I believe it took something more like 5 years to take Richmond.

If you aren't free to offend the NAACP, then you aren't really 'free'.

I think i'll sit back and watch people try to justify censorship in the name of freedom. that's always a hoot.

Flaming arrow, IMO. Fix that problem right up.

Not another Tampa story.

Why don't this trash move to North Florida. That's more like the South than Tampa or St. Pete.

That is the battle flag. If anyone had flown the Stars and Bars, probably not one person in a thousand would have recognized it, or cared.


Where can I sign up for the gravy train that is now carrying all the "chronically outraged" people in this once-great nation?

oldebayer: That is the battle flag. If anyone had flown the Stars and Bars, probably not one person in a thousand would have recognized it, or cared.

Strange, I thought it the flag of a treasonous enemy of the United States. Might as well fly it next to the Swastika.

/go away Godwin, no one asked your opinion

Here come flaggots...



/vexillophiles are disgusting perverts

he felt a jolt of solidarity with the lost cause and lost rights that he says the battle flag represents

Yes... the lost cause of trying to keep dem uppity Negro folk from thinkin' they deserve rights. What a proud and noble history of the Confederacy.

*/southern accent*

I have no problem with people wanting to fly the Confederate flag. Hell, free country and all that. But let's not pretend that the Confederacy was something special or noble. And let's not pretend that many people do rightly associate the Confederacy with an attempt to keep slavery alive.

If people want to out themselves as racists, I say as long as they aren't doing anything violent or inciting violence then you have no right to stop them. If you don't want to be around those people, move.

Mugato: Strange, I thought it the flag of a treasonous enemy of the United States.

Show me which Confederate leaders and Generals were tried for treason.

Then, show me what Confederate leaders and Generals were honored following the Civil War.

There is nothing about the acts of the Union to suggest they considered the Confederates to be traitors.

SchlingFo: Show me which Confederate leaders and Generals were tried for treason

I don't know how else to describe going to war with your own country. Unless you consider the Confederacy to be a separate country, in which case it was an enemy one. In either case, it's not a heritage to be proud of.

Mugato: SchlingFo: Show me which Confederate leaders and Generals were tried for treason

I don't know how else to describe going to war with your own country. Unless you consider the Confederacy to be a separate country, in which case it was an enemy one. In either case, it's not a heritage to be proud of.

Criticize the Bush-Cheney regime? Speak out against the war?
TREASON!



Take up arms against the Federal government and instigate a bloody & brutal secessionist civil war?
PATRIOTIC HEROES!

Mugato: it's not a heritage to be proud of.

needs repeating.

I'm not offended that it's up. But I think some people need to realize that you farking lost. Over a hundred years ago. GET OVER IT!

Where is General Sherman when we need him. A confederate flag is a symbol of losers and racism. The sooner someone torches that rag, the better.

Mugato: it's not a heritage to be proud of.

SilentStrider

needs repeating.

Agreed

SilentStrider: Mugato: it's not a heritage to be proud of.

needs repeating.

bullshiat.

this country needs MORE people willing to stand up against an oppressive federal government

Weaver95: If you aren't free to offend the NAACP, then you aren't really 'free'.

I think i'll sit back and watch people try to justify censorship in the name of freedom. that's always a hoot.

Are you free to support treason against the government? Because I think that revolting against the government because it won't let you support tyranny against individuals and the eradication of their rights as humans under the facade of "State's Rights", and then attacking them when they refuse to give up the land they own, is Treason.

And the "They weren't tried for treason so its not really traitorous" bit is crap. Most Reps, Governors, and Senators were actually really hard on Grant and Lincoln for going so easy on them, and most people thought they should all be executed for treason, but Lincoln just wanted the Union to heal. Executing them for treason would only cause more divisions.

The_Original_Roxtar: bullshiat.

this country needs MORE people willing to stand up against an oppressive federal government

Um. If we're talking about freedom, liberty, and standing up against oppression, I don't think the South is exactly a good group to idolize. Not then, not a hundred years later, not now.

Rethorn: And the "They weren't tried for treason so its not really traitorous" bit is crap. Most Reps, Governors, and Senators were actually really hard on Grant and Lincoln for going so easy on them, and most people thought they should all be executed for treason, but Lincoln just wanted the Union to heal. Executing them for treason would only cause more divisions.

It would also have highlighted several incredibly illegal and blatantly unconstitutional means Lincoln used to preserve the Union.

So at the end of the day, it all cancelled out.

than the 10 minutes it took Grant to take Richmond

What revisionist history teacher did subtard suck off

Weaver95: If you aren't free to offend the NAACP, then you aren't really 'free'.

