Unforgiven III? Seriously?

Welp. Any hope that this album is gonna rule just went in the shiatter next to St. Anger.

I tuned out half way through the Black album.

Mugato: I tuned out half way through the Black album.

summerizing what I feel about them musically in less than 10 words, thanks

Gaping hairy twat....was the first impression I got when looking at the cover...

Andric: Unforgiven III? Seriously?

Welp. Any hope that this album is gonna rule just went in the shiatter next to St. Anger.


I think we need to give it a listen before we dismiss it.
I've heard a few clips, and they sound like AWESOME.

'The Unforgiven III'

Ha-ha. That's like saying, we know this album is going to suck, we aren't capable of living up to our past work...so... uhh... we're going to go ahead and throw this "remake" of a "remake" and hope the people who have a fond memory of the original are gullible enough to buy it (out of tribute to the original).


Also, please don't download our album.. That is stealing....

ekdikeo4: I think we need to give it a listen before we dismiss it.
I've heard a few clips, and they sound like AWESOME.

There is nothing they can do to undo what Lars did... the whole point of hard-rock/metal is being counter-culture.. The music gods will never grant them another "Sgt. Peppers" because they sided with the RIAA. They will die a slow death of irrelevance...

Neurochemist: ekdikeo4: I think we need to give it a listen before we dismiss it.
I've heard a few clips, and they sound like AWESOME.

There is nothing they can do to undo what Lars did... the whole point of hard-rock/metal is being counter-culture.. The music gods will never grant them another "Sgt. Peppers" because they sided with the RIAA. They will die a slow death of irrelevance...

I'd say when they say "hey, guys stop stealing our shiat", especially considering they've always had the "share our live, don't share the albums" thing going, shouldn't condemn them.

Wether you agree or not, making zillions of copies of stuff that is not normally free, is theft. I hate the RIAA as much as anyone else, but I can't argue that sharing all that isn't stealing.

Wether you agree or not, making zillions of copies of stuff that is not normally free, is theft. I hate the RIAA as much as anyone else, but I can't argue that sharing all that isn't stealing.

The artists who make good music, embrace the "new technology" and stand against the RIAA are going to do just fine... Ask Radiohead... If Metallica had been smart enough to use their method (give it away and pay what you feel like it is worth model) they would be a lot richer right now... That is.. if their music hadn't sucked..

It has been said a million times...and I'll say it again... There is no way to prove that people who download music would purchase it if it wasn't available for free. I'd be willing the vast majority of them would not.

Neurochemist: Wether you agree or not, making zillions of copies of stuff that is not normally free, is theft. I hate the RIAA as much as anyone else, but I can't argue that sharing all that isn't stealing.

The artists who make good music, embrace the "new technology" and stand against the RIAA are going to do just fine... Ask Radiohead... If Metallica had been smart enough to use their method (give it away and pay what you feel like it is worth model) they would be a lot richer right now... That is.. if their music hadn't sucked..

It has been said a million times...and I'll say it again... There is no way to prove that people who download music would purchase it if it wasn't available for free. I'd be willing the vast majority of them would not.


That's mostly bullshiat, and I expect you know that - you're a lot smarter than what you're saying here. Radiohead is not likely to repeat that idea. Everyone downloaded it, discovered it sucked ass, and wouldn't give them a dime for it. Reznor, same thing, although he garnered up enough pre-sales of the $100+ special editions, before releasing it for free, that no one had time to find out how bad it sucked before they had already been duped into it. Although he arguably gave them a ton of value-added stuff to go along with their $100-$1000 purchases, so I guess that made up for the absoltue sonic garbage.

Only act prior to digital distribution being mainstream that I can think of, who has turned free into profit is Prince - and he sure as hell hasn't been giving it away via digital distribution.

You're absolutely correct on that last point - there is no way to prove that those who download freely would've bought the music legitimately, anyway. That doesn't change that the music that they have downloaded is NOT freely available, meaning that you CAN'T DO THAT (legally).

If I download / pirate 3D Studio (a piece of software that has a price tag approaching the GNP of some small nations), and use it, but otherwise would've not bothered using it, because I wouldn't have paid for it, is that right?

