Will he order the cakes a la pan?

can you blame him?

/pancakes

McCain is getting tens of thousands of dollars from Moozlims? The "librul MSM" will be all over this!!

...or not.

FTA: It's illegal for foreigners to contribute their own money to U.S. campaigns.

Wait... so is it legal for foreigners to contribute other people's money to U.S. campaigns?

JohnnyC: Wait... so is it legal for foreigners to contribute other people's money to U.S. campaigns?

If you are a foreign citizen and you steal money from an American you are legally allowed to contribute that money to a political campaign, however you are still obliged to report the money to the IRS as earned revenue.

/not a lawyer
/not an accountant
/obvious

JohnnyC: FTA: It's illegal for foreigners to contribute their own money to U.S. campaigns.

Wait... so is it legal for foreigners to contribute other people's money to U.S. campaigns?

That sounds iffy.

If memory serves, you have to be at least a permanent resident to contribute $ to a federal campaign (and in that case, you can contribute but not vote. Heh.)

Oh right because old people like pancakes.

I wish this meme would die and I'm NOT a McCain supporter.

Lionel Mandrake: The "librul MSM" will be all over this!!

Just like they were with donations made by Monir Edwan and Hosam Edwan?

I thought we're playing the muslim association game but I see Mccain so no way there's anything wrong. ABC.com tried to explain it away but there has to be more to this story.

lets recap Mccain's week

1)enters his wife in a topless beauty pageant at Sturgis.
2)him and one of his campaign managers are directly involved in the merger of DHL with a German company that laying of 8000 people in Ohio.
3)he gets pwned in tire gage-gate.
4)and now this $50,000 mistake.

yet Obama is the one going on vacation for a week cause a poll said 48% of americans are suffering from "Obama fatigue"?

Mccain's attempt to portray the media as in the tank for Obama has to be considered a success cause anyone having the
week Mccain is having would be so far down in the polls but not him.

TripSixes: Oh right because old people like pancakes.

I wish this meme would die and I'm NOT a McCain supporter.

Its worse than that. The whole "PANCAKES" meme is from an Onion article about Alzheimers. I find it to be one of the most mean spirited and disgusting attacks this campaign has seen. If anyone has seen friends or family members suffer from this disease, I doubt you'd find the meme funny, too.

"Being a Muslim" does not rob you of your memories and basic brain functions, slowly dooming you to a lonely world in which you don't even remember your own spouse. Nor does being mocked on the cover of a magazine. For all the faux outrage from the Dems about the littlest slight, the fact that they have to sink this low is revolting.

And before you jump on me for insinuating Obama is a muslim, I know he isn't. That statement is as true as the one about McCain having Alzheimers.

Dancin_In_Anson: Just like they were with donations made by Monir Edwan and Hosam Edwan?

Returning illegal donations is not a big deal. Monir Edwan and Hosam Edwan (not sure on the spelling, actually) made contributions claiming they were citizens of the United States. When the Obama campaign discovered they were not, they returned they money, just as the McCain campaign is doing.

That alone is no big deal whatsoever. What is a bigger deal about this story is that there are allegations of straw donations through Sargeant-- some of the people he's bundled contributions from aren't even registered to vote.

In any case, I'm seriously doubting there's been any complicity or direct contact from the McCain campaign to Sargeant; even if there is any impropriety, it's pretty certainly just on Sargeant's shoulders himself.

However, the McCain campaign could be a little more proactive about this, both in investigation Sargeant (given that he's lifelong friends with Crist, it shouldn't be that hard), and returning the bulk of his donations, especially from those people who aren't registered to vote.

And before you jump on me for insinuating Obama is a muslim, I know he isn't. That statement is as true as the one about McCain having Alzheimers.

The difference between the two claims, that Obama is a muslim and that McCain is old, is that one of them is *true*. Subtle, but concentrate really hard and you might spot it.

Obdicut: When the Obama campaign discovered they were not, they returned they money, just as the McCain campaign is doing.

They disagree.

Dancin_In_Anson: They disagree.

So why, exactly, do you believe them? What possible motivation would there be for Obama to keep the tiny amount that they gave him?

Seriously, dude.

Dancin_In_Anson: They disagree.

And wow, did you even read your own link?

