Let's see....

His most notable trait was strength of character, critical for a Commander-in-Chief. Straight talk and all that, stated he would run an honorable campaign.

Now, he states that 'campaigns are tough' which is an excuse for his behavior, I suppose.

Neat.

Losers only make the rules in politics.

My my, what an interesting filter

hill 08

Hope or spite, America?

Hope... Or spite?

No honor? Will McCain commit Seppuku or Hegh'bat?

It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

It's turned sad really. Kinda like Hillary at the end, where she couldn't figure out how that young whipper snapper got the nomination she deserved.

Politics does strange things to people and I think this has brought out mccains true character.

Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

So you refute what he says or are you just doing a drive-by ad hominem attack?

Obvious tag is obvious.

It's curious to watch McCain and the GOP turn around when they realize they're hopelessly behind and basically start running the exact same campaign the Hillary started running in February. Time for round two of the "kitchen sink strategy".

Now if only the voters also had this premonition

Running Wild: Boobies!

When dealing with McCain, it's PANCAKES!!

Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag

Yep, it's so librul that it made Ann Coulter look like a clown on the cover when they did their puff piece about her a coupla years ago.

/Puh-lease...

Unfortunately negative campaigning works, I lived in SC in 2000 and rather like McCain. Bush ate his soul. After McCain wins this one we'll see Obama go ugly. It happens to all of them. They start off honest, then they learn how to play the game. I'm only 23 years old and already bitter with the system. I haven't scene anything positive happen in politics. It all started off bad when I started following the news during the Lewinsky affair. I'm almost afraid to vote this time because I just don't think I can handle more disappointment. The people in my generation have no positive memories from politicians, that's why we ran to Obama, at least he pretends to be nice.

Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

Doesn't make him any less accurate. I used to respect McCain as well, and was prepared to cast my vote for him back in '00. Who is this 'maverick' that stands before me?

Running Wild: My my, what an interesting filter

yeah, it's called the dumbass filter

Lando Lincoln: Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

So you refute what he says or are you just doing a drive-by ad hominem attack?

My guess, by attacking one of the most credible, reliable, and respected periodicals as a "Liberal Rag^TM, I'm gonna go ahead and guess ad hominem it is. That's all they got this time around.

bulldg4life: Running Wild: My my, what an interesting filter

yeah, it's called the dumbass filter

Especially for people that have been on Fark for 2 years.

Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

I disagree. I've read Klein's columns in Time for a while now and really have had a hard time pinning him down as either a Democrat or a Republican, Conservative or Liberal. Frankly he seems to spend equal amounts of time praising and damning each side.

What McCain is doing is red meat for the hard conservatives, the base of his party which he unfortunately hasn't been able to rally together. Let him do what he wants, he's just sinking his own campaign. While most candidates move to the center once they're nominated, he's swinging more to the right.

This isn't meant to win over any democrats, and independents generally don't like this kind of stuff either. The McCain campaign just has no strategy this election. McCain tried to get some notable religious conservatives to support him, and when they do, he denounces them for being too radical.

What really puzzles me is that during these difficult economic times the McCain campaign is running negative ads, whereas Obama's campaign is focused on bringing a positive message.

It's sort of like trying to cheer up your friend by calling someone else an asshole.

Reverend Otis:

Doesn't make him any less accurate. I used to respect McCain as well, and was prepared to cast my vote for him back in '00. Who is this 'maverick' that stands before me?

I would have voted for him in 2004 (I mean shiat, dude, John Kerry?). Coming into this election he was the only one on the Republican ticket I was hoping for and, I thought, if the Democratic party didn't offer up something I could follow I thought I'd at least have McCain to fall back on because he had always been such a likeable guy who wasn't afraid to go against his party, which, I think, takes some political balls.

I liked the guy. He was respectable, IMO.

Now I can't listen to him speak and he keeps getting worse and worse. His ads are terrible. He doesn't address himself or his own issues. He comes out smug and yet bitter at the same time.

I don't like the guy anymore. He's doing nothing to win over the people who are still undecided because all he's offering is bitterness and contempt.

Wight Power: I don't like the guy anymore. He's doing nothing to win over the people who are still undecided because all he's offering is bitterness and contempt.

I think part of it might be that McCain is suffering from Hillary Syndrome. The belief that it is your turn and that those who would dare oppose you are committing a deeply personal insult.

