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(Guardian.com) Interesting School robots divide experts over teaching of phonics, search for Sarah Connor after class   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 33
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TSD [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 12:58:37 PM  
i41.photobucket.com

 
Antilope 2008-08-09 12:59:34 PM  
"I'm sorry Jimmy, I'm afraid I can't do that...."

 
clipperbox 2008-08-09 01:02:55 PM  
Linguo Dead?

 
mavrick45 2008-08-09 01:03:18 PM  
damn, I thought we were done with Sarah Connor

/my dreams, let me show them to you

 
philliams 2008-08-09 01:05:07 PM  
TIGHT ON CAR SIDE WINDOW, as a figure approaches, reflected in the glass. A fist punches through the window, shattering it. The thief unlocks the door and gets behind the wheel. It's Terminator.

/from the script

 
waxhitler 2008-08-09 01:15:23 PM  
"Wow," says Charlie, five, when he first sees Red the Robot.

"He doesn't look like a robot," says his best friend, Roxy, also five. "Robots aren't usually that ugly."


Classy girl, that Roxy.

 
Speaker2Animals 2008-08-09 01:17:56 PM  
That's probably the most overused meme on here, but it almost always makes me laugh.

/Yes, I know; it doesn't take much

 
improvius 2008-08-09 01:18:47 PM  
Also, gym class is now pushing 101.

 
letrole 2008-08-09 01:24:02 PM  
Phonics is a Religion.

 
EighthundredmillionthFarker 2008-08-09 01:26:47 PM  
The robot specializes in teaching the alphabet,pronouncing phonics, and tracking down dissenters and ripping their hearts out through their throats.

 
mdbuff12 2008-08-09 01:28:13 PM  
clipperbox: Linguo Dead?

Linguo is dead.

 
Needlessly Complicated 2008-08-09 01:39:12 PM  
The humans are dead
The humans are dead
We poisoned their asses
With poisonous gases


/binary solo!
//not obscure, I'm sure

 
schattenteufel [TotalFark] 2008-08-09 01:43:35 PM  
www.buildingaworld.com
Get out of my head!

 
Oznog 2008-08-09 02:13:20 PM  
As for Sarah Connor to stay after class... the plan is brilliant. It cannot fail.

/have you seen this boy?

 
Mandapants 2008-08-09 02:16:13 PM  
That kid has a hairstyle that reminds me of a 1970s housewife.

 
Fapinator 2008-08-09 02:31:23 PM  
i24.photobucket.com

 
GriffinHousePuppet 2008-08-09 04:02:19 PM  
shut up a ya face

 
JonnyBGoode 2008-08-09 04:20:05 PM  
I learned to read by phonics. In the 60s. And happened to excel in reading and comprehension skills. I really can't understand all the "controversy" about a natural way of learning to read that's been around for decades.

 
Funk Brothers 2008-08-09 04:24:33 PM  
Hi my name is Funk Brothers and I'm hooked on phonics.

 
letrole 2008-08-09 05:12:27 PM  
JonnyBGoode: I learned to read by phonics. In the 60s. And happened to excel in reading and comprehension skills. I really can't understand all the "controversy" about a natural way of learning to read that's been around for decades.

You recognise whole words. Roughly a third of English words are irregular, in that that they don't conform to a strict set of phonetic rules. Phonics is useful for teaching young children a selected group of simple words.

The old observation about a stupid person's lips moving whilst they read is closely tied to that fact they don't instantly recognise words; they have to sound out words as they go. They're just reading phonetically.

 
Wraithbane 2008-08-09 06:26:55 PM  
My 42 year old brother learned to read using phonic. To this day he can't spell worth a damn.

 
Speaker2Animals 2008-08-09 06:42:03 PM  
Wraithbane
to this day he can't spell worth a damn.

What's his Fark name?

 
tbrake 2008-08-09 07:20:12 PM  
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! does little snowflake not know hoow to read? awwwwwwwwwwwwwww! that's special! i'm sure albert einstein woulda loved a robot to teach him to read. NOW PICK UP YOUR BOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS!!!