In spite of Radiohead letting fans pay whatever they like for a CD download of their latest release 'In Rainbows', the Oxford-based band has made quite a mint off the album. While fans only paid about half of what new CDs cost in stores, Radiohead has made nearly $10 million dollars (about £4.8 million) in less than a week.

If what is happening is for real, a revolution in the way audiences receive their music may change the music industry forever. A poll made my Gigwise.com had a total of 3,000 participants saying on average they paid £4 for the album. Multiply that by the 1.2 million copies of the album now on fans' computers, and you get £4.8 million pounds!

Because Radiohead is no longer affiliated with a record label, the vast majority of the 'In Rainbows' profit will go to them, with minimal overheads. Compare this to selling it through an online store (iTunes, Snocap, etc), and they could only see as little as 25% of that profit. (new window)

Are you just making this shiat up? In Rainbows has a great chance at earning Radiohead more money than any other album in music history. That doesn't mean they will sell "more"...it means the band will earn more of the "most profit ever from any one cd"...

They netted over $6 per download by giving it away and allowing fans to pay what they wanted... (new window)

The average break down of where the typical CD profit goes... On average, $1.99 goes to the artists (new window)

No, the people that wrote that article were making shiat up.

the band's management did not release official sales figures, claiming that the Internet-only distribution was intended to boost sales of the physical album. Yet according to Yorke, Radiohead's profits from the digital download of In Rainbows outstripped combined profits from digital downloads of all of the band's other studio albums. A "discbox" including a bonus CD from the recording sessions, a double vinyl edition of the album, and a hardcover book of artwork was released in early December. In Rainbows was physically released in the UK in late December on XL Recordings and in North America in January 2008 on TBD Records.

Still dealing with labels, and refer to the bolded part.
Just because 1 million people downloaded the album, and paid an average of 4 UKP per, does not equate to much more than a drop in a bucket. They'd have made about the same selling the whole thing on iTunes, if not for this giant deal about OMG YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT FOR FREE generating them a bunch more traffic for a while. I don't have specific numbers available, but I bet that their box sets and special packages made them a ton more money than the online sales did - and probably why Trent mimiced that part of their approach.

It could take a while to find, but i'm pretty sure that sometime afterward, that their management had said that they wouldn't be repeating that experiment.

.. i take that back, a quick search of Fark.com found it for me...

Radiohead will not release their next album on the "pay whatever the hell you want to" marketing scheme (new window)

Not doing it again =/= it didn't work effectively. The numbers prove that it works...

They clearly believe that a large reason it "worked effectively" was the people who purchased it to stand against the music industry...And those people would not be back for the 2nd round.... If netting $6 per album download vs $2 per CD doesn't teach a band something, they clearly don't have a lot a faith in their work..

Watch what happens over the next 10-years with music.... This was just the beginning.... Any artist worth a damn will make more by allowing the buyer to name their price.. While the artists who suck and depend on "hype" to sell their CDs will continue to need the RIAA.

Neurochemist: If Metallica had been smart enough to use their method (give it away and pay what you feel like it is worth model) they would be a lot richer right now... That is.. if their music hadn't sucked..

Name one song by Metallica that song sucked and was NOT on St. Anger. (Garage Inc. doesn't count since not one of those songs is theirs; anyway, most of them kick ass)

Even the worst stuff from Load and ReLoad were at least "merely okay" on average. Not great, not the kind of stuff I'd listen to day in and day out; but at the same time not too bad, fairly decent for 90s rock, worth listening to once in a while for a change of pace.

King Something: Name one song by Metallica that song sucked and was NOT on St. Anger. (Garage Inc. doesn't count since not one of those songs is theirs; anyway, most of them kick ass)

Even the worst stuff from Load and ReLoad were at least "merely okay" on average. Not great, not the kind of stuff I'd listen to day in and day out; but at the same time not too bad, fairly decent for 90s rock, worth listening to once in a while for a change of pace.

