Charles Evers, brother of Medgar Evers, the Mississippi NAACP leader killed by a sniper in 1963, chuckles when told about Barrett's assertions.

"See, Richard doesn't really mean what he says. It's popular for him to say it. That's the way he makes a living," said Evers, who hosts a talk show on WMPR-FM in Jackson. "Same as Jesse Jackson, some more of our black revolutionaries who make a living off of keeping things emotional."

I don't know anything about Charles Evers, but I can only imagine that comment will catch him a ton of flak from Jesse Jackson and his supporters.

log_jammin: I don't know anything about Charles Evers, but I can only imagine that comment will catch him a ton of flak from Jesse Jackson and his supporters.

I don't know anything about Charles Evers either, but he sounds like a discerning fellow.

"They're not exactly rooting for Barack Obama, but prominent white supremacists anticipate a boost to their cause if he becomes the first black president. His election, they say, would trigger a backlash - whites rising up, a revolution of sorts - that they think is long overdue."

Hmmmm, apparently they haven't been to the meetin's lately. Looks like he's fittin in just fine:

Lionel Mandrake: And bombing a federal building will spark the next
American Revolution!! Am I right, or what? WOOOO!

A guy I knew told me he had a good book he said ought to read. I said sure I'm out of new books anyway and was rereading old stuff anyway.

Next day he gives me a book called "The Turner Diaries". Within the first page or two I could tell what the theme was going to be but decided to keep reading. By the end of it I was literally sick to my stomach. And part of what freaked me out was now knowing what mcveigh had in mind when he did that bombing.

Scary shiat.

I don't get it. So... for these guys less melanin means they're better than other folks. Or maybe it's just that more melanin is bad? What the hell? I mean... what the fark does it matter how much melanin you have in your skin?

Some stupid people are useful... some are just a waste.

oh! and the guy shot himself before i could give the book back.

I had to burn it. No way I was going to let someone find it in my trash.

log_jammin: Next day he gives me a book called "The Turner Diaries". Within the first page or two I could tell what the theme was going to be but decided to keep reading. By the end of it I was literally sick to my stomach. And part of what freaked me out was now knowing what mcveigh had in mind when he did that bombing.

I always kind of wanted to read that, just to see what it was like, but I didn't want to actually give money to some asshat racist organization to get it. I eventually found some extended excerpts, and could barely read more than a couple pages. I mean, yeah, the whole premise was awful, but Lawd Almighty was the writing horrible.

Lionel Mandrake: I always kind of wanted to read that, just to see what it was like, but I didn't want to actually give money to some asshat racist organization to get it. I eventually found some extended excerpts, and could barely read more than a couple pages. I mean, yeah, the whole premise was awful, but Lawd Almighty was the writing horrible.

I wouldn't have read it if the guy hadn't gave it to me, just because like you I wouldn't give money to them.

I still wonder what it was that I said to make him think I would like that book.

log_jammin: I still wonder what it was that I said to make him think I would like that book.

True Believers...their just sure that everyone will agree with them, if they only knew!

Scary.

JohnnyC: I don't get it. So... for these guys less melanin means they're better than other folks. Or maybe it's just that more melanin is bad? What the hell? I mean... what the fark does it matter how much melanin you have in your skin?

It's a combination of many wonderful qualities. Not just less melanin, but fewer teeth, fewer career options, brain cells that have to wave to each other, and an ethos shakier than Muhammed Ali on a caffeine bender.

Lionel Mandrake: True Believers..

when he shot himself the cops said his baby had a Nazi flag for a baby blanket.

True Believer indeed. and I had no idea he was like that, let alone that far gone.

I create mirth among my friends when I discuss the time I spend reading the "works" of WN "intellectuals". Those dumbasses amuse me for some reason.

But: I named my first born child after the greatest man I ever knew. (who was an avowed Black Nationalist.)

The issue of race in America is more complex than most of us realize.

I wish I had more to add to the conversation but all I ever see is my own puzzlement.

log_jammin: when he shot himself the cops said his baby had a Nazi flag for a baby blanket.

True Believer indeed. and I had no idea he was like that, let alone that far gone.

Aaaand on that note, I'm going to slowly back out of the thread.

T.M.S.

How does a black nationalist deal with things like people from Ethiopia, or mulattos?

Occam's Chainsaw: Aaaand on that note, I'm going to slowly back out of the thread.

It was farked up man.

log_jammin: It was farked up man.

No doubt. I've seen some farked up shiat in my day, but something about that just sends a chill down my spine.

but is the Klan really about hate?

