I went to a 'Christian' camp when I was a kid... we had about 10 minutes of 'Bible study' each morning. Other than that there was no mention of God or whatnot... we just swam, did archery, crafts, canoeing, hikes and sports.

Summer Camp is just a vacation for the parents anyway... or a Ritalin vacation.. ugh I hated those when I was a counselor.

Tr0mBoNe: I went to a 'Christian' camp when I was a kid... we had about 10 minutes of 'Bible study' each morning. Other than that there was no mention of God or whatnot... we just swam, did archery, crafts, canoeing, hikes and sports.

That was pretty much my experience with that one summer, too.

Training Skeptics

"Evangelicals have camps. Catholics have camps. So we believe there's a need to have an alternative for students who are exploring other options out there," Bupp says.


Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

Oddly enough, Bupp's reasoning sounds similar to the NAAWP, which was since "they have their groups we should have ours." Which isn't negative in and of itself, but once it becomes part of one's identity, reactively, then one has become a part of what one opposed.

Counselor: "So, Joey, do you know where clouds come from?"

Joey: "Uh...from God?"

Counselor: *slaps Joey upside the head*

"As soon as someone mentions faith in an argument, the argument is over," says 15-year-old Ryan Lee, who skipped high school and is entering his junior year of college in Arizona. "Faith and the scientific method can't be combined in the same argument."

There are adults on Fark who can't even arrive at that conclusion if you help them onto the bus.

Suicidal Writer:
Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

I think it has a lot to do with the oppressive and psychotic attitude that the evangelicals and religious 'right' have taken in the past decade or so. Some of us get pretty sick of hearing about how we're supposedly a 'Christian nation', etc etc.

Suicidal Writer: Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion.

You can repeat a lie all you want, that doesn't make it true

melopene: Suicidal Writer:
Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

I think it has a lot to do with the oppressive and psychotic attitude that the evangelicals and religious 'right' have taken in the past decade or so. Some of us get pretty sick of hearing about how we're supposedly a 'Christian nation', etc etc.

let me repeat that.

American politics reflects like a mirror whatever one side does the other has to do to keep up. unfortunately, religion is now politics in the US.

Suicidal Writer: Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion.

Yet another example of bullshiat...

Suicidal Writer: Training Skeptics

"Evangelicals have camps. Catholics have camps. So we believe there's a need to have an alternative for students who are exploring other options out there," Bupp says.


Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

Oddly enough, Bupp's reasoning sounds similar to the NAAWP, which was since "they have their groups we should have ours." Which isn't negative in and of itself, but once it becomes part of one's identity, reactively, then one has become a part of what one opposed.

If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color. Oh, by the way, I don't collect stamps. Would you call that a hobby?

FTFA:
"Cilone says he knows he's outnumbered by the atheists. But, he says, he's passionate about science and wants to test it against his faith."

Silly Cylon. Everyone knows you were created by the Humans, not Gawd.

Is it as awesome as Jesus Camp?



...I bet they worship cardboard cutouts of Darwin, Dawkins, and Hitchens...

I went to a Christian camp throughout high school in the summer, despite being a lifetime atheist (I was even an officer and semi-counselor).

I did it for the girls and the weed. Good times. Christian camps are great places for guilt-free teenage sexual activity. You can cry at the next day's group meeting.

Confabulat: I went to a Christian camp throughout high school in the summer, despite being a lifetime atheist (I was even an officer and semi-counselor).

I did it for the girls and the weed. Good times. Christian camps are great places for guilt-free teenage sexual activity. You can cry at the next day's group meeting.

I always wondered what happened to my camp counselor... Dude, you owe me 20 bucks and a BJ.

/or two BJs.

This sounds lame. Why not just go to a summer camp without religious dogma? They already have those without the pretentious "secular humanist" tag.

Or you could just get drugs and ass without crying like most high schools offer.

FTA:



Holy shiat, awesome shirt, dude.

Mordant: "As soon as someone mentions faith in an argument, the argument is over," says 15-year-old Ryan Lee, who skipped high school and is entering his junior year of college in Arizona. "Faith and the scientific method can't be combined in the same argument."

There are adults on Fark who can't even arrive at that conclusion if you help them onto the bus.

I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

Tr0mBoNe: I went to a 'Christian' camp when I was a kid... we had about 10 minutes of 'Bible study' each morning. Other than that there was no mention of God or whatnot... we just swam, did archery, crafts, canoeing, hikes and sports.


Same here. The campfire singing obviously featured religious songs, but the worst part about the camp was all the farking mosquitoes.

Dear Athiests,

The mind is like a circut, you'll never get any power if you keep it open.

/ Praise white Jesus
// Scared of Muslim Jesus

starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

Uh no. There is a world of difference between saying "I believe in X" and "I have empirical evidence to show that X is true".