The brothers denied their financial transactions were actual donations to Obama's campaign, claiming they purchased about $30,000 in Obama T-shirts from the presidential candidate's online store - a contention that did not hold up during a WND interview, when they changed their story several times.

"My brother Hosam and I knew that Obama will be a big hit even before he became a candidate. We knew the guy would be a celebrity in Gaza so we decided to invest the amount of $29,000 to buy Obama T-shirts from his website and sell them in Gaza," Monir Edwan told WND, speaking by cell phone from Gaza.

So you believe them because...?

Mordac Lord of Unholy Fury: TripSixes: Oh right because old people like pancakes.

I wish this meme would die and I'm NOT a McCain supporter.

Its worse than that. The whole "PANCAKES" meme is from an Onion article about Alzheimers. I find it to be one of the most mean spirited and disgusting attacks this campaign has seen. If anyone has seen friends or family members suffer from this disease, I doubt you'd find the meme funny, too.

"Being a Muslim" does not rob you of your memories and basic brain functions, slowly dooming you to a lonely world in which you don't even remember your own spouse. Nor does being mocked on the cover of a magazine. For all the faux outrage from the Dems about the littlest slight, the fact that they have to sink this low is revolting.

And before you jump on me for insinuating Obama is a muslim, I know he isn't. That statement is as true as the one about McCain having Alzheimers.

Why so serious?

/grandmother has alzheimers
//sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's funny

ungraceful ganesha: That statement is as true as the one about McCain having Alzheimers.

Are you quite sure about that? If McCain's medical team detected signs of onset do you think his PR team would call a press conference about it? You know, like Reagan did.

Says: "He gave it back? ROOKIE!"


/Norman Hsu FTW!

Mordac Lord of Unholy Fury
ungraceful ganesha

I guess I quoted the wrong farker.

Who am I?
Will you take me home?

ungraceful ganesha: Why so serious?

/grandmother has alzheimers
//sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's funny

While the McCain pancakes meme does suck, the classic Reagan's dementia is still amusing.

/Gran had the Alzheimer's.

Mordac Lord of Unholy Fury: Its worse than that. The whole "PANCAKES" meme is from an Onion article about Alzheimers. I find it to be one of the most mean spirited and disgusting attacks this campaign has seen. If anyone has seen friends or family members suffer from this disease, I doubt you'd find the meme funny, too.

I've had three different people in my family with Alzheimers (which means that I have a pretty good idea of what I get to look forward to in 30 years or so, yay me!) and I don't find this particularly offensive.

You know, for someone a fark handle like yours, you really need to man up, Nancy. Maybe you need to find another website that won't offend your delicate sensibilities so much.

Obdicut: So you believe them because...?

Who said I believe them. I was merely pointing out that the Lionel Mandrake: The "librul MSM" will be all over this!!

TripSixes: Oh right because old people like pancakes.

I wish this meme would die and I'm NOT a McCain supporter.

why do you hate delicious pancakes?

Why aren't all the FARK Independents^TM condemning this?

Where are they?

Ed Finnerty: Why aren't all the FARK IndependentsTM condemning this?

Where are they?

Traveling?

Dancin_In_Anson: Who said I believe them. I was merely pointing out that the Lionel Mandrake: The "librul MSM" will be all over this!!

I'm sorry, what were you pointing out by posting a link with no explanation whatsoever?

I don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through.

Do you understand, as I posted, that the issue is not illegal donations-- which are routine, and routinely refunded-- but allegations that these are straw donations, which is much more serious?

Ed Finnerty: Why aren't all the FARK IndependentsTM condemning this?

Where are they?

Condemnation of this would be a little over the top.

As I said, illegal donations are not a big deal; actively soliciting illegal donations, not perofrming proper oversight to avoid them, etc.-- that's a big deal.

There is nowhere near any direct evidence that the McCain campaign was complicit in these donations; there are questions about why this bundler is so trusted, given that his tactics appear shady, to say the least. I'd think what the McCain campaign ought to do is refund all money raised and bundled by him.

However, it's not a gigantic deal unless some kind of link can be made that shows McCain's campaign knew that these donations were likely to be illegal or improper.

ungraceful ganesha: Traveling?



Nicely played!

