Bob Barr has done a lot of damage. Ron Paul, for all his faults, has been consistent for decades. Bob Barr, according to his former wife, also encouraged the execution of a child even though he was yet another Republican manipulating the pro=life movement. Ron Paul is pro-life and appears to be scarred from witnessing the execution of a child:

Paul also opposes abortion, which he believes should be addressed at the state level, not the national one. He remembers seeing a late abortion performed during his residency, years before Roe v. Wade, and he maintains it left an impression on him. "It was pretty dramatic for me," he says, "to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket."


Barr's supposed conversion is nice, but he was an ardent proponent of the drug war and various other policies. How convenient that he chooses to run for president, but not for Congress as a Libertarian. It appears the LP is just a venue for him to exercise his ambition.

Bob Barr is the worst thing that's ever happened to the Libertarian Party. What a bunch of farking morons.

I've wanted the LP to emerge as a viable third party for years now, but I can't do it when they nominate a man who spent his entire career as a hard-line neocon.

You've got to be a complete moron to support this guy. Libertarians usually, and rightfully, push the message that voting party-line is harmful for our country, and now some Libertarians are going to vote party-line for a man that made a career out of strengthening the drug war, crusading for Christian values, and attempting to impeach Clinton and standing silent during this administration.

And what's worse is that his plan (dramatically altering all his positions to be a Libertarian) is working. Ex-Paul supporters are already setting up "Barr Bombs" the same way they did money bombs with Paul. Sigh.

Yeah...two words: "Patriot Act". Now hand over the LP nomination, Bob.

The Libertarian party is trying its hardest to both alienate its members and confuse the undecided. Like him or hate him (for the record, I like him), Ron Paul is consistent in his beliefs and has a sold core of supporters. Does anybody really like Bob Barr?

As a tangent, John McCain seems to be in the same boat. Are there Republicans that are enthusiastic about him? Is there anyone?

schrodinger: Bob Barr vs. Ron Paul. This is how they stack up against each other

LEMON PARTY!

To vote for one thing no matter what...

Well that just seems Libertarian
or crazy
or is that the same thing?

or is that GOP???

/says the libertarian-progressive...ok, true independent
/I know...kind of contradictive...but it works (like quantum mechanics)

Duke_Phillips: What I always find amusing are the people in fark threads who say they doubt Obama's sincerity so they're voting for Bob Barr.

That's like saying "Well, I don't wanna fark this girl i just met cuz she may have VD. So I'm gonna fark this prostitute bareback instead"


Only a small percentage of Ron Paul supporters went to Barr and Obama after wards.

For the most part we don't care who wins this election. we focused our attention on something more productive, divide and conquer the two parties.

BOB BARR BOB BARR BOB BARR BOB BARR

I give up. The Democrats have abandoned classic liberalism and gone on the corporate payroll. The Republicans have forgotten what the word "conservative" even means. The Libertarians sold out a long time ago- I left the party in 2001, in disgust. Next, I expect the Greens to start taking campaign contributions from ADM and EXXON.
Where the hell do we go from here?

jso2897: Where the hell do we go from here

Vote from the rooftops?

jso2897: I give up. The Democrats have abandoned classic liberalism and gone on the corporate payroll. The Republicans have forgotten what the word "conservative" even means. The Libertarians sold out a long time ago- I left the party in 2001, in disgust. Next, I expect the Greens to start taking campaign contributions from ADM and EXXON.
Where the hell do we go from here?

Well, according to the "series of boxes" theory of enacting social change, the next step would be to seek redress through the courts.

Soapbox --- Ballot Box --- Jury Box --- Ammo Box

Echoic: Bob Barr is the worst thing that's ever happened to the Libertarian Party. What a bunch of farking morons.

I've wanted the LP to emerge as a viable third party for years now, but I can't do it when they nominate a man who spent his entire career as a hard-line neocon.

You've got to be a complete moron to support this guy. Libertarians usually, and rightfully, push the message that voting party-line is harmful for our country, and now some Libertarians are going to vote party-line for a man that made a career out of strengthening the drug war, crusading for Christian values, and attempting to impeach Clinton and standing silent during this administration.

And what's worse is that his plan (dramatically altering all his positions to be a Libertarian) is working. Ex-Paul supporters are already setting up "Barr Bombs" the same way they did money bombs with Paul. Sigh.

I kept trying to find a line in your comment to quote and say "this". Then I realized that the entire comment was spot on.

Echoic: I've wanted the LP to emerge as a viable third party for years now

Me too. It'll be great to have solid Democratic majority for 10-20 years.

Barr's connection to the C.I.A. and his occupation as a lawyer makes his libertarian candidateship somewhat uneasy to accept.


