CRAV?

They're a pseudo-terrorist group that chose to name themselves CRAV?

Jesus Christ. Spend the money on a branding specialist and come up with something that doesn't make you sound like a small crack in a boulder.

Also, stop making shiatty, overpriced, overdeveloped wine.

Probably just a case of sour grapes.

Examine, sniff, sip, swish, spit...

+1, subby.

French wine is overrated. I live within 20 minutes of at least 15 of the best wineries in Virginia and would choose any of their wines over a French wine.

I would think they would want more cheese with that wine.

I'm 5 minutes from the gas station and would choose MD 20/20 over any French wine.

Ironic, considering what advocates France is for the EU.

Hail, corkmaster, the master of the cork
He knows which wine goes with fish or pork



If French wine is really that good, it'll survive on its own.

Av8rLuvr: French wine is overrated. I live within 20 minutes of at least 15 of the best wineries in Virginia and would choose any of their wines over a French wine.

Virginia Wine Represent!

Pocket Ninja: CRAV?

They're a pseudo-terrorist group that chose to name themselves CRAV?

Jesus Christ. Spend the money on a branding specialist and come up with something that doesn't make you sound like a small crack in a boulder.

Also, stop making shiatty, overpriced, overdeveloped wine.

I agree completely. They should of named themselves something classy like the Cultured Libation Intimidation Team.

I can see the Frenchies' point: making wine cannot be left to the amateurs.

I for one welcome our anti capitalist violent socialist terrorist overlords.

Gobama!

Globalization = good. French wine? Not so much.

Wine has what French grape growers CRAV! Government protection

Shubai33: should of

SHOULD HAVE or SHOULD'VE, asshole. Damn I hate the dicks who always mess that up... oh, wait...

mikaloyd: I for one welcome our anti capitalist violent socialist terrorist overlords.

Gobama!

Probably a troll, but just in case, need I remind you that most of the harsh anti-NAFTA/GATT/UN/globalization in general rhetoric comes from the right?

Will the EU cave into these bullys?

Lusiphur: mikaloyd: I for one welcome our anti capitalist violent socialist terrorist overlords.

Gobama!

Probably a troll, but just in case, need I remind you that most of the harsh anti-NAFTA/GATT/UN/globalization in general rhetoric comes from the right?

It's a joke. Keep your shorts unbound, remain calm and I'll make one about McCain or Bush in a minute.

Christ you people are sensitive lil things.

Pocket Ninja: Jesus Christ. Spend the money on a branding specialist and come up with something that doesn't make you sound like a small crack in a boulder.

How about the Marseille Intoxicants Liberation Front?

Just before all you non-oenophile farkers start making comments about overrated, expensive French wines, Langedoc is famous for producing decent cheap plonk.

The expensive vineyards are doing fine; there's far more competition at the bottom end of the market. Almost everyone can make cheap wines for the unsophisticated, with varying degrees of success.

You might like to try a nice bottle of Corbière next time you shop. You'll support these good people, and maybe give them something better to do with their time.

If the French dont get a handle on these turrists Bush is gonna be saying "Mission Accomplished" from the Arc de Tiumphe

Tillmaster: Just before all you non-oenophilepenophile farkers start making comments about overrated, expensive French wines, Langedoc is famous for producing decent cheap plonk.

FTFY

The American Farmer points and laughs.

High Food prices? Your Tax dollars at work.

Komplex: The American Farmer Agribusiness Corporate Executive points and laughs.

High Food prices? Your Tax dollars at work.


FTFY

Aidez moi! Y a deux mecs qui me font travailler jour et nuit, ils me donnent rien à manger et ils me font dormir sur le plancher. Ils mettent de l'antigel dans le vin et ils ont donné ma casquette rouge à l'âne.

De l'antigel dans le vin?!? Mais c'est un crime très sérieux!

Just send in the German winemakers. The French will surrender, then beg Cali growers to come save them.

Repeats itself, history does...

Malbar: All those anti-globalization protestors are right-wingers? You're delusional.

So are the right-wingers.

/back to his Merlot

Make better wine, Pierre, or cut your costs and sell it less expensively, or begin farming something else, or become reliant on government subsidies to stay in business.

Obviously, being French, they've chosen the latter.

Because protectionism always works like a charm.

wanted for questioning.

With the cost of French wines, I'll settle for Two Buck Chuck............

Stavr0 Quote 2008-08-03 11:16:25 AM
Aidez moi! Y a deux mecs qui me font travailler jour et nuit, ils me donnent rien à manger et ils me font dormir sur le plancher. Ils mettent de l'antigel dans le vin et ils ont donné ma casquette rouge à l'âne.

De l'antigel dans le vin?!? Mais c'est un crime très sérieux!

Simpsons. T'as gagné.

mikaloyd: Lusiphur: mikaloyd: I for one welcome our anti capitalist violent socialist terrorist overlords.

Gobama!

Probably a troll, but just in case, need I remind you that most of the harsh anti-NAFTA/GATT/UN/globalization in general rhetoric comes from the right?

It's a joke. Keep your shorts unbound, remain calm and I'll make one about McCain or Bush in a minute.

Christ you people are sensitive lil things.

LOL'd

Malbar:
All those anti-globalization protestors are right-wingers? You're delusional.

All? Certainly not! Many, yes!