You're asking the impossible for one reason: If it sucked, what makes you think that someone is going to remember it? Hence it sucked. Asking someone to prove a negative is silly. And no, Load and Reload weren't "merely okay," they blew chunks. I don't have to know the names of the songs to have heard the albums and can say "They sucked."

King Something: Even the worst stuff from Load and ReLoad were at least "merely okay" on average. Not great, not the kind of stuff I'd listen to day in and day out; but at the same time not too bad, fairly decent for 90s rock, worth listening to once in a while for a change of pace

and i've found that they grow on you too. I've got the entire Metallica discography minus St. Anger on my random play list for my wake up alarm. Songs I'd forgotten about from Load/Reload and ones I've never paid attention to on Garage, Inc and S&M totally catch my attention this way. (Also have the entire GnR collection and Megadeth in there too, except Megadeth's last album, which I also haven't purchased .. yet.. and Oh My God has really caught on with me over the past few days)

I've also found in my old age, i'm finally tiring of Kill 'Em All. :(

morphius501: Gaping hairy twat....was the first impression I got when looking at the cover...

Yeah, and boobs feel like giant sandbags too.

Glad to see that I'm not the only one for whom Unforgiven III stood out like a shining beacon of suck. Anyone want to keep up the line that Death Magnet is going to be their great return to form?

/Anyone?

Neurochemist: ekdikeo4: I think we need to give it a listen before we dismiss it.
I've heard a few clips, and they sound like AWESOME.

There is nothing they can do to undo what Lars did... the whole point of punk is being counter-culture.. The music gods will never grant them another "Sgt. Peppers" because they sided with the RIAA. They will die a slow death of irrelevance...

FTFY.

Metal is about getting as many hairy men, and non-hairy men like myself, as pumped up as possible so that they'll throw up the horns and air-guitar along with you, hopefully selling albums and building up a HARD AS FARK rep while doing it.

I love all their pre-Black Album stuff, I really enjoy the Black album as well. I like Load and Reload in that they are good albums, just not good Metallica albums. If those albums were put out by some other band they would rule, but by the standard they set with their earlier albums those two were kinda suck. S&M and Garage Inc. were great for what they were, and St. Anger defined suck. If any other band had put out St. Anger you never would have heard of it, local bar bands sound better than that. They should have retired 5 years ago and they would still have some credibility, hell if they retired before the napster incident they wouldn't be as hated as they are now. They blew it. At least the documentary Some Kind of Monster shows what douche nozzles they have all become.

I'm curious to see what Rubin will do for the band. He's done some amazing stuff.

But Unforgiven III might've killed any interest...

Unforgiven III? Seriously?

Welp. Any hope that this album is gonna rule just went in the shiatter next to St. Anger.

Yup. 'Unforgiven II' was one of their first really idiotic ideas. I agree with the others here. Metallica have been locked out of the secret cave of Metal Gods for being whiny corporate megaphones who happen to sue their own fans. Yeah.

Lars Ulrich is a little biatch baby who plays the drums like Stephen Hawking walks.

FTA

"Death Magnetic is Metallica's first studio album since 2003's multi-platinum St. Anger, which hit No. 1 in 30 countries and has sold nearly six million copies worldwide."

Because if it goes to #1 in 30 countries and sells nearly six million copies, it's good. NOT.

Lets just all hope its not another St. Anger

*crosses fingers

Unforgiven III??

I thought that whoever mentioned that the other day was kidding.

Stick a fork in 'em.

I used to love Metallica back in high school. I went to the S&M concert in MSG and had a great time, and I still think it's one of their best albums. (I love classical music as well.)

But after the Napster incident I will never buy one of Metallica's cds or one of their products again. In fact, I refuse to buy any cd put out by any member of the RIAA. If a band I like, and there are still a few, finds a way to put out music in a way that I can pay them directly for it, I will, and I'll do it gladly. But I'm pretty sure I will never purchase another non-classical cd. I still haven't listened to any songs on Snakes and Arrows despite being a big Rush fan because I don't want to jilt the band by downloading it (I respect them a lot) but also don't want to support any of the corporate behemoths. Any suggestions?

Andric: Unforgiven III? Seriously?

