Hooray, moderates!

What, no hero tag?

But is he a Fark Independent_TM?

Unfortunelety our beloved moderates are being drowned out by the hystrionic shouting from both extremes.

Unfortunetely

Jubeebee: Hooray, moderates!

MisterBill: What, no hero tag?

These.

Im_Gumby: But is he a Fark IndependentTM?

As a Fark Independent, I lol'd.

/Been Independent forever
//I just happen to always vote Democratic

"Palin has authorized the hunting of wolves by helicopter," he told me. "They're gunning down wolves by helicopter, going over to the pups with a pistol and shooting the pups in the head. That is barbaric," he said

Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

smeegle: Unfortunelety our beloved moderates are being drowned out by the hystrionic shouting from both extremes.

Same as it ever was.

Shrugging Atlas: smeegle: Unfortunelety our beloved moderates are being drowned out by the hystrionic shouting from both extremes.

Same as it ever was.

True Dat!!!

The problem with a lot of these supposed moderates is that they start uncorking 9/11 troof, blaming the Federal Reserve for rainy days, etc.

There's like 6 candidates in the Alaska GOP primary, aren't there?

When's the trial?

A high-profile acquittal before the election can get Stevens his seat back on a sympathy vote.

A high-profile conviction, though, in the month before the election can cost the GOP the seats in Oregon, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, and Kentucky. (listed in order of likelihood to fall to the Democrats) They can also kiss chances of winning Colorado and Louisiana goodbye.

I suspect they will lose at least one of these already -- losing four or five of these would spell disaster for the GOP and give Barack Obama a mandate beyond all mandates.

Stevens will be leaned on in the next few months. Or, the trial will be held after the election, and McConnell will write off Alaska.

sigdiamond2000: "Palin has authorized the hunting of wolves by helicopter," he told me. "They're gunning down wolves by helicopter, going over to the pups with a pistol and shooting the pups in the head. That is barbaric," he said

Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

Bloodlust. But the 'reason', I believe, is 'overpopulation'. Which reminds me of a Far Side cartoon, which I can't find at the moment:
"Why don't they thin their *own* damn herd?"

Not advocating genocide or whatever, just if we're gonna be biatchy about overpopulation, we should, y'know, stop breeding like rabbits on Viagra.

You people seem to be mistaking real american conservatives for "moderates." Why do you call someone moderate when all they've said is they don't want to commit aggressive wars of conquest and he detests the President who would do that? The hell is moderate about being a true Patriot?

stpickrell
The problem with a lot of these supposed moderates is that they start uncorking 9/11 troof, blaming the Federal Reserve for rainy days, etc.

It's a given that there are some people with loony ideas running. But also, every politician has some loony ideas. These people just have different loony ideas.

Now the key is: these people also have different sane ideas.

So yes, voting for a moderate, or basically a candidate from "off the beaten path", will bring ideas to the table that are "off the beaten path". Some of those are good, some are bad. But if you're going to pigeonhole every new politician who you think has loony ideas, just because your used to the loony ideas of the current crop, well you're basically begging for nothing to change.

Phil Moskowitz: You people seem to be mistaking real american conservatives for "moderates." Why do you call someone moderate when all they've said is they don't want to commit aggressive wars of conquest and he detests the President who would do that? The hell is moderate about being a true Patriot?

You're right. They're turrists!

/You are right though.

the voices in your head: Jubeebee: Hooray, moderates!

MisterBill: What, no hero tag?

These.

Those

Im_Gumby: But is he a Fark IndependentTM?

Im_Gumby: But is he a Fark IndependentTM?

You guys really need to open a Photobucket or Imageshack account and start stealing other people's art.

That's what I did...



/thanks to whoever posted this originally...

Only hope? There are five other people in the GOP Primary (new window)

Phil Moskowitz: You people seem to be mistaking real american conservatives for "moderates." Why do you call someone moderate when all they've said is they don't want to commit aggressive wars of conquest and he detests the President who would do that? The hell is moderate about being a true Patriot?

Because the Republican party has been taking over by the neocons and fundie idiots, so real conservatives seem moderate.

Rethorn: Im_Gumby: But is he a Fark IndependentTM?

As a Fark Independent, I lol'd.

/Been Independent forever
//I just happen to always vote Democratic

Hang On Voltaire: Only hope? There are five other people in the GOP Primary (new window)

There were many rebels, but Obi Wan was the only hope.

/No idea where I'm going with this

stpickrell: The problem with a lot of these supposed moderates is that they start uncorking 9/11 troof, blaming the Federal Reserve for rainy days, etc.


QFT. I.E. Jesse Ventura

I Said: There were many rebels, but Obi Wan was the only hope.

No. There is another.

sigdiamond2000 Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

The wolf population is too large and it is a danger to caribou. Also a too large wolf population leads to too little food and lots more dead/dying/sick wolves.

The copter kills are simply the best way to thin the packs as a copter can cover far more ground in much less time (we're talking middle of nowhere, no roads)

The puppicides was a single incident. They mistakenly killed a mama, thus leaving the pups to either die from starvation or predators. A shot to the head is quick and humane (and cheap)

/alaska farker
//relaying the argument made, not endorsing nor decrying the method.

