Kinda hard for anyone to take us seriously when Bush farked up our reputation overseas. Bush turned us into Pee-Wee Herman!

The First: Kinda hard for anyone to take us seriously when Bush farked up our reputation overseas. Bush turned us into Pee-Wee Herman!

Please clarify:

The Pee-Wee's Big Adventure Pee-Wee Herman or the masturbating in the porn theater Pee-Wee Herman?

RIP Douglas Adams

Muta: Please clarify:

The Pee-Wee's Big Adventure Pee-Wee Herman or the masturbating in the porn theater Pee-Wee Herman?


I was thinking more like Big Top Pee-Wee...

He would make an awesome Internet Tough Guy.

"Why don't you come to Iran and say that. I have nukes."

Also, why is this in the Politics tab? Shouldn't it be in the Apocalypse tab, along with stories about Paris Hilton and the Large Hadron Collider?

Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

If we don't elect McCain, we are not only doomed as a country, but as a species.

Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

Or as Bush might say, new-clear

Frank N Stein: If we don't elect McCain, we are not only doomed as a country, but as a species.

Don't worry, we won't. Elect McCain, that is.

The First: Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

Or as Bush might say, new-clear

I though he said it "New-Cue-Ler"

BTW, the only reason I said that was to see how many people (rightfully) called me a fear-mongering troll, and compare it to see how many people said that (or something similar) to the exact same statement someone made yesterday about Obama.

What do you get if you multiply six by nine?

Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

All because they're jealous of strip clubs and air conditioning.

Larry Mahnken: The First: Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

Or as Bush might say, new-clear

I though he said it "New-Cue-Ler"


I don't see Bush speaking in three syllables. Don't think he has the mental know how for that...

ComradeBoris: The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

All because they're jealous of strip clubs and air conditioning.


You're basing this off what? Bush's "intel report"?? I mean, gimme a break here. Isn't this the same nonsense Bush fed the world when he wanted to attack Iraq? That Saddam has nukes and he intends to use them on us or our allies?

I'm shocked that we still take Bush on his word. Granted Iran is not the most trustworthy nation in the world, but we do HAVE real nukes in nations that are far worse (Pakistan for one).

Give Bush the option and he'd divert all military operation from Iraq and invade Iran.

ComradeBoris: The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

According to whom?

You know, the whole "race card" argument in the past few days reminds me a lot of the proof of the non-existence of God.

"But look at what he said! It proves he's racist, so therefore by his own argument, he's not. QED."
"Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that."

... and goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing. Or elected president, one or the other.

ComradeBoris: Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

All because they're jealous of strip clubs and air conditioning.

Yes...because they're jealous of us is the reason they want to enrich. Good use of logic there dumbass. Our own intelligence reports say that Iran isn't capable of weapons-grade enrichment and still you pansies are so afraid of your own shadow that you are willing to think that Iran actually poses some sort of threat. Even if they say they want Israel gone, do you think they would actually try it? They know that trying anything would mean the end of Iran, they aren't stupid. Iran wants nuclear energy because it would mean economic prosperity. The oil they use now for energy could be sold, and Iran would be the only middle eastern nation that answers to itself, not to the west. That is why they don't want Iran enriching. But go ahead and believe that the big scary bearded men can really pose a threat, and that those nukes are popping out right as we speak, you believed them when they said that the Saddam had WMD's and we're finding those left and right all over Iraq right?

Oh wait.........

Alphax: According to whom?

According to our duly elected Decider.

Sharing Artist's Boobies: You know, the whole "race card" argument in the past few days reminds me a lot of the proof of the non-existence of God.

"But look at what he said! It proves he's racist, so therefore by hisyour own argument, he's not. QED."
"Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that."

... and goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing. Or elected president, one or the other.

FTFM, makes more sense that way.

PerfectlyCromulent: What do you get if you multiply six by nine?

Nobody makes jokes in base thirteen.

To further add to Mainrodax's comment, if Iran succeeds in nuclear fuel then it can become the most powerful nation in the world. In a time where price for crude oil is so farking high a real solution to the energy crisis means absolute power.

Iran is NOT stupid. Iran is much smarter then the grade C moron we have in Washington now. Iran knows the real value of power is not in weapons but in energy. Had Bush followed up on his own farking words from his 2005 or 2006 SOTU address then we'd be going after nuclear power as well. But NO, Bush would rather play the boogeyman is coming then deal with the real crisis.

Grow a pair or go live in a bubble to all those pansies who think anyone a shade darker then white is out to kill us...

Yo, broseph. Iran doesn't like Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is a Sunni Arab group. Iran is a Shiite persian country. This is an easy thing to understand. Don't be a retard.