Welp. Any hope that this album is gonna rule just went in the shiatter next to St. Anger.

but will the lyrics include "You're unforgiven theree..."? I almost hope so.

FeedTheCollapse: "You're unforgiven three..."?

ftfm, not for Metallica, though.



seriously, though, those saying Rick Rubin would mastermind the band's comeback and he lets them do a crappy song sequel? Come the fark on...

FeedTheCollapse: seriously, though, those saying Rick Rubin would mastermind the band's comeback and he lets them do a crappy song sequel? Come the fark on...

He should have produced Slayer instead of bailing on them to participate in this abortion.

fizzix_is_fun: I still haven't listened to any songs on Snakes and Arrows despite being a big Rush fan because I don't want to jilt the band by downloading it (I respect them a lot) but also don't want to support any of the corporate behemoths. Any suggestions?

You could download the album and then send a donation to RUSH. Send it with a nice card, tell them how you feel. You could probably figure out how much mechanical royalties they would have gotten, etc, if you had bought it. "Pay" them for what they would have got, and don't pay the RIAA would have got.

Seriously, they have sucked ever since "and Justice for all..." came out. Anything before that awesome, anything after, suck.

To anyone ripping on the fact that one of the songs is called "Unforgiven III":

If that's the best you can do to rip on Metallica, you don't belong in a Metallica-hating thread. Is that really your best material? Your strongest weapon?

I write songs, I have a set of 3 that are the same story line. They're a trilogy, and I introduce them as such. Big deal. Metallica's got a trilogy as well. So farkin' what? It's like, the LAMEST thing to make fun of. This is about as bad as the guys that freaked out when Metallica cut their hair short.

If you're going to drone on and on and on and on about how much Metallica sucks, at least have something worthwhile to back up your claim.

ekdikeo4: Megadeth's last album is surprisingly decent, better than most other post-Rust in Peace efforts. Except for A Tout le Monde. That song blows, and I can back that up if asked.

I wasn't really thrilled with The Slip (NIN), my buddy that uses synths and stuff like that loved it. Guess he notices the subtle stuff I don't or something...

I'm a big fan of Broken, Downward Spiral, Pretty Hate Machine...the older stuff. It was harder edged, I like Trent's music more when he's pissed. Now he's rich, has a tan and is in shape, so the music seems to have changed direction quite a bit.

leftymcrighty: I write songs, I have a set of 3 that are the same story line. They're a trilogy, and I introduce them as such. Big deal. Metallica's got a trilogy as well.

They could at least give them subtitles to go along with the II and III. It's understandable that say, it's not just "Terminator II", but "Terminator II: Judgment Day."

And what's being said to move the plot in Unforgiven II and III, more of the same bullshiat? I just don't know.

Let's find out

New blood joins this earth
And quickly he's subdued
Through constant pained disgrace
The young boy learns their rules

With time the child draws in
This whipping boy done wrong
Deprived of all his thoughts
The young man strugggles on and on he's doomed
A vow unto his own
That never from this day
His will they'll take away-eay
Chorus

What I've felt
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never be
Never see
Won't see what might have been
What I've felt
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never free
Never me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN

They dedicate their lives
To RUNING all of his
He tries to please THEM all
This bitter man he is
Throughout his life the same
He's battled constantly
This fight he cannot win
A tired man they see no longer cares
The old man then prepares
To die regretfully
That old man here is me

Chorus*2

Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
You labeled me
I'll label you
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
You labeled me
I'll label you
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN
Never Free
Never Me
So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN


#2

Lay beside me
Tell me what theyve done
Speak the words I wanna hear
To make my demons run
The door is locked now
But its open if youre true
If you can understand the me
Then I can understand the you

Lay beside me
Under wicked sky
The black of day
Dark of night
We share this paralyze
The door cracks open
But theres no sun shining through
Black heart scarring darker still
But theres no sun shining through
No, theres no sun shining through
No, theres no sun shining

What Ive felt
What Ive known
Turn the pages
Turn the stone
Behind the door
Should I open it for you?

Yeah
What Ive felt
What Ive known
Sick and tired
I stand alone
Could you be there
cause Im the one who waits for you
Or are you unforgiven too?