Obdicut: There is nowhere near any direct evidence that the McCain campaign was complicit in these donations; there are questions about why this bundler is so trusted, given that his tactics appear shady, to say the least. I'd think what the McCain campaign ought to do is refund all money raised and bundled by him.

Maybe the real question is why "bundlers" are allowed to operate at all. This is one of the shadiest campaign finance tactics and both parties actively engage in it.

Did Hillary ever really give that money back since there was not much initial follow up and she needs to pay her bills? Does Obama have any Rezko money left or will he find another few G's in his coffers? He does not need it now, however. Is McCain giving back all the money?

Typical White Person: Maybe the real question is why "bundlers" are allowed to operate at all. This is one of the shadiest campaign finance tactics and both parties actively engage in it.

No, it's not, and any prohibition against it would be very strange and silly.

It allows for shadiness-- it's not shady in and of itself.

Obdicut: Typical White Person: Maybe the real question is why "bundlers" are allowed to operate at all. This is one of the shadiest campaign finance tactics and both parties actively engage in it.

No, it's not, and any prohibition against it would be very strange and silly.

It allows for shadiness-- it's not shady in and of itself.

I have to disagree. If you want to fund a candidate, do it. Send the money yourself. But allowing third parties to do so lends itself to corruption and questions of where the money actually came from in the first place.

Bundling and PACs should be outlawed.

Typical White Person: I have to disagree. If you want to fund a candidate, do it. Send the money yourself. But allowing third parties to do so lends itself to corruption and questions of where the money actually came from in the first place.

I don't think you know what bundlers do, then.

Obdicut: Typical White Person: I have to disagree. If you want to fund a candidate, do it. Send the money yourself. But allowing third parties to do so lends itself to corruption and questions of where the money actually came from in the first place.

I don't think you know what bundlers do, then.

I know exactly what they do. I just take a very strict view of campaign finance.

Obdicut: Do you understand, as I posted, that the issue is not illegal donations-- which are routine, and routinely refunded-- but allegations that these are straw donations, which is much more serious?

Straw donations are far more serious than illegal donations directly from foreign nationals?

Oh wait...these weren't donations. These were t-shirt purchases for profit. Only how they generated a profit selling $20.00 shirts for $9.00 remains a mystery.

Dancin_In_Anson: Straw donations are far more serious than illegal donations directly from foreign nationals?

Yes. The foreign nationals claimed to be American citizens, and donated. When it was discovered they were foreign nationals-- in both cases-- the money was refunded. That's reasonable, simple, and not a big deal. Similarly, many people overdonate, and have their donations refunded-- those donations (from citizens) are illegal past a certain point, but it's a common mistake and nobody thinks anything of it as long as the campaigns do a good job of noting and refunding the money.

Straw donations are when someone pays for someone else to donate, or otherwise coerces them to donate when they are not actually showing support for the candidate; remember, the ruling that money is speech doesn't meant that the flow of money in politics is unfettered, it means a donation really is saying "I support this candidate". So a donation that's actually just a favor to the person soliciting the donation is literally illegal; this is generally hard to prove, but the spirit of it is quite clear. The number of people this guy has solicited donations from who aren't registered to vote and appear to not be involved in politics in any other manner is the unethical part.

You do understand that I've said that I believe McCain's campaign is most likely blameless in this, right?

Oh wait...these weren't donations. These were t-shirt purchases for profit. Only how they generated a profit selling $20.00 shirts for $9.00 remains a mystery.

Can you have the balls to actually say what you're implying instead of snarking around it? Just say what you mean.

Obdicut: Can you have the balls to actually say what you're implying instead of snarking around it? Just say what you mean.

Yeah. Quit acting like nothing untoward ever happens in the Obama camp.

Dancin_In_Anson: Yeah. Quit acting like nothing untoward ever happens in the Obama camp.

I haven't, at any point. I have no clue why you'd say this. Thank you for speaking directly, though.

And I repeat:

You do understand that I've said that I believe McCain's campaign is most likely blameless in this, right?

Ed Finnerty: Why aren't all the FARK IndependentsTM condemning this?

Where are they?

I recall one who kept trying to rake Obama over the coals for this (3_Butt_Cheeks), that I don't seem to see at all in this topic. Whatta shock.

We should load up on a lot of redstate's Obama is the antiChrist ^{(^)} merchandise and go to Texas where we'll make a mint.