That damn sight blows my mind. Talk about an artist humanizing people. Jacob is amazing.

log_jammin: when he shot himself the cops said his baby had a Nazi flag for a baby blanket.

True Believer indeed. and I had no idea he was like that, let alone that far gone.

But at least he died shooting a Nazi. Shooting Nazi's is a tradition in my family (dropping bombs on them, too). I respect anyone who shoots Nazi's.

So let me get this straight, with all the progress made regarding racial equality, these guys thing a Black Man as president is suddenly going to make white people swarm to thier ignorant cause?

Not that many doubt the stupidity of a Racial Supremicist of any stripe, but this just kind of demonstrates ignorance and delusion on a scale rarely seen.

I wonder who these nitwits would vote for if McCain chose Lieberman as his running mate?

Although as far as Black Executives go, so far I'm familiar with Marion Barry, Coleman Young, Kwame Kilpatrick and that ijit from New Orleans. None of them are shining examples of leadership. If Obama is elected I truly hope he does a bang up job - It's nice riding the wave of being the First Black Presidential Candidate, but if he farks it up there'll be ijits from the dusty corners crawling into the light to point him out as an example.

/Probably ignoring the fact that it's his policies that are bad, not his skin color.

CanisNoir: Not that many doubt the stupidity of a Racial Supremicist of any stripe, but this just kind of demonstrates ignorance and delusion on a scale rarely seen.

What they forget is that violent racism is no longer tolerated, even by most racists. The same goes for sexism. There are many who endorsed the sexism displayed against Clinton, but few would fully support wife beating. It's only a small minority of sexists that believe in violently raping and beating women, same goes for racists and anti-Semites.

Suicidal Writer: It's only a small minority of sexists that believe in violently raping and beating women, same goes for racists and anti-Semites.

That may be true of individuals, but once they get to the point of organizing into a national group then things change.

CanisNoir: I wonder who these nitwits would vote for if McCain chose Lieberman as his running mate?

The Zombie Strom Thurmand / Zombie George Walllace ticket.

I don't worry so much about the leaders who sit there and spout their theories. It's the easily-persuaded idjits who follow them that are the problem.

(Kinda like I'm cool with Jesus and Allah and Jehovah, but I think some of the stuff their followers do sucks.)

That said, since the followers are sheep who want to be told how it is, and not have to think for themselves, I wonder how hard it would be to persuade them that black people are okay, but the military-industrial complex must be destroyed? :)

I can't wait to blame all my problems on the black man. even though I'm not racist.

Suicidal Writer: What they forget is that violent racism is no longer tolerated, even by most racists. The same goes for sexism. There are many who endorsed the sexism displayed against Clinton, but few would fully support wife beating. It's only a small minority of sexists that believe in violently raping and beating women, same goes for racists and anti-Semites.

I'm still trying to parcel this. Racism and Sexism both end in 'ism', both have a creamy nougat center of prejudice -- but the institutional discrimination was radically different.

Everyone has a mother -- and even if you don't think woman should vote, I don't think there was an organized and underground campaign to rape and lynch woman to suppress their vote.

In short I don't think sexism was ever about being pro-wife beating.

Whereas, racism, throughout history has had a nasty streak of genocide. Violence and racism are colluded. We have just removed the inherent inequities and corruption that allowed that violence to flourish -- being a more rare phenomenon today.

I have very little doubt that racial violence would spiral out of control if the authorities became complicit and complacent again.

I don't think the same can be said for woman. I really don't believe that -- the base human failings are different -- unless one subscribes to the idea all men inherently hate woman.

I know ardents of that position, but I think that's nonsense.

Occam's Chainsaw: CanisNoir: I wonder who these nitwits would vote for if McCain chose Lieberman as his running mate?

The Zombie Strom Thurmand / Zombie George Walllace ticket.

I laugh just imaging all of the loudly exclaimed "Oh SHIAT, HIDE" from all of the 3rd parties as they get eyeballed. (Except for the Green Party, they're safe this year)

Though it'd be better if McCain could somehow convince Condi to be his VP, a Black Woman would cause thier heads to asspload. That I'd pay to watch :) (It'd be like going to Ghallager concert only with a few more laughs, but just as messy)

log_jammin: I still wonder what it was that I said to make him think I would like that book.

"Sieg Heil"?

DarnoKonrad: I'm still trying to parcel this. Racism and Sexism both end in 'ism', both have a creamy nougat center of prejudice -- but the institutional discrimination was radically different.