Come lay beside me
This wont hurt, I swear
She loves me not
She loves me still
But shell never love again
She lay beside me
But shell be there when Im gone
Black heart scarring darker still
Yes, shell be there when Im gone
Yes, shell be there when Im gone
Dead sure shell be there

What Ive felt
What Ive known
Turn the pages
Turn the stone
Behind the door
Should I open it for you?

Yeah
What Ive felt
What Ive known
Sick and tired
I stand alone
Could you be there
cause Im the one who waits for you
Or are you unforgiven too?

Lay beside me
Tell me what Ive done
The door is closed, so are your eyes
But now I see the sun
Now I see the sun
Yes, now I see it

What Ive felt
What Ive known
Turn the pages
Turn the stone
Behind the door
Should I open it for you?

Yeah
What Ive felt
What Ive known
So sick and tired
I stand alone
Could you be there
cause Im the one who waits
The one who waits for you

Oh
What Ive felt
What Ive known
Turn the pages
Turn the stone
Behind the door
Should I open it for you?
So I dub thee unforgiven

Oh, what Ive felt
Oh, what Ive known
I take this key
And I bury it in you
Because youre unforgiven too

Never free
Never me
cause youre unforgiven too
Oh


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I guess in the first "act" he's really sad and he's crying. In the second, he's really sad, he's crying, and he's laying down next to a girl who's said and crying too, and wondering "does she love me?"

What's gonna happen in the third "act"? Anyone wanna guess?

unforgiven II is a good song. why you people care what the title of a song is is beyond me.

/buncha tools who have nothin' better to do than biatch about a band they supposedly don't like on the innertoobz

Bhasayate: leftymcrighty: I write songs, I have a set of 3 that are the same story line. They're a trilogy, and I introduce them as such. Big deal. Metallica's got a trilogy as well.

They could at least give them subtitles to go along with the II and III. It's understandable that say, it's not just "Terminator II", but "Terminator II: Judgment Day."

And what's being said to move the plot in Unforgiven II and III, more of the same bullshiat? I just don't know.

Let's find out

...
I guess in the first "act" he's really sad and he's crying. In the second, he's really sad, he's crying, and he's laying down next to a girl who's said and crying too, and wondering "does she love me?"

What's gonna happen in the third "act"? Anyone wanna guess?

Something involving the buttsecks.

WaltzingMathilda: unforgiven II is a good song. why you people care what the title of a song is is beyond me.

/buncha tools who have nothin' better to do than biatch about a band they supposedly don't like on the innertoobz

Yeah, what are we thinking, going on message boards expressing opinions and all that faggy shiat?

Andric: Bhasayate: leftymcrighty: I write songs, I have a set of 3 that are the same story line. They're a trilogy, and I introduce them as such. Big deal. Metallica's got a trilogy as well.

They could at least give them subtitles to go along with the II and III. It's understandable that say, it's not just "Terminator II", but "Terminator II: Judgment Day."

And what's being said to move the plot in Unforgiven II and III, more of the same bullshiat? I just don't know.

Let's find out

...
I guess in the first "act" he's really sad and he's crying. In the second, he's really sad, he's crying, and he's laying down next to a girl who's said and crying too, and wondering "does she love me?"

What's gonna happen in the third "act"? Anyone wanna guess?

Something involving the buttsecks.

Yeah. And that would explain why was sad and crying in Episodes I and II. Just like Anankin, the hero of this story is sad, has mommy issues. He thinks "If I can only have some buttsecks, it will make the pain go away."

In episode I, he's looking for buttsecks. In episode II, he finds a girlfriend. He's all "Buttsecks!?" and she's all "OMG BUTTSECKS!!! NOTHX."

In the third episode, he'll get his buttsecks, but he'll still be unhappy. Or he'll be denied his buttsecks, and then kill himself, or get thrown into hot lava and come back more machine than man.

Andric: WaltzingMathilda: unforgiven II is a good song. why you people care what the title of a song is is beyond me.

/buncha tools who have nothin' better to do than biatch about a band they supposedly don't like on the innertoobz

Yeah, what are we thinking, going on message boards expressing opinions and all that faggy shiat?