I think i'll sit back and watch people try to justify censorship in the name of freedom. that's always a hoot.

Oh.. just shut up and pay the reparations...

Weaver95: It would also have highlighted several incredibly illegal and blatantly unconstitutional means Lincoln used to preserve the Union.

So at the end of the day, it all cancelled out.

Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.

"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

The Civil War, whether you think it was a rebellion or a foreign nation, certainly fell under those parameters. If you means something else specifically, then apologies, but this is one argument thats trotted out repeatedly without any research and it bugs me.

Mugato

I think Lincoln was absolutely right to oppose secession and I think the South was absolutely and completely wrong -- but tossing around the word "treason" is a bit extreme. Yes, you could make the argument strictly on technical terms, but I suggest you read Lincoln's second inaugural address.

"With malice toward none, with charity for all ..."

Rethorn 2008-08-03 08:28:17 PM
Weaver95: If you aren't free to offend the NAACP, then you aren't really 'free'.

I think i'll sit back and watch people try to justify censorship in the name of freedom. that's always a hoot.

Are you free to support treason against the government? Because I think that revolting against the government because it won't let you support tyranny against individuals and the eradication of their rights as humans under the facade of "State's Rights", and then attacking them when they refuse to give up the land they own, is Treason.

And the "They weren't tried for treason so its not really traitorous" bit is crap. Most Reps, Governors, and Senators were actually really hard on Grant and Lincoln for going so easy on them, and most people thought they should all be executed for treason, but Lincoln just wanted the Union to heal. Executing them for treason would only cause more divisions


You are free to your opinions. You're also free to not look at the Confederate flag if you're offended by it. What you're not free to do is force your views on others, or attempt to silence speech or expressions that you don't like.

If you insist on going down that road, just remember that it won't stop with just the issues of censorship that you agree with.

kilgorn: than the 10 minutes it took Grant to take Richmond

What revisionist history teacher did subtard suck off

all of em.

And equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag shows a breathtaking ignorance of history.

Rethorn: Weaver95: It would also have highlighted several incredibly illegal and blatantly unconstitutional means Lincoln used to preserve the Union.

So at the end of the day, it all cancelled out.

Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.

"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

The Civil War, whether you think it was a rebellion or a foreign nation, certainly fell under those parameters. If you means something else specifically, then apologies, but this is one argument thats trotted out repeatedly without any research and it bugs me.

yeah, except that people got tossed in jail BEFORE the start of the civil war. Ah well, it was going to happen anyways right? Winners write the history books anyways.

kilgorn: than the 10 minutes it took Grant to take Richmond

What revisionist history teacher did subtard suck off

If you want a five minute Civil War Battle, how about the battle of Trenton?

Yeah, treason is too much.

But then again, so's that flag. Get over it already, you redneck idiots. North won, South lost, seize the thing as spoils of war.

I laughed at the headline.

-10 internets for not using FLORIDA tag

Speaker2Animals: And equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag shows a breathtaking ignorance of history.

It is however very interesting to watch that mindset at work. If it's different, it must be EEEEEEEEVIL!

The_Original_Roxtar: this country needs MORE people willing to stand up against an oppressive federal government

Yes, it's true, look at that massively oppressive Emancipation Proclamation, or the oppression caused by the 13th-15th Amendments, gosh.

Tabatha Static: Here come flaggots...



/vexillophiles are disgusting perverts

I think it is a pretty fun shirt, but he should tuck it in and maybe not have his photo taken while he's smelling a fart

Wonder how fast the cross-burnings would start if a Japanese-American community put up a WWII "rising sun" flag over their well-maintained HOA-governed gated community?

/southerners can dish it out, but they shore kin't take it

Speaker2Animals: And equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag shows a breathtaking ignorance of history.

Yes, because militaristic political movements that succeed by brainwashing ignorant masses into marginalizing, exploiting, and victimizing convenient minorities rarely have any similarities to each other.

buzzvert: Wonder how fast the cross-burnings would start if a Japanese-American community put up a WWII "rising sun" flag over their well-maintained HOA-governed gated community?

/southerners can dish it out, but they shore kin't take it

Man I'm sure glad nobody north of the Mason-Dixon line is a racist, makes it a whole lot easier getting on my high horse before I hypocritically moralize about millions of people.

libbynomore2: You are free to your opinions. You're also free to not look at the Confederate flag if you're offended by it. What you're not free to do is force your views on others, or attempt to silence speech or expressions that you don't like.

If you insist on going down that road, just remember that it won't stop with just the issues of censorship that you agree with.