Or that his campaign and thrown all their resources into the belief that they would be going against Hillary, and now they have to start over from scratch.

There's a key line in TFA that stood out to me..."The McCain I used to know...

There is something not right about McCain. I don't think it's any one thing, but a combination:

1. Age. He's just not as sharp as he used to be, and for many older people who realize it's happening, it frustrates the hell out of them.

2. The odds. This guy's been trying for the nomination for years...and he finally gets it in the single worst year to be a Republican in decades.

3. The opponent. I think he has a personal dislike for Obama. It's hard to maintain a poised stance against someone who's beating you that you personally dislike.

4. Subservience to the Republican Party. Due to money issues he's forced to rely heavily on the RNC coffers, which you know means they are dictating some terms to his campaign. I think they are forcing him to adopt Rove's disciples, and forcing him into this bullshiat you've seen over the past two weeks. And I think he hates it. It's not him, and all it does is add to the frustration and anger of the first three points.

I've said this time and again: The McCain of 2000 would look on this 2008 version with disdain, and wonder where he went wrong.

McCain is losing his base...the media

Aarontology: I think part of it might be that McCain is suffering from Hillary Syndrome. The belief that it is your turn and that those who would dare oppose you are committing a deeply personal insult.

Or that his campaign and thrown all their resources into the belief that they would be going against Hillary, and now they have to start over from scratch.

I think it's a little from column A, a little from column B.

I never thought Sen. McCain would run a completely honorable campaign. I haven't seen one yet, and I don't believe I'll ever see one, because Politics = War. But I thought he'd run a campaign that was light-years better than this.

This election is looking like a bad repeat of 2004. Since getting their respective party nods, both candidates have looked worse and worse.

If these two are the best that a country of 300 million can come up with, then by 2012 we're going to look back fondly at the golden era of 2008 when unemployment was under 10% and gas was under $7.



/And I for one would like to welcome our new Chinese overlords...

Wight Power: I would have voted for him in 2004 (I mean shiat, dude, John Kerry?). Coming into this election he was the only one on the Republican ticket I was hoping for and, I thought, if the Democratic party didn't offer up something I could follow I thought I'd at least have McCain to fall back on because he had always been such a likeable guy who wasn't afraid to go against his party, which, I think, takes some political balls.

I liked the guy. He was respectable, IMO.

Now I can't listen to him speak and he keeps getting worse and worse. His ads are terrible. He doesn't address himself or his own issues. He comes out smug and yet bitter at the same time.

I don't like the guy anymore. He's doing nothing to win over the people who are still undecided because all he's offering is bitterness and contempt.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm a Republican, yet I have to admit I'd probably have voted for Obama no matter what this year. I volunteered for his Senate run after several friends introduced me to him, and I've met him on a couple of occasions. I have a personal like for the guy and I agree with him on far more than I disagree.

That said, as recently as early this year I was hoping for McCain to win the nomination even though I knew he'd give Obama the toughest run with his moderate positions, the thought being if Obama lost I'd still be content. But now? Jesus, I'm straight up starting to hate the guy. It's cliche to say it, but I've honestly lost all respect for the man.

Desterion: It's Time magazine for christ sake. You're not going to find a more liberal rag trying to pass itself off as a non-partisan magazine. Especially not from a Jackass like Joe Klein who is as liberal as they come.

Actually, Joe Klein is always attacked from the left as too conservative.

Hope... Or spite?

Hmm. Tough choice. I'll go with the candidate who will not be a pansy on the international front, will keep an overly liberal Congress in check, keep taxes relatively sane, and balance development of new energy technologies for the long-term-future with more domestic oil exploration for the near-future. That sounds like the kind of hope I like.

Rather than the spite of those who claim any criticism of Obama is borne of racism.

Shadowknight: I think it's a little from column A, a little from column B.

The sad part is they had quite a while to form their opposition to Obama rather than Hillary. You have to wonder if they actually believed that "Operation Chaos Use Our Most Sacred Right As A Game" would succeed, or that they figure the Cheesecake Brigade was serious when they said they would vote for McCain over Obama.

The only thing he has going for him is the hero thing, but with all the biatching he's been doing lately, he's looking less heroic each day.

Shrugging Atlas: There's a key line in TFA that stood out to me..."The McCain I used to know...

There is something not right about McCain. I don't think it's any one thing, but a combination:

1. Age. He's just not as sharp as he used to be, and for many older people who realize it's happening, it frustrates the hell out of them.