Joliet_Jake: Yo, broseph. Iran doesn't like Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is a Sunni Arab group. Iran is a Shiite persian country. This is an easy thing to understand. Don't be a retard McCain.

FTFY

who are we to think we can tell everyone else what alternative sources of power they can have? really. it they develop a weapon and use it then they'll pay the price and they know it just like everyone else who has one. this is oppression and tyranny.
seriously. we would never accept it if someone were to try to do it to us.
jeez people we wonder why we have a target on our backs? this is why

Here's an interesting stories:

There were once two countries who had dictators of questionable sanity. Both had been involved in a war with the US. Both had expressed consistently anti-western positions ever since. Both were named (along with a third country we'll get too later) as parts of an "Axis of Evil" by the leader of the United States. Both of these countries were nearby a close ally of the US, and both allies had urged the US to intervene in these countries' affairs. One of these countries had nuclear weapons, the other did not. One of these countries was invaded by the US, it's dictator was hung after a show trial, and a government sympathetic to the US installed. One of these countries was given some stern talk. The country with nuclear weapons was not the one invaded.

Now, do you wonder why a third country, with a history of hostility with the US, in close proximity with a major US ally who has urged the US to intervene in their affairs, and who was named as part of an "Axis of Evil" by a US leader, would want nuclear weapons?

/If it keeps us from invading like idiots, I hope Iran gets nukes

RemyDuron: Here's an interesting story:

FTFM

The First: Iran is NOT stupid. Iran is much smarter then the grade C moron we have in Washington now.

They have more credibility, too.

theory of war as a biiiiig prick-waving dick fight - Carlin

NSFW language (new window)

explication of the theory begins at the 3:30 mark

RemyDuron: Now, do you wonder why a third country, with a history of hostility with the US, in close proximity with a major US ally who has urged the US to intervene in their affairs, and who was named as part of an "Axis of Evil" by a US leader, would want nuclear weapons?

Actually, prior to Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, there wasn't really a history of anti-US sentiment. In fact, Iran was headed toward secularization. Since Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, Iran elected Ahmadinejad, who a Persian co-worker calls "Iran's George W Bush", and started up the anti-US, pro-nuclear rhetoric. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

The First: ComradeBoris: The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

All because they're jealous of strip clubs and air conditioning.


You're basing this off what? Bush's "intel report"?? I mean, gimme a break here. Isn't this the same nonsense Bush fed the world when he wanted to attack Iraq? That Saddam has nukes and he intends to use them on us or our allies?

I'm shocked that we still take Bush on his word. Granted Iran is not the most trustworthy nation in the world, but we do HAVE real nukes in nations that are far worse (Pakistan for one).

Give Bush the option and he'd divert all military operation from Iraq and invade Iran.

This. The only way I'd believe a word Bush said about Iran is if he personally held a Geiger counter up to Ahmadinejad's balls on live TV. And even then I'd want to see the thing calibrated first.

mcwebe0: RemyDuron: Now, do you wonder why a third country, with a history of hostility with the US, in close proximity with a major US ally who has urged the US to intervene in their affairs, and who was named as part of an "Axis of Evil" by a US leader, would want nuclear weapons?

Actually, prior to Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, there wasn't really a history of anti-US sentiment. In fact, Iran was headed toward secularization. Since Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, Iran elected Ahmadinejad, who a Persian co-worker calls "Iran's George W Bush", and started up the anti-US, pro-nuclear rhetoric. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

I don't really blame them. They see themselves and two others called out. One doesn't have nukes, gets invaded. The other does have them, is left alone. Hmmm...what would they possibly decide to do? Nukes = Bush shuts his stupid mouth and doesn't start any shiat. I don't think anyone would make a different decision.

AndyMan1: I don't think anyone would make a different decision.

I completely agree. I was attempting to augment RemyDuron's story, not contradict it.

mcwebe0: AndyMan1: I don't think anyone would make a different decision.

I completely agree. I was attempting to augment RemyDuron's story, not contradict it.

I was actually agreeing with you as well.

mcwebe0: Actually, prior to Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, there wasn't really a history of anti-US sentiment.

HA! That's a good one. Perhaps you remember some big event in 1979 when the Ayatollah returned. Something about some hostages or something.

RemyDuron: Now, do you wonder why a third country, with a history of hostility with the US, in close proximity with a major US ally who has urged the US to intervene in their affairs, and who was named as part of an "Axis of Evil" by a US leader, would want nuclear weapons?

No one wonders WHY they want nuclear capability -- I think what people diverge on is whether or not it is desirable that a country that is led by a religious leader should have nuclear weapons, that's all... and don't get it twisted, the Ayatollah is the leader because he is the most senior religious authority in the country.

Joliet_Jake: Yo, broseph. Iran doesn't like Al-Qaeda.