My parents didn't raise me in any one faith. My dad let me go to Sunday school when I was little because a friend was going and I wanted to hang out with her... I got kicked out for being too energetic and asking too many questions. (My retort to, "You just have to have Faith!" was "... you just don't know, do you? It's OK if you don't know!")

My mom was dragged out of a church when she was 8 for saying, after the preacher had gone on and on about how alcohol was evil and how drinkers were going straight to hell, basically that she'd seen the same preacher out back filling his pickup with beer and talking about he and his buddies were going drinking after services. She got dragged out kicking and screaming, "You're a LIAR!! A LIAR!"

When a friend of mine was baptized, he grabbed one of the altar candles and set the priest on fire. He was 2. They should have taken the hint.

I don't have faith because I have reason. I have lots of irrational assumptions that aren't supported by reality, like the assumption I have that people will obey traffic laws, despite the observable reality that they don't.

I really wish the U.S. could be like other countries... they have religion, and they have science, and the more advanced countries don't have religion constantly trying to hop on the same platform as science. They do different things.

Science explains how things most likely came about given current evidence and theories, while religion tries to get people to sit down and swallow being treated horribly by their social superiors out of the hope that when they're all dead, things will get better. Really. Promise. Pinky swear!

I've known too many religious types to be OK with it. Most that I've known have been shouty, self-righteous, egotistical, and grossly obsessed with themselves. How self-centered is it to say that you were created in the very Image of God? That God created the entire planet just for you, and the entire cosmos just for you, so you'd have something to look at when you were bored?

Religion is for the childhood of our species. It worked during that time.

It's time we grew up.

Mordant: "As soon as someone mentions faith in an argument, the argument is over," says 15-year-old Ryan Lee, who skipped high school and is entering his junior year of college in Arizona. "Faith and the scientific method can't be combined in the same argument."

There are adults on Fark in the White House who can't even arrive at that conclusion if you help them onto the bus.

starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

I'm sorry, but my "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow is not anywhere close to the same thing as someone's "faith" that some deity killed himself/his son for the absolution of the sins that he himself imposed on his creations (and blah blah blah). Conflating a probabalistic conclusion based upon empirical evidence with the latter example is either completely obtuse or ridiculously ignorant.

The guy at the end of the thread: The mind is like a circut

Apparently you need to turn up the voltage to the spelling resistor.

Confabulat: I did it for the girls and the weed. Good times. Christian camps are great places for guilt-free teenage sexual activity. You can cry at the next day's group meeting.

If I have a son, one of the first pieces of advice I'll give him about women is that Christian girls are easy and take it in the pooper.

Slugs_of_a_banana_nature: My parents didn't raise me in any one faith. My dad let me go to Sunday school when I was little because a friend was going and I wanted to hang out with her... I got kicked out for being too energetic and asking too many questions.



"Will there be cavemen in heaven??"

starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

Since faith is belief without proof, then belief in gravity, evolution, etc. is not faith.

Suicidal Writer: Training Skeptics

"Evangelicals have camps. Catholics have camps. So we believe there's a need to have an alternative for students who are exploring other options out there," Bupp says.


Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

Oddly enough, Bupp's reasoning sounds similar to the NAAWP, which was since "they have their groups we should have ours." Which isn't negative in and of itself, but once it becomes part of one's identity, reactively, then one has become a part of what one opposed.

Are you saying that atheist parents should send their kids to Bible camps or none at all?

*shrug* I don't recall the programs I went to having any religious components -- they were more into number theory, proving systems, basic research in various sciences, et al.

/neeeeeeerd

Cool, indeed, but WTF does it have to do with politics?

kronicfeld: starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

I'm sorry, but my "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow is not anywhere close to the same thing as someone's "faith" that some deity killed himself/his son for the absolution of the sins that he himself imposed on his creations (and blah blah blah). Conflating a probabalistic conclusion based upon empirical evidence with the latter example is either completely obtuse or ridiculously ignorant.

I think the phrase you're looking for here is "reasonal expectation." The sun rising is a prime example.

Fart_Machine:
kronicfeld:

I'm sorry, but you're going to need to do better than, "It's not the same faith because mine is more true!" To a Christian, a believer, they believe just as strongly.

Heffaloo: starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

Since faith is belief without proof, then belief in gravity, evolution, etc. is not faith.

Okay, prove it to be conclusively true. I suspect you may find yourself up for a Nobel, not just win an argument on Fark.

A Christian may cite evidence of their messiah as the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc. Faith is faith, and just because it's not religious faith, but scientific, does not make it any less faith.

starsrift: Mordant: "As soon as someone mentions faith in an argument, the argument is over," says 15-year-old Ryan Lee, who skipped high school and is entering his junior year of college in Arizona. "Faith and the scientific method can't be combined in the same argument."

There are adults on Fark who can't even arrive at that conclusion if you help them onto the bus.

I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

"Gravity" is a word meaning "the attractive field emitted by matter." There is ton of evidence for such a field.