2. The odds. This guy's been trying for the nomination for years...and he finally gets it in the single worst year to be a Republican in decades.

3. The opponent. I think he has a personal dislike for Obama. It's hard to maintain a poised stance against someone who's beating you that you personally dislike.

4. Subservience to the Republican Party. Due to money issues he's forced to rely heavily on the RNC coffers, which you know means they are dictating some terms to his campaign. I think they are forcing him to adopt Rove's disciples, and forcing him into this bullshiat you've seen over the past two weeks. And I think he hates it. It's not him, and all it does is add to the frustration and anger of the first three points.

I've said this time and again: The McCain of 2000 would look on this 2008 version with disdain, and wonder where he went wrong.

I agree with you 100%. There is something going on in the background and McCain's stance is, "Fine, I'll deal with it because if I get elected I can revert to my old self an no one will be able to do anything about it. Farking Arthritis."

Joe Klein might want to get off that cross first. We wouldn't want TIME's version of Chris Matthews to lose that tingling fleeing.

In the same way the left is now finding out about the Clintons, I think everyone will now find out what McCain's base [the press] has been hiding for so long. McCain is a douchebag warmonger who is further to the right than Bush. Always has been. He has only ONLY embraced "maverick" positions when running for re-election, only to revert to the mean. I don't really think he gives a shiat about social conservatives, so he didn't originally pander to them. He is very single-minded about war. If you notice he doesn't really have a position on abortion, aids, birth control or anything like that. He just doesn't think about them.

And hell, he was never a reformer anyways. He only SAID he was, real loud, in order to distance himself from the stink of the Keating 5 scandal. But this is how it is in America. If you say anything enough times to a lazy, sycophantic corporate press, it becomes the truth. I swear, if I hear the word "maverick" one more damn time...

Why do people keep supporting the flip-flopping Panamanian that gave vital secrets to the enemy when he was captured?

Shrugging Atlas: That said, as recently as early this year I was hoping for McCain to win the nomination even though I knew he'd give Obama the toughest run with his moderate positions, the thought being if Obama lost I'd still be content. But now? Jesus, I'm straight up starting to hate the guy. It's cliche to say it, but I've honestly lost all respect for the man.

Yeah, McCain vs. Obama also seemed like a win/win to me at first. If the Republicans had bothered to run a primary in my state I might even have voted for him. Now I think I'd like Obama vs. Ron Paul instead.

/RON PAUL

I actually feel a little sorry for McCain. He's like the old-school bordello Madame who thought she'd take over the local rackets a few years back, but was forced to scale back her plans when the mob blew into town, flush with money, muscle, and a new crop of lookers ready to strut their stuff. For eight years she's been going along to get along, biting her tongue at the steady stream of petty humiliations and outright abuse that the new gang has been dishing out. Now she's got another shot at the top job, but this time, there's a crusading young DA on the scene, and he's got the support of a populace sick and tired of the constant crime and corruption. To add insult to injury, the mob doesn't want to tangle with the DA, so they're backing her bid to take over the rackets, knowing full well she's past her prime and bound to lose. They're just biding their time, looking to dig up dirt on the handsome young DA, ready to watch the old-school Madame go down in flames, a sacrificial goat tethered to draw out the lion so the hyenas lurking in the shadows can gauge his strength before the real battle to rule the mean streets gets underway.

Or something like that. Oh, and:

Running Wild: Boobies!

This.

Your Faith is Creepy: I actually feel a little sorry for McCain. He's like the old-school bordello Madame who thought she'd take over the local rackets a few years back, but was forced to scale back her plans when the mob blew into town, flush with money, muscle, and a new crop of lookers ready to strut their stuff. For eight years she's been going along to get along, biting her tongue at the steady stream of petty humiliations and outright abuse that the new gang has been dishing out. Now she's got another shot at the top job, but this time, there's a crusading young DA on the scene, and he's got the support of a populace sick and tired of the constant crime and corruption. To add insult to injury, the mob doesn't want to tangle with the DA, so they're backing her bid to take over the rackets, knowing full well she's past her prime and bound to lose. They're just biding their time, looking to dig up dirt on the handsome young DA, ready to watch the old-school Madame go down in flames, a sacrificial goat tethered to draw out the lion so the hyenas lurking in the shadows can gauge his strength before the real battle to rule the mean streets gets underway.

