"The argument of my book is that conservatives suck"

That is all.

See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

"Democrats are good at pointing out everything that is wrong with government. Republicans are good at getting elected and proving the Democrats correct." -P.J. O'Rourke

Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

Except that he's right.

Impeach Cheney First: Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

Except that he's right.

Except that you're a juvenile asshole, and the fact that you can't see that is exactly why nothing is ever accomplished in American politics.

...must be Reverse Week here on Fark. First I end up arguing against Christians, and now I'm defending Conservatives. Oh, wait, that's right: it's not religious or political affiliations I have a problem with: it's egregious stupidity masquerading as a thought-process.

I predict an orderly and respectful thread.

Corpus Delecti: Except that you're a juvenile asshole, and the fact that you can't see that is exactly why nothing is ever accomplished in American politics.

wrong. Cheney accomplished exactly what he wanted to in the last 8 yrs.

Corpus Delecti: Impeach Cheney First: Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

Except that he's right.

Except that you're a juvenile asshole, and the fact that you can't see that is exactly why nothing is ever accomplished in American politics.

Wow. Your blood pressure was like 180/90 just then.

HAHAHAHAHA! This jackass is the Uber moran of the day.

He sounds like Beavis trying to explain why chicks are cool.

Corpus Delecti: Impeach Cheney First: Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

Except that he's right.

Except that you're a juvenile asshole, and the fact that you can't see that is exactly why nothing is ever accomplished in American politics.

Perfect example of Conservative debate tactics.

Eh, it sounded like he was trying to be funny with the 'conservatives suck' line. His book didn't sound particularly interesting though.

Donald_McRonald: I predict an orderly and respectful thread.

I see your comment and raise it to include witty banter and polite discussion of disparate points of view...

How about, "(The douche bags who have been running the GOP for the last twenty years while claiming to be)conservatives suck."

Shaggy_C: Eh, it sounded like he was trying to be funny with the 'conservatives suck' line. His book didn't sound particularly interesting though.

Looks like another pundit book. If his interview is any indication of his wit or intelligence, expect it to do about as well as Pelosi's "book".

Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a "poster child" for said phenomenon.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message
"Democrats are good at pointing out everything that is wrong with government. Republicans are good at getting elected and proving the Democrats correct." -P.J. O'Rourke

"Republicans have nothing but bad ideas and Democrats have no ideas." -- Lewis Black

"A republican stands up in congress and says 'I GOT A REALLY BAD IDEA!!' and the democrat stands up after him and says 'AND I CAN MAKE IT shiatTIER!!" --Lewis Black

"Any person who thinks one party is the 'good' guys and the other is the 'bad' guys is an idiot." -- Anonymous genius

letstakeawalk: I see your comment and raise it to include witty banter and polite discussion of disparate points of view...

Hmmm...we should make bets on when one of the following phrases or mems hits the thread:

but but...Fox News!!!

Messiah

Pancakes

Cheney (in any form)

any type of dick sucking reference

3_Butt_Cheeks: letstakeawalk: I see your comment and raise it to include witty banter and polite discussion of disparate points of view...

Hmmm...we should make bets on when one of the following phrases or mems hits the thread:

but but...Fox News!!!

Messiah

Pancakes

Cheney (in any form)

any type of dick sucking reference

Damn....we already have a Cheney reference. I really didn't think they'd use that this early!

-1 me.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Looks like another pundit book. If his interview is any indication of his wit or intelligence, expect it to do about as well as Pelosi's "book".

I don't judge the contents of a book by its sales figures. Popularity does not imply quality. Just look at the top TV shows by viewing audience today. God awful garbage.

Shaggy_C: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Looks like another pundit book. If his interview is any indication of his wit or intelligence, expect it to do about as well as Pelosi's "book".

I don't judge the contents of a book by its sales figures. Popularity does not imply quality. Just look at the top TV shows by viewing audience today. God awful garbage.

I stand corrected. The 'folk' that make American Idol and America's Next Top Model "hits" can never be underestimated.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Hmmm...we should make bets on when one of the following phrases or mems hits the thread:

but but...Fox News!!!

Messiah

Pancakes

Cheney (in any form)

any type of dick sucking reference

*ziiiiiiiip* Get to work.

/just doing my part

I missed a thread a bit ago that ended up being about how the Republican party was about to come apart at the seams, and basically disintegrate. A lot of people were vehemently for the idea...

I'd rather see them become rational is all. I'm tired of negative attacks, and appeals to emotions, and faith-based governance. I'd rather see issues based on sound philosophical principles, and programs that work judged on hard numbers, and actual conservative values rather than the corporatism and religious values that seem to guide the party nowadays.