The theory of universal gravitation as formed by Newton was that the same laws the govern gravitation here on Earth extend to the whole universe, and interactions between all massive, otherwise neutral bodies. This theory has problems, and was revised by Einstein.

These people sound just ignorant as the fundies

starsrift: To a Christian, a believer, they believe just as strongly.

It's not my fault they're stupid.

starsrift: Fart_Machine:
kronicfeld:

I'm sorry, but you're going to need to do better than, "It's not the same faith because mine is more true!" To a Christian, a believer, they believe just as strongly.

Heffaloo: starsrift: I'm sorry, but this conclusion is wrong. When you can't conclusively prove that something is true - ie gravity, evolution - it becomes faith that it is true, based upon the evidence that you can gather. You believe it, but you cannot prove it.

Since faith is belief without proof, then belief in gravity, evolution, etc. is not faith.

Okay, prove it to be conclusively true. I suspect you may find yourself up for a Nobel, not just win an argument on Fark.

A Christian may cite evidence of their messiah as the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc. Faith is faith, and just because it's not religious faith, but scientific, does not make it any less faith.

I can use a mathematical formula based on the law of gravity to predict how fast an object will fall in a vacuum and the orbital period of the Earth with great accuracy. That's as true as you get.

starsrift: Fart_Machine:
kronicfeld:

I'm sorry, but you're going to need to do better than, "It's not the same faith because mine is more true!" To a Christian, a believer, they believe just as strongly.

/facepalm

Do you even know what empirical evidence is?

From TFA: "I don't think I'm an atheist," he says. "I just don't have beliefs, but I tell my family that and they think I'm the devil because I don't believe in God."

This is sad but true for many people. There's no way in hell I'd let my wife's family know I'm an atheist. It was hard enough explaining why we didn't get our daughter baptized.

\It's because we want her baptism to be important to her

DrMcNinja: These people sound just ignorant as the fundies

Except for the "Not believing in omnipotent, omnicient yet anthropomorphic figures which do nothing observable yet are of universal importance" part.

DrMcNinja: These people sound just ignorant as the fundies

Do have a specific quote as an example?

/seriously...I'm interested...

Suicidal Writer: Yet another example of the New Atheist movement turning into a religion. It's mostly an American thing though.

I'm not even an atheist but that's a really farking stupid thing to say.

RemyDuron: I can use a mathematical formula based on the law of gravity to predict how fast an object will fall in a vacuum and the orbital period of the Earth with great accuracy. That's as true as you get.

Wheee physics.

Lots of Brights contributin tonight.

Fart_Machine: Do you even know what empirical evidence is?

You know, things like the gospels and Dead Sea Scrolls and that one guy on World Net Daily who showed satellite pictures proving that Noah's Ark washed up on Mt. Sinai.

Why can't camp just be camp? Why does it have to for future business leaders, christians, atheists, dogs lovers, artists, blah...

Can't we just shoot bows, ride in canoes and get some tongue action from Betty Sue down by the lake after lights out?


The rest of this thread will be just as dumb as this camp as everyone argues faith, religion and science. They have and will continue to coexist no matter how much you argue about it... your views are just that.. get over yourself.

starsrift: Okay, prove it to be conclusively true. I suspect you may find yourself up for a Nobel, not just win an argument on Fark.

A Christian may cite evidence of their messiah as the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc. Faith is faith, and just because it's not religious faith, but scientific, does not make it any less faith.

I don't think you're understanding. I can perform experiments that demonstrate the laws of physics. I have yet to see an experiment that can conclusively demonstrate the existence of god.

If you still don't get it, I'm not going to argue with you about it. I'm fairly convinced that there's a functional difference between the brains of believers and skeptics.

RemyDuron: I can use a mathematical formula based on the law of gravity to predict how fast an object will fall in a vacuum and the orbital period of the Earth with great accuracy. That's as true as you get.

That's merely an observation of the properties of gravity, not definitive proof of the theory.


Fart_Machine: starsrift: Fart_Machine:
/facepalm

Do you even know what empirical evidence is?

I personally know many Christians who will attest to having empirical evidence of their religion.

The fact that they're wrong and/or are simply misinterpreting things doesn't make it any less "empirical evidence".

blipponaut: Why can't camp just be camp? Why does it have to for future business leaders, christians, atheists, dogs lovers, artists, blah...

Can't we just shoot bows, ride in canoes and get some tongue action from Betty Sue down by the lake after lights out?

Well, most camps are like that. They usually don't get news coverage.

The rest of this thread will be just as dumb as this camp as everyone argues faith, religion and science. They have and will continue to coexist no matter how much you argue about it... your views are just that.. get over yourself.

So you're objecting to people who share views getting together and talking about them? How do you feel about political parties?

Lionel Mandrake: DrMcNinja: These people sound just ignorant as the fundies

Do have a specific quote as an example?

/seriously...I'm interested...

"If God really, really wanted us to know he existed, he'd make daily appearances: Like 'It's 3:15. Oh, it's God time!'"