish name? I guess I didn't realize that rowdy jerks were considered water buffaloes was a part of Jewish culture ...

From the article you linked to:

The phrase "water buffalo" is a rough translation of a Hebrew word meaning a foolish person, maintained Jacobowitz, who was born in Israel and whose native language is Hebrew.

Typical White Person: Hypergeek_1984: This has nothing to do with "left vs right" and everything to do with "authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian." Stop buying into the strawmen of "evil lefties/righties trying to steal your freedom" and recognize this for what it is, power-tripping fanatics who can't live in a world where other people might say something they don't like trying to impose their worldview on everyone else.

/Count me as left-wing and anti-authoritarian.

On college campuses, the authoritarian rule is pretty much exclusively from the left. I won't excuse the right from their bullshiat, but the left runs the academic world.

It's pretty much this. The liberals and the sexist feminist subset control education, the right and the latent sexist 'masculists' control the business world.

RoyBatty: Hey no offense, but does anyone really know what happened?

It could be "stupid sexual harassment policy"

But the school is claiming it was:

"Precious snowflake sues over bad grade."

And it's not clear from the article which it is.

I RTFA, and it is hard to say if this was related to the case he brought before, in which he said he was screwed out of his Master's degree because he is a conservative. Does anybody know if this is related?

In any case, the policy does sound vague. Most sexual harassment policies are better written than this one, and would have stood up in court.

logictwisted: Typical White Person: Hypergeek_1984: This has nothing to do with "left vs right" and everything to do with "authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian." Stop buying into the strawmen of "evil lefties/righties trying to steal your freedom" and recognize this for what it is, power-tripping fanatics who can't live in a world where other people might say something they don't like trying to impose their worldview on everyone else.

/Count me as left-wing and anti-authoritarian.

On college campuses, the authoritarian rule is pretty much exclusively from the left. I won't excuse the right from their bullshiat, but the left runs the academic world.

It's pretty much this. The liberals and the sexist feminist subset control education, the right and the latent sexist 'masculists' control the business world.

And they ALL want to control what we think and how we act.

Typical White Person: Hypergeek_1984: This has nothing to do with "left vs right" and everything to do with "authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian." Stop buying into the strawmen of "evil lefties/righties trying to steal your freedom" and recognize this for what it is, power-tripping fanatics who can't live in a world where other people might say something they don't like trying to impose their worldview on everyone else.

/Count me as left-wing and anti-authoritarian.

On college campuses, the authoritarian rule is pretty much exclusively from the left. I won't excuse the right from their bullshiat, but the left runs the academic world.

I graduated in May from a university with a fairly sizable number of left-leaning students and academics, so I know all to well about left-wing political correctness in academia.

My point is that if you want to combat infringements on freedom of speech, you'll have better luck targeting the authoritarian attitude driving the attempt to limit freedom of speech, and not the ideology that's being used to justify the attempt. Framing the debate as "sins of the left vs sins of the right" will more often than not just result in ideological flamwars with little meaningful debate.

I consider myself a socialist, but I'll gladly support and help any libertarian, conservative, liberal, etc, who values freedom of expression as a corner stone of a democratic society.

nucal: The person's name was Eden Jacobowitz. Is that a Jewish name? I guess I didn't realize that rowdy jerks were considered water buffaloes was a part of Jewish culture ...

surprisingly it is

The whole case took on a new light, however, when the world-renowned Israeli scholar, Dan Ben-Amos, whose field was African folklore, replied. "What would water buffalo have to do with Africans or African-Americans?" he asked. Informed about the facts of the case, Ben-Amos asked if the student were Israeli or spoke modern Hebrew. Learning that Eden's parents were both Israeli and that he had attended a Hebrew-language high school, Ben-Amos explained that "Behema was Hebrew slang for a thoughtless or rowdy person, and, literally, could best be translated as 'water buffalo.' It has absolutely no racial connotation." When Kors asked Jacobowitz, "what's the first thing that comes into your mind if I say 'behema,'" Eden said, "Wow...that's amazing. In my yeshiva, we called each other behema all the time, and the teachers and rabbi would call us that if we misbehaved." He supplied a list of students and teachers from his school who would be glad to testify about it.

I'll gladly support and help any libertarian, conservative, liberal, etc, who values freedom of expression as a corner stone of a democratic society.

Terrorist!

Typical White Person:
Your concept of free speech apparently is limited to crazy libs spouting any shiat, any damn time or place they like. Unfortunately for you, this is planet earth and it doesn't work that way. I know you really don't like it, but that's tough. Get over yourself, douche.

Well I must say, everyone else made very cogent points about left-leaning ideologues engaging in speech-chilling actions in academia. Which I guess is what we're talking about, after all. Good show.

The above reply, however, is from far-right-field, and only serves to illustrate the rabid baseless name-calling tactics that appear from the right when they're in the wrong and can't admit it. Nothing in my post indicates that I hold beliefs anything like what TWP attributes to me, and is a classic case of conservative fear-projection and mud-slinging.

My original post was only a reponse to uber-troll Weaver95's insinuation that it's the left that typically engages in this kind of bullshiat. I should know better, and so should all of us.

logictwisted:

It's pretty much this. The liberals and the sexist feminist subset control education, the right and the latent sexist 'masculists' control the business world.

Not as far as speech is concerned they don't. You'll find the same standard for speech codes and "broad" definitions for harrassment in any white collar enviroment.

Hypergeek_1984: My point is that if you want to combat infringements on freedom of speech, you'll have better luck targeting the authoritarian attitude driving the attempt to limit freedom of speech, and not the ideology that's being used to justify the attempt. Framing the debate as "sins of the left vs sins of the right" will more often than not just result in ideological flamwars with little meaningful debate.

That's going to happen regardless of how careful you are. If you point out the problems with a bunch of lefties being a bunch of reactionary politically correct jackholes, the jackhole lefties will spew something about george bush and tell you to shut up in the name of freedom. If you point out the problem with a bunch of right wingers being all corporate facist, they'll sue you 'till you bleed out, then bury your dessicated corpse in a 'free speech zone' while pondering a way to work this whole sordid affair into their next $500-per-sneaker marketing campaign.

Nobody likes to admit that our universities are becoming less free. we all would like to think it's the fault of 'the other guy'. But the fact of the matter is that we, as a society, are becoming more and more intolerant of different ideas. Not only do we have to shut down 'the other guy' but we have to hate them as well. We see this at all levels of society, not just in schools. And its getting worse.

Superjew: My original post was only a reponse to uber-troll Weaver95's insinuation that it's the left that typically engages in this kind of bullshiat. I should know better, and so should all of us.

So you agree with what I said, you just don't like the fact that it was me who said it.

Gotcha! thanks dude!