Ya think?

i am a registered libertarian after 10 yrs working overseas. i followed the convention and was disgusted that barr ended up the candidate. i guess when the opportunity comes up and people can take advantage of a situation they will.

i agree with many things that ron paul proposes (not all) but i find his biggest supporters to be major douches.

its like the hemp people. i agree in principal to a lot of what they are saying its just that the main supporters i meet or hear speak just seem to want to toke up all the time. they spout that hemp fiber is this or that and it isn't about getting high. well don't smell like a spice factory and have dorito residue on your beard or have twinkie filling on your lips and i might believe you a little bit.

am cranky and have had a huge headache for the past two days that will not go away. maybe i need a drink or something.

Hooray! Another opportunity to use my photoshop:



/I have nothing useful to add

jso2897: I give up. The Democrats have abandoned classic liberalism and gone on the corporate payroll. The Republicans have forgotten what the word "conservative" even means. The Libertarians sold out a long time ago- I left the party in 2001, in disgust. Next, I expect the Greens to start taking campaign contributions from ADM and EXXON.
Where the hell do we go from here?

Networking? (new window)

Echoic: Bob Barr is the worst thing that's ever happened to the Libertarian Party. What a bunch of farking morons.


But he's the king of the elephants!

Suicidal Writer: Bob Barr has done a lot of damage. Ron Paul, for all his faults, has been consistent for decades. Bob Barr, according to his former wife, also encouraged the execution of a child even though he was yet another Republican manipulating the pro=life movement. Ron Paul is pro-life and appears to be scarred from witnessing the execution of a child:


Fark Bob Barr but also fark people who say things like "executing a child" when it's actually an abortion. So Suicidal Writer you're willing to die for a porn star's right to express her art but not for a woman who wants to control what happens with her body?

Uhp!!! CIA? keep this scumbag away from my White House!

Barr's connection to the C.I.A. and his occupation as a lawyer makes his libertarian candidateship somewhat uneasy to accept.

Huh? I get the CIA thing, but being a lawyer has jackshiat to do with libertarianism. I agree that Bob Barr is a hypocritical tard, but that site is full of fail.

Barr sucks, and I won't donate to his campaign, but I will vote for him. He's the lesser of three evils. Yes, three.

Ron Paul has fanboys, Bob Barr does not. That's the main difference.

josephstalin: The Libertarian party is trying its hardest to both alienate its members and confuse the undecided. Like him or hate him (for the record, I like him), Ron Paul is consistent in his beliefs and has a sold core of supporters. Does anybody really like Bob Barr?

As a tangent, John McCain seems to be in the same boat. Are there Republicans that are enthusiastic about him? Is there anyone?

Churchill_2024 (did I get that name right?) should be showing up to defend him any second now. I'm pretty sure he's the only one on Fark, and Fark is historically full of Libertarians.

/I was hoping they'd nominate Ventura.

wolvernova: Barr sucks, and I won't donate to his campaign, but I will vote for him. He's the lesser of three evils. Yes, three.



This fourth evil would like to have a word with you.

I found this on a website today and I thought it pertinent:

"I had a great 8th grade Social Studies teacher. I still remember the unconventional, yet effective way he taught me about the U.S. electoral process. He had me go to the broom closet, get undressed, he came in, lubed me up with mop water, broke a load off in my ass, used my underwear to wipe us both off, threatened to kill me if I ever told anyone and concluded the civics lesson with '...and that's how the democratic process of voting works in America'. "

coco ebert
Fark Bob Barr but also fark people who say things like "executing a child" when it's actually an abortion. So Suicidal Writer you're willing to die for a porn star's right to express her art but not for a woman who wants to control what happens with her body?

If, in his/her eyes, it's the death of a child (and I think we're talking about partial birth abortion here, but I could be wrong) then you can see why he/she would support a person having the freedom to want to do what they wish with their own body, but that freedom ending when it endangers someone else's body.

Jambuu: Uhp!!! CIA? keep this scumbag away from my White House!

You don't know much about that place. The only thing that being part of the CIA gives him is a better understanding of the world. They're not as spooky as you think they are, though they could have been when Barr was there.

wolvernova: You don't know much about that place. The only thing that being part of the CIA gives him is a better understanding of the world. They're not as spooky as you think they are, though they could have been when Barr was there.

Why do you believe that Barr has rejected his former authoritarian stances? What about his story rings true to you?

Remember, any explanation has to account for why it took him 20+ years to come to that realization.


Oh, and the main problem this article has is in saying that Ron Paul was libertarian. He wasn't a very good fit with libertarianism at all.

He was a good fit with federalism, which bears no resemblance to and no allegiance with libertarianism.

Paedophile_Deluxe: Barr's connection to the C.I.A. and his occupation as a lawyer makes his libertarian candidateship somewhat uneasy to accept.

Huh? I get the CIA thing, but being a lawyer has jackshiat to do with libertarianism. I agree that Bob Barr is a hypocritical tard, but that site is full of fail.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I would think a lawyer would be an ideal person to be a libertarian because they know more about rights than the average person. One of the worst aspects of the Bush administration is how lawyers have been the primary actors in taking away civil rights and legalizing torture. Most influential man in the admin: David Addington perhaps? Maybe that's what the article is referring to?

Is "candidateship" even a word? Shouldn't it be "candidacy"?