Everyone has a mother -- and even if you don't think woman should vote, I don't think there was an organized and underground campaign to rape and lynch woman to suppress their vote.

In short I don't think sexism was ever about being pro-wife beating.

Whereas, racism, throughout history has had a nasty streak of genocide. Violence and racism are colluded. We have just removed the inherent inequities and corruption that allowed that violence to flourish -- being a more rare phenomenon today.

I have very little doubt that racial violence would spiral out of control if the authorities became complicit and complacent again.

I don't think the same can be said for woman. I really don't believe that -- the base human failings are different -- unless one subscribes to the idea all men inherently hate woman.

I know ardents of that position, but I think that's nonsense.

I disagree with the bolded statement. I doubt very highly that the citizens enmasse would allow that to happen. First you'd hear clamoring for the authorities to start enforcing the law and eventually you'd get vigilateism.

It's not like it was back in the 60's and before when Blacks were just a step or two out of slavery. But even considering the Authorities becoming complacent is ludicrous, too many Blacks are in positions of governmental power now to ever allow that to happen, and there are far more sympathetic whites now than back then too. We've made some pretty great strides towards healing.

Not only that but I think all of the White Supremicists would have a rude awakening the first time they traveled into The Hood to lynch someone. Alot of those Gangsta's have been living in a semi-warzone for quite some time and not only have better weapons but are more practiced at using them. Sure it'd be bloody, but I'd put my money on the Hood-Rats any day :)

dbirchall: log_jammin: I don't know anything about Charles Evers, but I can only imagine that comment will catch him a ton of flak from Jesse Jackson and his supporters.

I don't know anything about Charles Evers either, but he sounds like a discerning fellow.

Well, as the article said - brother of Medgar Evers, shot in the back in 1963. Bob Dylan wrote an excellent song about it, called "A Pawn in Their Game". You won't regret checking the whole story out, if you're curious.

Suicidal Writer:

What they forget is that violent racism is no longer tolerated, even by most racists. The same goes for sexism. There are many who endorsed the sexism displayed against Clinton, but few would fully support wife beating. It's only a small minority of sexists that believe in violently raping and beating women, same goes for racists and anti-Semites.

Exactly. Most racism today is expressed in "code talking". For instance, someone will address their "concern" about the prospect of a black man getting elected by submitting a list of the four or five worst black politicians they can think of, ignoring all the good ones. That sort of thing.

CanisNoir: DarnoKonrad: I'm still trying to parcel this. Racism and Sexism both end in 'ism', both have a creamy nougat center of prejudice -- but the institutional discrimination was radically different.

Everyone has a mother -- and even if you don't think woman should vote, I don't think there was an organized and underground campaign to rape and lynch woman to suppress their vote.

In short I don't think sexism was ever about being pro-wife beating.

Whereas, racism, throughout history has had a nasty streak of genocide. Violence and racism are colluded. We have just removed the inherent inequities and corruption that allowed that violence to flourish -- being a more rare phenomenon today.

I have very little doubt that racial violence would spiral out of control if the authorities became complicit and complacent again.

I don't think the same can be said for woman. I really don't believe that -- the base human failings are different -- unless one subscribes to the idea all men inherently hate woman.

I know ardents of that position, but I think that's nonsense.

I disagree with the bolded statement. I doubt very highly that the citizens enmasse would allow that to happen. First you'd hear clamoring for the authorities to start enforcing the law and eventually you'd get vigilateism.

It's not like it was back in the 60's and before when Blacks were just a step or two out of slavery. But even considering the Authorities becoming complacent is ludicrous, too many Blacks are in positions of governmental power now to ever allow that to happen, and there are far more sympathetic whites now than back then too. We've made some pretty great strides towards healing.

Not only that but I think all of the White Supremicists would have a rude awakening the first time they traveled into The Hood to lynch someone. Alot of those Gangsta's have been living in a semi-warzone for quite some time and not only have better weapons but are more practiced at using them. Sure it'd be bloody, but I'd put my money on the Hood-Rats any day :)



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Suicidal Writer: but is the Klan really about hate?

This is the NEW Klan.

CanisNoir: So let me get this straight, with all the progress made regarding racial equality, these guys thing a Black Man as president is suddenly going to make white people swarm to thier ignorant cause?

Not that many doubt the stupidity of a Racial Supremicist of any stripe, but this just kind of demonstrates ignorance and delusion on a scale rarely seen.

I wonder who these nitwits would vote for if McCain chose Lieberman as his running mate?