Hang On Voltaire: stpickrell: The problem with a lot of these supposed moderates is that they start uncorking 9/11 troof, blaming the Federal Reserve for rainy days, etc.


QFT. I.E. Jesse Ventura

Yeah,to clarify my post on moderate candidates, I'm not talking about guys like him or McKinney. They are 100% crazy.

Phil Moskowitz: You people seem to be mistaking real american conservatives for "moderates." Why do you call someone moderate when all they've said is they don't want to commit aggressive wars of conquest and he detests the President who would do that? The hell is moderate about being a true Patriot?

Have you been asleep for the last decade? By current conservative standards, not wanting to start wars of aggression and being willing to tell the President to get bent is so close to the center that you might as well start drinking lattes and going to gay pride parades.

Jubeebee: Have you been asleep for the last decade? By current conservative standards, not wanting to start wars of aggression and being willing to tell the President to get bent is so close to the center that you might as well start drinking lattes and going to gay pride parades.

Gay pride parades are a great place to meet women.

Centrists are right leaning Democrats at this point.

sigdiamond2000: Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

To protect grandmothers?

believing poorly planned and executed military adventurism is bad and thinking the worst president ever is the worst president ever makes one a moderate in America in 2008?

He's the only hope for the GOP if they want to hold on to Ted Stevens' seat. However, there's just one slight problem. This primary opponent loathes the Iraq war and thinks that George Bush is the worst president ever

That will never do. We can't have Republicans who actually understand how severely their party has farked up.

So is this guy polling well?

I suspect some of these other candidates are jokes.

Vickers becomes in play since he's buying up lots of ads.

There's some State Senator who's running on a 'clean government Republican' platform; I suspect like the Lt. Gov. challenging Young (the Congressman) he is an ally of Palin.

The GOP's fear is that the anti-Stevens vote gets split up and Stevens refuses to step down.

Again, any idea when the trial might be? If the US Attorney here is a Karl Rove Special, it will get pushed until late November/December. The last thing the GOP wants is a high-profile conviction.

You know, the Republicans could have turned this around utterly had they thrown Bushco under the tank and led the impeachments and eventual war crime tribunals themselves.

Im_Gumby: sigdiamond2000: Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

To protect grandmothers President Ford?

FTFY

I'd say that reaching across party lines and daring to refer to a Democrat as his "comrade in arms" wins him some moderate points.

MrGumboPants: Centrists are right leaning Democrats at this point.

US Democrats would be called right-wingers abroad.

smeegle: Unfortunetely

Unfortunately.

FTFY

smeegle: Unfortunelety our beloved moderates are being drowned out by the hystrionic shouting from both extremes.

Wow, really? The three nobodies who make up the extreme left sure must be shouting awfully loud to compete with the several hundred, if not thousands, of extreme right-wing politicians out there.

The GOP's best hopes for holding on to Ted Stevens' seat:

If this article is close to accurate and they did not leave out any significant details (like rabid fundamentalist christian) I would vote for this guy

Im_Gumby: sigdiamond2000: Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

To protect grandmothers?



Does not approve.

Ted Stevens may very well retain his seat himself.

heh, Begich has been polling 5-10 points ahead of Stevens even before the indictment came out

Conservatism seems to be a dying philosophy in politics. We need another Goldwater. Maybe even Zombie Goldwater.

sigdiamond2000: Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

Don't think it's bloodlust. That only lasts 30 seconds with a ten minute cooldown, and unless you've got more than one shammy in the copter, you aren't getting many wolves that way.

/sorry

Ted Stevens is insisting on a speedy trial, with jury selection to begin September 24.

This would provide testimony throughout late September and October, with a sitting Senator potentially convicted in mid or late October, right?

zarnik: sigdiamond2000 Can some Alaskan Farker explain to me why they're doing this? Just sheer bloodlust or have they come up with some fake reason that sounds legit?

The wolf population is too large and it is a danger to caribou. Also a too large wolf population leads to too little food and lots more dead/dying/sick wolves.

The copter kills are simply the best way to thin the packs as a copter can cover far more ground in much less time (we're talking middle of nowhere, no roads)

The puppicides was a single incident. They mistakenly killed a mama, thus leaving the pups to either die from starvation or predators. A shot to the head is quick and humane (and cheap)

/alaska farker
//relaying the argument made, not endorsing nor decrying the method.

It is wolf packs near certain villages in very defined areas with tight controls, not open-season on wolves all over the state.

The idea is that wolves are over-predating moose (haven't heard they are doing it to preserve caribou numbers) in some areas, which leaves fewer for the local residents to hunt for subsistence use.

For the most part this is in areas far away from urban areas and is designed to help village folks who can't get to a store to buy meat in any realistically cost-effective way. In many cases, Native peoples.

Alaska has no shortage of wolves and never will, killing wolves by any method, whether aerial hunting or trapping, is not very efficient. There is no danger of damaging the species.

Barry Goldwater would be considered an extreme lefty by today's GOP litmus test.