I Said: coco ebert

If, in his/her eyes, it's the death of a child (and I think we're talking about partial birth abortion here, but I could be wrong) then you can see why he/she would support a person having the freedom to want to do what they wish with their own body, but that freedom ending when it endangers someone else's body.

I agree that partial birth abortion is a really difficult issue for people to wrap their heads around but there's nothing in the article that refers to that. Instead they use words like "child" instead of "embryo" or "fetus". The insinuation behind the wording bothers me.

jso2897: Where the hell do we go from here?

A friend of mine wrote in the Constitution party candidate during the '04 election.

Of course, I don't think their third principle:
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
appears anywhere in the Constitution.

coco ebert: I agree that partial birth abortion is a really difficult issue for people to wrap their heads around but there's nothing in the article that refers to that. Instead they use words like "child" instead of "embryo" or "fetus". The insinuation behind the wording bothers me.

My bad. I honestly thought it was explicitly in there, but I could easily have read it wrong.

And in that case I agree with your point.

The Libertarian party needs to start winning local and state elections and build up a solid, reliable base before making a serious attempt at the presidency. I mean, they have to at least run a candidate, but really the effort and money should be spent where it can have the most benefit: locally.

If I were in charge of the party, I'd set a modest, achievable goal, for example at least 10% representation in all 50 states' governments, plus one state governor within 20 years. That would be infinitely better for the party than blowing their wad on an unwinnable national election every four years.

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BOB BARR!! BOB BARR!!

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BOB BARR!! BOB BARR!!

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/to the tune of the Badger song

Too grumpy religious paleoconservatives dressed up in Libertarian clothing to try and re-sell their crotchety old values to the younger generation by wrapping it up in "FREEDOM!".

You libertarians should be able to do way, way better.

Whoop, too = two. Epoch fail.

My voting strategy for the last 8 years * has been to vote Libertarian in all the local elections, anti-democrat, and anti-incumbent. If I don't have a choice of incumbent vs. anti-incumbent, I leave it blank.

Term limits. I give you them with my vote.

* except for that one year in Georgia when I voted for Al Sharpton in the primary...

Rev. Skarekroe:

Churchill_2024 (did I get that name right?) should be showing up to defend him any second now. I'm pretty sure he's the only one on Fark, and Fark is historically full of Libertarians Republicans who pretend they never voted for Bush.



FTFY

Occam's Chainsaw: jso2897: I give up. The Democrats have abandoned classic liberalism and gone on the corporate payroll. The Republicans have forgotten what the word "conservative" even means. The Libertarians sold out a long time ago- I left the party in 2001, in disgust. Next, I expect the Greens to start taking campaign contributions from ADM and EXXON.
Where the hell do we go from here?

Well, according to the "series of boxes" theory of enacting social change, the next step would be to seek redress through the courts.

Soapbox --- Ballot Box --- Jury Box --- Ammo Box



Fish, plankton, sea greens... protein from the sea!

This is just what the 2major parties want: squabbling over who is a bigger libertarian. It keeps them from organizing into anything close to challenging their death grip on the Federal government.


Keep it up boys, you are doing a fine job.

farkuufarkinfark: except for that one year in Georgia when I voted for Al Sharpton in the primary...

Ordinarily I'd be angry with you for undermining the principles of democracy by trying to push the unelectable candidate into the main election in a cynical attempt to have his party fail... but fortunately you also destroy your own ability to have any effect on politics in every other way by voting Libertarian, so it all balances out.

Just came here to say...



/Ron Paul

RON PAUL sucks.

FTFA:Barr's connection to the C.I.A. and his occupation as a lawyer makes his libertarian candidateship somewhat uneasy to accept.

Because actually understand how US law system actually works is the antithesis to the libertarian way of making shiat up.

coco ebert: So Suicidal Writer you're willing to die for a porn star's right to express her art but not for a woman who wants to control what happens with her body?

Rights typically end when they physically infringe on a non-consenting party. There is no difference between an abortion and shaking an infant to death. They are both the execution of a defenseless human, and one who lacks a voice. So, no I wouldn't die for the right of one human to murder another.

Suicidal Writer: coco ebert: So Suicidal Writer you're willing to die for a porn star's right to express her art but not for a woman who wants to control what happens with her body?

Rights typically end when they physically infringe on a non-consenting party. There is no difference between an abortion and shaking an infant to death. They are both the execution of a defenseless human, and one who lacks a voice. So, no I wouldn't die for the right of one human to murder another.

And so, as all great debates, this reduces to the definition of "party".

Suicidal Writer: There is no difference between an abortion and shaking an infant to death. They are both the execution of a defenseless human, and one who lacks a voice. So, no I wouldn't die for the right of one human to murder another.

Please provide a definition of a human being that doesn't include sentience.

farkuufarkinfark: If I don't have a choice of incumbent vs. anti-incumbent, I leave it blank.

I write in the names of friends and family. "Hey mom, I voted for you to be county commissioner!"