But Iran does like Hezbollah and Hamas and many of the Shiite militias in Iraq. But, then again, I guess they are only killing Jews and "teh brown people" so who cares.

ComradeBoris: Alphax: Meh. Iran wants nuclear power plants, they can have them.

The problem is that they don't want nuke plants, they want nuke bombs. Bombs to shoot at Israel, bombs to give to Al Qaeda so they can attack the US without us retaliating.

All because they're jealous of strip clubs and air conditioning.

maybe we should build a few air conditioned strip clubs in Tehran as a good will gesture. maybe we could provide employement to these deserving souls:

KaponoFor3: HA! That's a good one. Perhaps you remember some big event in 1979 when the Ayatollah returned. Something about some hostages or something.

Perhaps you remember the following 22 years in which they did absolutely nothing to us. Maybe a better way to say it is that there wasn't an historic pattern of anti-US sentiment.

I think what people diverge on is whether or not it is desirable that a country that is led by a religious leader should have nuclear weapons, that's all.

Actually, I think that the real place where people diverge is on whether or not it is our place to decide whether it is desirable that a country that is led by a religious leader should have nuclear weapons.

mcwebe0: Actually, I think that the real place where people diverge is on whether or not it is our place to decide whether it is desirable that a country that is led by a religious leader should have nuclear weapons.

Fair enough, that's a valid distinction. I think we, along with the other nuclear nations, should have the ability to do so.

mcwebe0: Perhaps you remember the following 22 years in which they did absolutely nothing to us. Maybe a better way to say it is that there wasn't an historic pattern of anti-US sentiment.

Well, they never have really liked us since 1979 (in government circles, at least) -- hence why we haven't had a diplomatic presence in the country since then. Plus there's that whole "Death to Israel! Death to America!" stuff that they chant during their legislature sessions.

Sharing Artist's Boobies

It would make even more sense if you posted that in the right topic.

KaponoFor3: Fair enough, that's a valid distinction. I think we, along with the other nuclear nations, should have the ability to do so.

Seems a good reason to become a nuclear nation, then.

AndyMan1: Seems a good reason to become a nuclear nation, then.

As I said before, I understand WHY they want it, I just dont think its a good idea that they actually reach nuclear capability given their connections to international terrorism.

PerfectlyCromulent: What do you get if you multiply six by nine?

2 x orgasm?

KaponoFor3: Fair enough, that's a valid distinction. I think we, along with the other nuclear nations, should have the ability to do so.

Why should we have the ability to do so? If they develop the scientific knowledge to build nuclear weapons and they have the resources within their borders to build one, on what basis do we interfere? We certainly have the right to restrict their access to our knowledge and our resources, but not to their own.

America's biggest problem with the people of Iran is that they stubbornly insist on living on top of our oil.

If they'd just move away, we'll leave them alone.

// Seriously, we overthrew their elected government and put a brutal dictator in power to suit our commercial interests. We supported their neighbor's attempted invasion, including the use of chemical and biological weapons. We shot down an unarmed Iranian civilian jetliner.

They have a lot more reason to dislike us than we have to dislike them.

Trap-Door Spider: The joking around here belies the fact that Israel isn't going to just sit there and wait for a second Holocaust.

Israel isn't 'exactly' a hooded kidnap victim with a knife to its throat on a video camera.

You know what? Gimme a break. People of FARK make Israel look like a helpless victim. Israel isn't exactly an angel of a nation themselves. If Israel has an issue with a neighbor creating nukes let THEM lead the charges, why make America seem like the world's police all the time?

It's appalling that America constantly has to come to Israel's defense. We give the benefit of doubt to Israel no matter what. If that's not a biased political stance then what is?

There are stories about close calls during the Cold War when it came down to the decision of a few people about whether the other side had launched an attack. Both Russian and US defense systems falsely believed an attack may have been launched. We probably don't know the worst of it, and won't for years because of 'National Security'.

The more nations that have nuclear weapons technology the more inevitable that either a mis-read of a radar, satellite or seismometer signals, or just a real desire to launch a first strike, will finally occur.

We've kind of given any nation that wants to use it a good excuse to attack other nations because they 'might pose a threat' with our preemptive attack philosophy concerning Iraq. If Iran launches a nuclear weapon against another nation (for pretend, lets say Israel) and Russia or China warns the US that if we use nukes so will they, what do we do? At one time around 1/2 of the world thought well of us. Not now. Our enemies are still enemies, and our friends are unsure.

And quite frankly, given the (by now obvious to other nations) lies we used to start this war, and the stories coming out about how people in this administration want to start a new war with Iran (doesn't matter if the stories are true, they will be believed by a larger number of people and nations than they would have been 15 years ago) maybe some other nation NEEDS to counterbalance what Bush-Cheney are doing.