From what I've gathered, most of the hard core supremacist types weren't going to vote Republican anyway. I believe that they tend to vote for the more fringe third parties or not vote at all because they don't want to participate in the current system.

/I've been around about half a dozen of these types over the years, either through work or because someone that I knew was either "sort of" friends with them or was related to them.
//when asked, the person that I knew usually responded with something like, "He's really not that bad... he just has some strange ideas..."

You know what? I've lived in GA for about 14 years and only twice have I've been called the n word. It was by some stupid teenagers that I cut off on the expressway (I actually laughed) and by a crazy lesbian trying to push up on my chick (we had history and I was letting her have it so it was out of anger). I don't feel threatened even in the whitest of white areas, even when people say something really stupid like call me Bro, but some of my black friends get antsy and uptight or angry in the same situation.

I believe our difference in attitudes is because I've traveled a bit. Not much to brag about, but enough to realize ignorant, exclusive people are in all races and regions. People are going to hate people different from themselves, even if they are the same color, and for any reason imaginable.

I have talked to people who've had no contact with black people and so all they know about us is from television! A lot of young white teenagers fall into this category. They say the Cosby show isn't real. I tell them the Cosby Show and A Different World was more relevant to me than the evening news. I don't live in a bubble, it's who I associate with, just like you. I've talked to prejudiced people that didn't know they were prejudiced because they have had no meaningful contact to challenge their misconceptions.

I think an Obama Presidency may increase attention to White supremist groups initially, however, over time their numbers will drop to below 2008 levels due to exposure to a 'good' black man. Of course, some people may be so blinded by their own ignorance that they demonize him no matter what he does.

Such is life.

With all that said, I don't see a problem with some so called racist but more accurately called prejudiced groups. Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, Whites, et al should all have the freedom to decide what is best for thier culture. That's not racist. Are Jews racist because they believe they are the Chosen People and don't intermarry? Naw. People should be allowed to believe what they want to believe and breed with who they want to breed with. But as soon as they act on thier prejudices in a violent way or advocate such actions, shut em down! In politics, however, an overly prejudiced person can make the government act in a racist manner. Government is a tool of its people. We can not afford to have such people in control of this tool, but it's been this way for a very long time, not racist in every case but definitely given preferences to a certain class of people. Some people are very afraid of losing this control because they believe it will be payback time.

log_jammin, Lionel Mandrake: Kind of off-topic here, but it's a little known fact that the militia movement's major objections to McVeigh was not that he was a terrorist, but that he attacked in daylight. McVeigh himself wanted a "high body count" to get media attention. One of his former acquaintances (? associates?) said that if he had blown up the Murrah building at night he would have been hailed as a hero -- and we might be looking at a civil war by now.

I don't think there will ever be a massive movement by whites/blacks/latinos/militiamen/religious nationalists to a war a la 1861. I've told people who claim such that they just don't know Americans that well. But I do think there are enough insane people in this country to raise hell should they feel like it.

Wine Sipping Elitist: You know what? I've lived in GA for about 14 years and only twice have I've been called the n word.

The "n" word? What is it with people and the refusal to respect language? Even on fark N**ger becomes attractive and successful African-American. It's a sign of some sort of cultural immaturity. Anyway, I've only been called it once as a child. I live in Cincinnati, which is one of the most segregated cities in America, but even here we have race mixing on a large degree. Granted I do live on the West side, and there has been a lot of flight to outlying areas (Mason, for those of you in the know), but even here the only aspect of racism that I care about is our racist police force, which is ironic seeing as my family consists of cops and firefighters who are all black. It mostly boils down to culture. The so-called "n-word" seems to be used like fat, fag, and biatch. They are supposed to be individualized insults which are now used outside of their historical contexts. This is evinced most by the fact that gays will call each other fags; women, biatches; blacks, nubians. It's all a quirk of the language.

CanisNoir: So let me get this straight, with all the progress made regarding racial equality, these guys thing a Black Man as president is suddenly going to make white people swarm to thier ignorant cause?

According to the article, the "swarm" would mainly consist of more people writing letters, handing out pamphlets, and protesting affirmative action. Which sounds entirely plausible to me. Hell, look at all the bitter McCain supporters who snidely refer to Obama as an Affirmative Action Presidential Candidate, implying that Obama is completely without merit and is only getting by due to reverse racism and white liberal guilt. Gee, you don't think that there resentment and thinly disguised racism might transfer over to other successful black people, do you?