Blah, blah, blah. Please explain how the name of a song has any effect on its quality. Classical musicians just farking numbered most of their songs, so does Beethoven suck?

WaltzingMathilda:

Blah, blah, blah. Please explain how the name of a song has any effect on its quality. Classical musicians just farking numbered most of their songs, so does Beethoven suck?

I wasn't talking about the title, genius. The problem with Unforgiven II isn't the title, it's that they basically recycled a bit of melody and lyric, played it on a telecaster, and said hey-pow! New hit! If you like the song, fine. I don't.

And I don't expect the third one will be very good, either.

WaltzingMathilda: Please explain how the name of a song has any effect on its quality. Classical musicians just farking numbered most of their songs, so does Beethoven suck?

Hmm. I hear you, in a sense, "A rose by any other name is just as sweet." And NIN, their album Ghosts, at least the "free" one, all the songs are named Ghost, and I didn't complain about that.

But against that, some song names are as stupid as the song, consider "Achy Breaky Heart" or "My Lumps." HORRID.

I guess the idea is this: some good songs have dumb names. Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't have stupid names?

And, some dumb songs have dumb names, and it'd be better if the name AND the song didn't exist.

I like Unforgiven the First. Great song. The second? Meh at best. I can only imagine how good the third will be.

I'm thinking it'd be best if they just didn't put that song on the album...

most trilogies go down hill after Episode II. Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the bunch. In the first trilogy, though, EP I was the suck. I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that Unforgiven III will suck x3. It'll be the Jar Jar of the set.

Andric: WaltzingMathilda:

Blah, blah, blah. Please explain how the name of a song has any effect on its quality. Classical musicians just farking numbered most of their songs, so does Beethoven suck?

I wasn't talking about the title, genius. The problem with Unforgiven II isn't the title, it's that they basically recycled a bit of melody and lyric, played it on a telecaster, and said hey-pow! New hit! If you like the song, fine. I don't.

And I don't expect the third one will be very good, either.

Well, you basically said "Unforgiven III = album bad as St. Anger" ... forgive me for mistaking you for someone with a legitimate opinion ... most people in Metallica threads hate for the sake of hate and for no other reason. St. Anger, in my opinion, sucks bad ... but a flop album is no reason actually *hate* anyone ... Napster ... meh, sour grapes from people who don't like paying for stuff.

On Unforgiven II ... for years I was like "fark that, that's gay." Then for some reason one day I listened to it ... thought it was kick ass, and in some ways better than the original (mostly because there's more throat and less soft singing).

Meh. Metallica hate is boring.

WaltzingMathilda: unforgiven II is a good song. why you people care what the title of a song is is beyond me.

Even stipulating that Unforgiven II is good, what is left to be said for a part III?

Ace Frehley's Ghost: WaltzingMathilda: unforgiven II is a good song. why you people care what the title of a song is is beyond me.

Even stipulating that Unforgiven II is good, what is left to be said for a part III?

Exactly. It can only get worse.

I like how everyone can shiat on an album that no one's heard yet.


RockofAges: Metal is about getting as many hairy men, and non-hairy men like myself, as pumped up as possible so that they'll throw up the horns and air-guitar along with you, hopefully selling albums and building up a HARD AS FARK rep while doing it.

Telling other people what metal is, is so not metal

WaltzingMathilda:
Well, you basically said "Unforgiven III = album bad as St. Anger" ... forgive me for mistaking you for someone with a legitimate opinion ... most people in Metallica threads hate for the sake of hate and for no other reason. St. Anger, in my opinion, sucks bad ... but a flop album is no reason actually *hate* anyone ... Napster ... meh, sour grapes from people who don't like paying for stuff.

On Unforgiven II ... for years I was like "fark that, that's gay." Then for some reason one day I listened to it ... thought it was kick ass, and in some ways better than the original (mostly because there's more throat and less soft singing).

Meh. Metallica hate is boring.

My original comment was vague, I'll give you that. But I don't hate Metallica, I love 'em. I don't hate Load and Reload, either -- but I do hate Unforgiven II. St. Anger is right out.