I'm happy to talk with conservatives that can express their values, rather than expressing blind loyalty, responding with attacks, and the good old "It's just WRONG!" argument.

I still don't want to see them in power (though I'd be less scared of them if the above changes came about), but I definitely want an intelligent 'Loyal Opposition'.

/Socialist
//Everyone benefits from informed debate

If people could blame our loss in Vietnam and the shiatty 70s economy on the Left, can't we blame our soaring debt, foreign policy debacles and shiatty economy on the Right?

Conservatives are nice people. The GOP sucks and is corrupt.

3_Butt_Cheeks: HAHAHAHAHA! This jackass is the Uber moran of the day.

He sounds like Beavis trying to explain why chicks are cool.

Boobie!

First of all, there are way too many non-fiction politics books being published today, and I would know, because I'm a sucker for that genre.

Second, I'm a liberal and I can't even visit that site anymore. I'm tired of being bashed because I don't used words like "republathug" or "chimpy-in-chief". I might agree with their ideology, but not their disposition.

Strange, that quoted phrase appears nowhere in the link.

MrGumboPants: If people could blame our loss in Vietnam and the shiatty 70s economy on the Left, can't we blame our soaring debt, foreign policy debacles and shiatty economy on the Right?

Conservatives are nice people. The GOP sucks and is corrupt.

I think you need to specify what you mean by "conservative". John Dean and Tom Delay are not the same type of conservative. Actually, what am I saying? That's not your job, that's their job.

How can you write a book about conservatives when you don't even know what a conservative is? Conservative does not mean Republican, dumbass.

That guy was absolutely terrible on Colbert. He's the first guest Colbert has had on where I actually felt LESS inclined to buy his book as the interview went on.

MrGumboPants: If people could blame our loss in Vietnam and the shiatty 70s economy on the Left, can't we blame our soaring debt, foreign policy debacles and shiatty economy on the Right?

Except that it was the Right in power from 1968 to 1978. So the loss in vietnam and shiatty 70s economy was their fault too, but when people think back all they remember is Carter, high gas prices, and hippies.

So, in 20 years, we'll look back on the 2000s we'll remember Obama, high gas prices, and yuppies.

Round and round we go...

kronicfeld: Strange, that quoted phrase appears nowhere in the link.

It was in the embedded video. The link doesn't have a full transcript.

Corpus Delecti: Impeach Cheney First: Corpus Delecti: See, the problem with being an irrational, hate-mongering Tool is that it doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you claim to be representing.

Except that he's right.

Except that you're a juvenile asshole, and the fact that you can't see that is exactly why nothing is ever accomplished in American politics.

Go take a look at the "McCain mocks Obama's speech" thread below this and then get back to us.

You can also go ahead and fark yourself either way I might add.

kronicfeld: Strange, that quoted phrase appears nowhere in the link.

Except the title of the article and the first words spoken by the author.

Other than that, you are dead on.

Skleenar: Except the title of the article and the first words spoken by the author.

The title of the article, especially on sites like that, tends to be meaningless. I'll give you the other part, obviously; stupid me taking their transcript at face value.

Arnold T Pants: How can you write a book about conservatives when you don't even know what a conservative is? Conservative does not mean Republican, dumbass.

Considering that self-identifying "conservatives" have spent the last eight years (at least) trying to redefine "conservative" to mean "whatever the GOP says," well, you almost can't blame the guy.

Sound-bite aside: the premise of the book is a sound one.

The GOP, consistently, have played "get your foot in the door" for the last couple of decades. Tactics the use sound like the MPFC Spanish Inquisition... amongst our weaponry are fear, surprise, everyone using the same negative words over and over, and an almost fanatical devotion to The 700 Club.

But once their foot is in the door, those promises evaporate like a raindrop on a hot road in summer.

For example: Bush Cheney 2000 campaign promises. (web archives)

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George W. Bush "will also ensure that the federal government, which is the country's largest polluter, complies with all environmental laws" ... and now, it's goodbye from the world's biggest polluter.

"To restore confidence in government, [George W. Bush] will...attack pork-barrel spending", meet the biggest pork-barrel wasters of all time, your Republican-dominated Congress.

"The federal government is expected to run a surplus of nearly $5 trillion during the next ten years... As President, Governor Bush will pay the debt down to a historically low level". Or, as reality shows us, he won't do anything of the sort.