At this point, if there are people who are willing to support McCain, then there are people who are willing to believe in anything. Including the idea that the only reason that McCain lost is because we live in a country where undeserving black men are taking over. I mean, look at all the white people on fark who constantly grumble about the undeserving black people they have to deal with who were only hired due to racial quotas, despite the fact that racial quotas were already ruled unconstitutional before most of them were even born. If Obama ever gets elected, I can easily imagine them crying, "See? See? Racism against black people is completely non-existent these days, and the only racism that still exists is reverse racism that happens against white people!" I say this because there are so many people who have made this argument already.

OTOH, an Obama presidency would force these dialogues out in the open, where they can be confronted and discussed.

My guess is that you're about ten billion times more likely to hear a black person using "attractive and successful African-American" than a white person. I haven't heard a white person use it in close to fifteen years. Of course, I don't live in the South, so...

Corpus Delecti: My guess is that you're about ten billion times more likely to hear a black person using "attractive and successful African-American" than a white person. I haven't heard a white person use it in close to fifteen years. Of course, I don't live in the South, so...

I do, and it's been probably about twenty years since I've heard it from a white person.

These asshats always think their Turner Diaries are just around the corner. So what else is new?

Ya OK.

This is interesting.

Kelefa Sanneh on Tavis Smiley on Obama (new window)

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Corpus Delecti: My guess is that you're about ten billion times more likely to hear a black person using "attractive and successful African-American" than a white person. I haven't heard a white person use it in close to fifteen years. Of course, I don't live in the South, so...

I do, and it's been probably about twenty years since I've heard it from a white person.

I do too, and apparently you don't associate with the right (wrong) white people. Here in Appalachia, the bigotry's just barely under the surface.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Corpus Delecti: My guess is that you're about ten billion times more likely to hear a black person using "attractive and successful African-American" than a white person. I haven't heard a white person use it in close to fifteen years. Of course, I don't live in the South, so...

I do, and it's been probably about twenty years since I've heard it from a white person.

And here I hear it all the time.

Was working with a guy on a job last week. His favorite curse word was "farking Nig*er Lover!"

He'd scream this at whatever inanimate object was pissing him off at the time on the job site.

He wore a lot of Democratic campaign t-shirts. . for county commissioner and what not. Town was peppered with Hillary signs.

Obama has a Scotch-Irish problem. Not a 'white' or 'working class' problem.

I think we can all agree that Obama's run for POTUS alone has shaken up some old bones in this country.

Some come off as funny and antiquated. Some are anecdotal and slightly unsettling. Others are frustrating in that they demonstrate how little progress has been made with regard to this social experiment called America. This pluralistic, dynamic society.

It points out not the overt reactions to a wound we, as a nation, have not healed but the insipid opinions we hold to - reinforced by the opinions of others in the group we know and understand.

It is the reason certain words can not be uttered on television, radio or even FARK.

No matter how infantile or sophomoric some opinions seem when basking in the light of acknowledgment, they are legitimate concerns. Legitimate opinions.

In sum, these are simply overdue American:


(You'd better believe Mrs. Seaver is Hot_linked.)

Occam's Chainsaw: Ace Frehley's Ghost: Corpus Delecti: My guess is that you're about ten billion times more likely to hear a black person using "attractive and successful African-American" than a white person. I haven't heard a white person use it in close to fifteen years. Of course, I don't live in the South, so...

I do, and it's been probably about twenty years since I've heard it from a white person.

I do too, and apparently you don't associate with the right (wrong) white people. Here in Appalachia, the bigotry's just barely under the surface.

Oh there's bigotry around, I just haven't heard the n-bomb lately (although you're right, I don't associate with the ones who use it, by choice.) The ones that I come in contact with are more smooth about it, and they've become better at using more politically correct code words.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Oh there's bigotry around, I just haven't heard the n-bomb lately (although you're right, I don't associate with the ones who use it, by choice.) The ones that I come in contact with are more smooth about it, and they've become better at using more politically correct code words.

For clarity: "The ones that I come in contact with" refers to garden variety racists, not white nationalists... I haven't known any of those in years, thank FSM.

All of the people who yammer and point fingers about "racism" seem to forget that it is man's natural state, and it will always exist among the primitive and backward people who haven't had it educated out of them.
No, Mssr.s Rogers and Hammerstein - it DOESN'T "have to be carefully taught" - it is hard-wired into us, and needs to be educated and civilized out of us. These racial supremacists aren't evil people - they are just stupid primitives who happen to find themselves surrounded by a modern civilization they cannot evolve into. It is interesting to note, however, that ethnic supremacists always seem to comprise the rejects of their particular ethic group - the lowest that group can produce.