Brake

 
suraimu 2008-08-09 07:37:25 PM  
PRESENT HALL PASS

SECOND REQUEST - PRESENT HALL PASS

 
Wraithbane 2008-08-09 07:42:11 PM  
Speaker2Animals
What's his Fark name?

Okay, that was good.

 
bown 2008-08-09 09:58:40 PM  
Well, I learned to read using phonics, and turned out quite well.

What I don't understand is how the alternative to phonics is better. Kids read along with the teacher, and are supposed to try to memorize the words as they go? CRAP. And forget about trying to figure out a word the kid has never seen.

 
letrole 2008-08-09 10:29:58 PM  
bown: Well, I learned to read using phonics, and turned out quite well.
What I don't understand is how the alternative to phonics is better. Kids read along with the teacher, and are supposed to try to memorize the words as they go? CRAP. And forget about trying to figure out a word the kid has never seen.


With whole-word, you still use phonics when learning to read. The problem with PhonicsTM is that readers are taught and drilled to phonetically decipher each and every word, well after they are capable of recognising the whole word.

My son learned to read, and do it silently, before he started school. After about two months, he started sounding out every damn letter like some sort of retard. The simple phrase 'cats and dogs' became ka-uh-tuh-suh-ah-un-duh-duh-ah-guh-suh. It was nerve-wracking as hell. I smacked him on the back of the neck and told him to read like he was originally taught.

 
simpsonfan 2008-08-09 10:39:16 PM  
Phonics? No way. 'Hooked on Ebonics' done be workin fo ME.

 
HystericalParoxysm 2008-08-10 06:34:12 AM  
"Robots can't teach. The only effective teaching is by breathing, living teachers who can look a pupil in the eye and respond to them."

Yeah, cos I totally didn't learn my ABCs from watching Sesame Street. You never learn from anything that can't respond to your questions. Y'know, like... books.

 
Guest 2008-08-10 08:57:27 AM  
letrole: bown: Well, I learned to read using phonics, and turned out quite well.
What I don't understand is how the alternative to phonics is better. Kids read along with the teacher, and are supposed to try to memorize the words as they go? CRAP. And forget about trying to figure out a word the kid has never seen.

With whole-word, you still use phonics when learning to read. The problem with PhonicsTM is that readers are taught and drilled to phonetically decipher each and every word, well after they are capable of recognising the whole word.

My son learned to read, and do it silently, before he started school. After about two months, he started sounding out every damn letter like some sort of retard. The simple phrase 'cats and dogs' became ka-uh-tuh-suh-ah-un-duh-duh-ah-guh-suh. It was nerve-wracking as hell. I smacked him on the back of the neck and told him to read like he was originally taught.



Your sons teacher should have recognised that he was able to read simple words and should have allowed him to continue and only use phonetics for when he comes across words he could not read.

Phonetics is only a tool to be used when one is first learning a new word and once that word is known, or words that are similar are known, then no they should not be sounded out.

Most people during the first half of the century until the late 1970s were taught to read using phonetics, and most people do not sound words out.

 
letrole 2008-08-10 11:13:53 AM  
Guest: Your sons teacher should have recognised that he was able to read simple words and should have allowed him to continue and only use phonetics for when he comes across words he could not read.

You just described whole-word reading.

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteres are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a tatol mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. taihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

 
thelordofcheese 2008-08-10 12:39:54 PM  
"Robots can't teach. The only effective teaching is by breathing, living teachers who can look a pupil in the eye and respond to them."

FAIL. I've learned more from books and the internet and interactive tutorials (and tinkering) than I have from teachers. But then, I never stopped learning. The point is that you don't need intimate human interaction to learn. Does this idiot not know that the learning instrument was developed by a human? That it simulates human interaction without the unproductive elements that such interaction may hinder?

 
thelordofcheese 2008-08-10 01:27:50 PM  
thelordofcheese: hinder augment?

Bah.

Also:
From September all early years providers will have to show that children are reaching 69 separate goals by the time they start school at the age of four or five.
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