You've thought about this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

I think McCains new ads are FUNNY and DEAD ON CORRECT!!...Get a grip people! Or just vote for a Democrat or Libertarian and pay up with everything you have,unless you're on the poor and worthless end of the stick(welfare bums,dope heads and illegal aliens..etc.) that are going to benefit from all of the SOCIAL JUSTICE that will be avalanching down the pike!

Not to defend McOldie, but whatever he devulged in the Hanoi Hilton was probably as meaningful as what you are getting out of Gitmo... 2, 3, 4, 5 year old misinformation, disinformation or just plain out-of-date info. As if he had anything useful to give in the first place.

However, why y'all treat him like a hero above the 50K+ who came back as body parts in bags, or the hundred of thousands who came back missing parts, is beyond me. He conducted his killing from a distance and never saw who he was killing. He never saw his buddies turned into a pink mist. He got shot down, was taken prisoner and got to come home. That's it. Every time he is referred to as an American Hero makes me sick as it sets him apart from the millions of others who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and 2 Gulf Wars, Afganistan.

Like Obama Hussein is running an honorable campaign with his race baiting currency comments,and his stealth SOCIALISM that all you pinheaded morons worship in the name of CHANGE!

Any of you guys have those comercials for Direct TV where you live? They depict a cable company meeting in which they are discussing how they can't compete with Direct TV's excellent service, when one executive says that they can still change their prices, by raising them. Now sure, Direct TV was never willing to install local channels, although they claimed for years that they were available, picture went out every time it rained, or snowed, or for no reason at all, and they've been behind on every major technological advancement. Charter Cable on the other hand had local channels on instalation, a more navigational menu, more movie channels, perfect picture in any weather, and they've upgraded with HD and on demand as it became available. However, Direct TV is still a bit cheaper, so long as you don't factor in the obscenely fast internet and free nationwide calling package chater has, whereas Direct TV has almost nothing to warrant what it does cost.

Whenever I hear people talking about how McCain will keep Bush's tax breaks I see this comercial in my mind. Of course Obama is better in every way than McCain, he has realistic plans to help jumpstart the economy, he has a superior foreign policy, he actually has positions on something other than what his opponent has said lately, and he's charismatic and intelligent enough to repair America's disasterous image when we most need international support. You shouldn't vote for him though, becuase McCain's a little less expensive.

Tsunami: Not to defend McOldie, but whatever he devulged in the Hanoi Hilton was probably as meaningful as what you are getting out of Gitmo... 2, 3, 4, 5 year old misinformation, disinformation or just plain out-of-date info. As if he had anything useful to give in the first place.

That's why so many of us oppose torture apart from the moral issue. It's simply not a reliable way to get accurate information.

McCain made fun of Obama! It shows hes an awful person! We must all act like two grown men are kindergartners.

Hey Falcc...Charter sucks,and so does Obama.

lineman723: Hey Falcc...Charter sucks,and so does Obama.

Your clever and entirely subjective rebute has certainly swayed me. My mind is entirely changed by the facts you have quoted me and your honest, open, new perspective. GoCain!

Speaking of new perspective.. Oh, but what's this? Account created: 2008-07-27 13:03:56

I guess I shouldn't be expecting too much.

Tsunami: Not to defend McOldie, but whatever he devulged in the Hanoi Hilton was probably as meaningful as what you are getting out of Gitmo... 2, 3, 4, 5 year old misinformation, disinformation or just plain out-of-date info. As if he had anything useful to give in the first place.

However, why y'all treat him like a hero above the 50K+ who came back as body parts in bags, or the hundred of thousands who came back missing parts, is beyond me. He conducted his killing from a distance and never saw who he was killing. He never saw his buddies turned into a pink mist. He got shot down, was taken prisoner and got to come home. That's it. Every time he is referred to as an American Hero makes me sick as it sets him apart from the millions of others who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and 2 Gulf Wars, Afganistan.

For me, what set's him apart was that he had the opportunity to go home sooner than he did, due to his being an admiral's son. He reportedly said no, and either let someone go in his place or refused to go until the rest of his fellow cellmates were allowed to go home too.

Not that this act of bravery three or four decades ago qualifies him to be President now, especially after all of his recent idiocy, but it certainly gives him a little bit of "American Hero" cred.

Whats wrong Falcc? Dissapointed that you could'nt find my home address in MY PROFILE....well,me too.

You could have come over for a visit and I could have shown you my guns.