The right wing anti-globalist hate the idea of the US being subservient to bureaucrats from other countries. The left wing anti-globalists hate the idea of the US being subservient to multi-national corporations.

Anyone who tries to pigeonhole anti-globalists as being made up of only people from one political extreme are likely seeing the world through a pair of partisan lenses permanently fused into their eyes.

Duckbutt59 - With the cost of French wines, I'll settle for Two Buck Chuck............

I'm guessing you've never had the 1989 Leoville Las Cases that I drank Friday night. Because as much as I hate the French, and as much as their lazy, protectionist asses annoy me, I'd rather have 1 bottle of that than 10 tanker trucks full of 2 Buck Chuck.

mikaloyd:
Lusiphur: mikaloyd: I for one welcome our anti capitalist violent socialist terrorist overlords.
Gobama!
Probably a troll, but just in case, need I remind you that most of the harsh anti-NAFTA/GATT/UN/globalization in general rhetoric comes from the right?
It's a joke. Keep your shorts unbound, remain calm and I'll make one about McCain or Bush in a minute.
Christ you people are sensitive lil things.

Its the drugs. Screwed up any sense of humor that they once had.

NetOwl:
If French wine is really that good, it'll survive on its own.

The problem is that most French wine is not "really that good". France has a number of regions and a few vineyards particular that produce superior wines, but most regions and vineyards produce merely average wines. The don't need protection they need to start producing a better product.


mikaloyd: Will the EU cave into these bullys?

Yes. France always gives in every time the workers from one of its industries goes on strike and start to riot. Then it is only a matter of time before their EU partners and other countries give in to France's demands and calls for assistance. France has some of the most protected markets in all the world. French wine makers have already gotten a number of demands from not only the EU but the USA in that they have successfully prohibited non-French wine makers from using certain names to describe their non-French wine.

Wine style is often named after the grape that is used in its production or the region which decades or even centuries ago made that style of wine famous. However, due to its complaints France wine makers now have exclusive use of the wine names that other non-French vineyards have used for years. I suggest that this is similar to saying that beer maker is no longer allowed to call his Pilsener-sytle beer a Pislner as it is not brewed in Bohemia, or you cannot refer to your ale as a Belgium ale, if it isn't produced in Belgium. Stupid. But because they are the French and they riot they have been successful at protecting their markets with all sorts of un-even trade agreements and special considerations.

/Doesn't hate France or the French like many here.
/Hate that the US gives into their protection demands and receives nothing in return.

Fluid: Because protectionism always works like a charm.

It probably would for the wine guys. Anybody in the export business it would ruin of course and it is a wedge big enough that it could start the EU's downfall or force the French out.

Globalization, American wine=sucks.

Wine sucks period, but American wine is the worst ever.

They could always sweeten the deal and include a freshly dropped, never shot rifle with each bottle. Just sayin'...

Don't blame the French. We do the same damn thing.

/and we should
//to a certain extent

JeffreyScott:
mikaloyd: Will the EU cave into these bullys?

Yes. France always gives in every time the workers from one of its industries goes on strike and start to riot. Then it is only a matter of time before their EU partners and other countries give in to France's demands and calls for assistance.

All good points, but the protectionist types are losing ground slowly and they know it. Sarkozy is no friend of these types. In the long term they face more and more competition from the many other countries that can produce wine (MANY climates and regions worldwide support grape growing). I think this helps explain their growing belligerence. Their future is not bright.

My aunt is a bit of a blueblood. Someone cut her off in traffic, and she stuck her hand out the window, then raised three fingers at them. Then she realized that she actually didn't have the proper muscle memory to flip the bird, and she used her other hand to pry her fingers into the correct position.

I mention this only because it will provide a bit of depth for this next anecdote. One time she came over to my house and was absolutely thrilled to finally try some of this "Two Buck Charles" all the kids were talking about.

NetOwl: If French wine is really that good, it'll survive on its own.

Will be interesting to hear from you say... 3-4 years after the same thing happens to the US auto industry. I do NOT imply that "protectionism" is required to save it -- only that the industry has been run by a bunch of inbred morons who were puppets to big oil.

Obviously, this is not news but when the shiat REALLY hits the fan this next year or so it'll either be the mother of all bail-outs or something much worse.

Also, I suspect that like myself, you know *very* little about wine. However...

While I can't afford to drink as much French wine as I'd like (and don't blame the French for the pricing over here) I can say that when put on even economic footing, overall most French vintages are second to none. The just make so bloody MUCH of the stuff, it's impossible for us to judge unless you've spent time there or have a LOT of money invested in making such statements.

Which brings us back to globalization: Unless you are at the top of the economic food chain, there's no defending it. The "common man" is getting beat with the shiat-end of the stick. Those who stand up to halt it's inevitable progress have my respect.

Instead of CRAV I like "Frenchman Raging Over Grapes".

teh great bozack:

Unless you are at the top of the economic food chain, there's no defending it. The "common man" is getting beat with the shiat-end of the stick. Those who stand up to halt it's inevitable progress have my respect.

What makes a man a "common man"? Are you one? If not, what distinguishes you from them?

/curious . .

The way to beat globalization is to stop whining and profit from it... farking morans.

Who needs grapes anyway when we have Mountain Dew®?

And if the French don't like it, they can just go on strike. Again.

/Actually, I'm told the stereotypes of "the French" don't apply to "the French" so much as "Parisians".
//Don't actually know, myself.