I'm not saying it should be illegal to have the flag, or fly it. I have one, my family is from Arkansas. I don't fly it because I live in Detroit now and I don't want to be shot, and because I don't like the meaning behind it.

It should not, however, ever be used in Federal Government as a means to represent the people. Ever. It was the flag of an unconstitutional rebellion, or unprovoked attack against the government by a sovereign nation, depending on which school you subscribe to.

You, personally, want to fly the flag? Please do so. I encourage it. You can fly a Swastika, or the Jolly Roger, or even the Union Jack for all I care. Use it in Civil War displays? Sure. But the Federal government should not be using it as a symbol of pride. Its just ludicrous that people think they should be allowed to do this. In their home time, the individuals can do whatever the hell they want.

This is mostly directed at all of the cities and states (I'm looking at you, SC) that insist on using it as a way to "acknowledge and represent our heritage" without actually knowing what their heritage is or what it really means.

The_Original_Roxtar: SilentStrider: Mugato: it's not a heritage to be proud of.

needs repeating.

bullshiat.

this country needs MORE people willing to stand up against an oppressive federal government

Okay, but remember your shirts and shoes this time.

Speaker2Animals: And equating the Confederate flag with the Nazi flag shows a breathtaking ignorance of history.

Yeah, just the other day, this exchange student wanted to put up a German flag in his room. I mean, doesn't he know that the Nazis are from Germany?

When are these people going to learn that it's not alright to not be ashamed to be a Southerner?

Tabatha Static: Here come flaggots...



/vexillophiles are disgusting perverts

I will admit I didna know what a vexillophile was. I looked it up, and clicked on the tag for 'flag'...

it led to this page. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flag

anyone recognize that flag?

/not obscure?

I think defending slavery and defending the slaughtering of ww2 to be similar enough.

The south wanted slavery and fought for it... that is what the confederate flag represents. The same hatred of others is shown with the Nazi flag.

I'm sure that these antics just belong to some good boys, and that they never meant any harm. And you might not believe your eyes, but they've been in trouble with law enforcement since the day of their birth. They work to straighten curves and flatten hills, and they will fall off that mountain and die before any police will ever catch them. They make their way the only way they know how, but that's more than law enforcement will grant them. They're just good boys and wouldn't change if they could, as they fight the system like a true modern day Robin Hoods.

I am proud to be southern.

My white step father raised me as his own, taught me to respect myself and others.

I grew up in New Orleans.

I have a white irish grandmother, an italian-french grandfather, a Panamanian Jew Grandfather, and a Black Colombian grandmother.

I am a lighter shade of brown.

I have lived in New York, Phildelphia, San Francisco, all over Louisiana, and Colombia.

Where did I see the most racism. New York and San Francisco

New York people kept asking me if I was Puerto Rican or Italian, like it mattered on who was going to hang out with me. Then would give me hell because I was southern.

San Francisco. When anyone heard me speak spanish, it was like I instantly became mexican, which is ironic, because Mexican spanish is very distinctive.

In New Orleans I lived next to a plethora of colors and we all got along. Even the white side of my family could give two shiats about the dark colored kid at the family outings. And my family is from Bayou Black, Houma. About as south louisiana as you can get.

The true south is about humility and gentility. But unfortunately there is not too much of that left anywhere in this country.

Florida - Is not the South.

The_Original_Roxtar: this country needs MORE people willing to stand up against an oppressive federal government

Standing up to an oppressive federal government is all well and good. But lets call a spade a spade. The confederates left because they didn't like the people in the north telling them slavery was bad.
You wanna stand up? GOOD.
Stand up to the TSA's hamhanded methods of checking your baggage.
Stand up to the way prisoners are treated at Gitmo.
But if you're going to stand up for the right to enslave others ? Well, you deserve to be biatchslapped down. Hard.

Buzzvert

As a Japanese-American, I feel impelled to point out that we'd rather remember these flags than the Imperial Japanese emblems.

PS: W.T. Sherman FTW

YodaTuna: I'm not offended that it's up. But I think some people need to realize that you farking lost. Over a hundred years ago. GET OVER IT!

I think enough people died where we're not out of line remembering the sacrifices of both sides, perhaps for several hundred more years.

I know you're a troll, but the thought behind your comments, while perhaps well suited to an internet posting board, should show a bit more respect for the real men who fought for two competing ideas and were willing to die over it.

How many people would die to save the union today? How many would die to protect their state from federal control?

Oh that's right, we confine our outrage and our political opinions (myself included) to a farking message board.

I love the fark threads where farkers try to defend the confederacy as a noble cause. STFU