"Governor Bush believes that a strong, capable and modern military is the foundation of the peace we enjoy today and hope to extend for future generations." And in the background, he's trying to find an excuse to invade Iraq because they have oil, oil, OIL!!

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And the funny thing is, McCain's policy promises follow the language from Bush's 2000 promises, tweaked to fit today's circumstances.

Circumstances brought about by Bush's broken promises, of course. But people have very short attention spans. They seem to think certain messages sound right because they ring true, somehow. When the truth is: they're the same promises made eight years ago and most people don't know how to search online to find them.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: How about, "(The douche bags who have been running the GOP for the last twenty forty years while claiming to be)conservatives suck."

FTFY

Many of Goldwater's ideas were fully expressed in Bush's policies. It's just that many of those ideas suck.

Jackpot777: Sound-bite aside: the premise of the book is a sound one.

The GOP, consistently, have played "get your foot in the door" for the last couple of decades. Tactics they use...

FYFM.

True conservatism kicks ass. The concept of small government, low taxes, property rights, and supporting the Second Amendment.

W might be conservative on some things, but he's no conservative.

Donald_McRonald: I predict an orderly and respectful thread.

Predict my ass, you piece of shiat mouth-breathing tool.

icy_one: That guy was absolutely terrible on Colbert. He's the first guest Colbert has had on where I actually felt LESS inclined to buy his book as the interview went on.

Yup.

It's really too bad. As I get older, I am seeing more and more the ideas I used to have about how the world works, as formed under the Reagan years, are fantasies.

What I have seen is that this whole 'smaller government', 'run the government like a business' trope is as much an exercise in faith as any religion, and has very little empirical evidence to support its effectiveness.

In fact, the last eight years have been a powerful argument against this fundamentalism, as we have seen an absolutely huge increase in corruption and waste, as the privatization of government functions hugely increases the opportunity for such malpractice.

Do I expect my comments to change anyone's views?

Not any more than I expect a archeopteryx fossil to change the mind of a creationist.

So I was sorely disappointed in the performance of this author. I agree with him wholeheartedly, but he couldn't even convince me.

The_Sponge: True conservatism kicks ass. The concept of small government, low taxes, property rights, and supporting the Second Amendment.

W might be conservative on some things, but he's no conservative.

Between this and what Nina_Hartley's_Ass wrote (basically that this is the way GOP led Conservatism has been for 20 years) I dont know what to say except label you guys calvinball conservatives.

The_Sponge: True conservatism kicks ass. The concept of small government, low taxes, property rights, and supporting the Second Amendment.

W might be conservative on some things, but he's no conservative.

Yeah, and pixie dust is awesome too. Too bad neither one exists.

Lando Lincoln: Predict my ass, you piece of shiat mouth-breathing tool.

Okay:

Your ass is going to get hammered.

The_Sponge: True conservatism kicks ass. The concept of small government, low taxes, property rights, and supporting the Second Amendment.

W might be conservative on some things, but he's no conservative.

It's like being a libertarian, apparently there are millions of them, but they never get elected to office.

the guy had some good points, especially about contracting out government duties, and the fact that contractors are not directly accountable to "we the people".

however, his presentation was a little awkward.

Lando Lincoln: The_Sponge: True conservatism kicks ass. The concept of small government, low taxes, property rights, and supporting the Second Amendment.

W might be conservative on some things, but he's no conservative.

Yeah, and pixie dust is awesome too. Too bad neither one exists.

I just have to laugh that conservatives are forced to use the "True X" line that college communists have been using for decades.

True Communism kicks ass!

You're all assholes! Your ideas are stupid! I'll fark you in half! WHARRGARBL!!!111!! Also you're immature, whereas I am clearly the peak of maturity.

Ron Paul.

Wraithbane: I_Approve_Of_This_Message
"Democrats are good at pointing out everything that is wrong with government. Republicans are good at getting elected and proving the Democrats correct." -P.J. O'Rourke

"Republicans have nothing but bad ideas and Democrats have no ideas." -- Lewis Black

"A republican stands up in congress and says 'I GOT A REALLY BAD IDEA!!' and the democrat stands up after him and says 'AND I CAN MAKE IT shiatTIER!!" --Lewis Black

"Any person who thinks one party is the 'good' guys and the other is the 'bad' guys is an idiot." -- Anonymous genius

When one party emphasizes torture advanced interrogation techniques, holding people without charging them, reduction of civil liberties, and fabricating evidence to start a war, calling them anything but "bad guys" is retarded. What, was the difference between the GI Joes and COBRA now just partisan?