Andrea Mitchell is interviewing Davis on MSNBC right now. The way he's carring on you'd think Obama has been cockpunching McCain.

Obama's not playing the race card in those comments. He's saying that the McCain camp is painting him as different and risky. Untraditional, even. To turn around and try and say Obama's somehow playing the race card is, in and of itself, a racist attack.

Either McCain's not driving his campaign bus or he agrees with the scurrilous and underhanded campaigning. Not good for him either way.

When you can't run on your own policies, run on fear. That is, unless fear is your policy which it appears to be, for McCain.

That was a dumb attack by McCain's turd nugget.

Diogenes: Andrea Mitchell is interviewing Davis on MSNBC right now. The way he's carring on you'd think Obama has been cockpunching McCain.

Obama's not playing the race card in those comments. He's saying that the McCain camp is painting him as different and risky. Untraditional, even. To turn around and try and say Obama's somehow playing the race card is, in and of itself, a racist attack.

Either McCain's not driving his campaign bus or he agrees with the scurrilous and underhanded campaigning. Not good for him either way.

Wrong. Plain and simple, this was a mistake by Obama. He is implying, pretty strongly, that the McCain campaign is trying to make the public fear a Black man. And that is playing the race card.

gustakooka: Wrong. Plain and simple, this was a mistake by Obama. He is implying, pretty strongly, that the McCain campaign is trying to make the public fear a Black man. And that is playing the race card.

As I said earlier today:

"I just watched Pat Buchanan reiterate for the 15,000th time on MSNBC, that Barack Obama doesn't "look American," and that this fact distances him from "Middle America."

So unless Buchanan's speaking of the orc and Hobbit voting bloc, Obama is pretty much spot-on with this comment."

Obama wasn't just referring to Bush and McCain. He was referring to everyone that's ever passed along one of those "THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA" e-mails with zero sense of amused irony in the act.

gustakooka: Diogenes: Andrea Mitchell is interviewing Davis on MSNBC right now. The way he's carring on you'd think Obama has been cockpunching McCain.

Obama's not playing the race card in those comments. He's saying that the McCain camp is painting him as different and risky. Untraditional, even. To turn around and try and say Obama's somehow playing the race card is, in and of itself, a racist attack.

Either McCain's not driving his campaign bus or he agrees with the scurrilous and underhanded campaigning. Not good for him either way.

Wrong. Plain and simple, this was a mistake by Obama. He is implying, pretty strongly, that the McCain campaign is trying to make the public fear a Black man. And that is playing the race card.

No, you are wrong. McCain's camp introduced race. Barak never mentioned it. They're trying to insinuate "race" into "different" in order to drag Obama in the race issue. This goes far beyond the pale for the McCain campaign.

And it certainly will taken seriously by any of the undecided black voters. This is a huge FAIL for McCain, and it grows as they try to defend it.

Diogenes: gustakooka: Diogenes: Andrea Mitchell is interviewing Davis on MSNBC right now. The way he's carring on you'd think Obama has been cockpunching McCain.

Obama's not playing the race card in those comments. He's saying that the McCain camp is painting him as different and risky. Untraditional, even. To turn around and try and say Obama's somehow playing the race card is, in and of itself, a racist attack.

Either McCain's not driving his campaign bus or he agrees with the scurrilous and underhanded campaigning. Not good for him either way.

Wrong. Plain and simple, this was a mistake by Obama. He is implying, pretty strongly, that the McCain campaign is trying to make the public fear a Black man. And that is playing the race card.

No, you are wrong. McCain's camp introduced race. Barak never mentioned it. They're trying to insinuate "race" into "different" in order to drag Obama in the race issue. This goes far beyond the pale for the McCain campaign.

And it certainly will taken seriously by any of the undecided black voters. This is a huge FAIL for McCain, and it grows as they try to defend it.

"I look different than the guy on the dollar bill"....What does that mean again? I mean, how does he look different?

Race.

Insert your gustakooka: "I look different than the guy on the dollar bill"....What does that mean again? I mean, how does he look different?

Race.

Insert your interpretation of the comment all you want, but you'll still be wrong.

But let's step back a bit and look at the bigger situation. What if Obama did mean different racially? That is certainly part of McCain's insinuation. Different, exotic, unfamiliar, unknown - all ways of skirting around overt racial terminology. Obama's simply serving it back to them in the same style.

To say someone is playing the race card by defending from covert racist attacks is shameful and immoral.

Diogenes: Insert your gustakooka: "I look different than the guy on the dollar bill"....What does that mean again? I mean, how does he look different?

Race.

Insert your interpretation of the comment all you want, but you'll still be wrong.

But let's step back a bit and look at the bigger situation. What if Obama did mean different racially? That is certainly part of McCain's insinuation. Different, exotic, unfamiliar, unknown - all ways of skirting around overt racial terminology. Obama's simply serving it back to them in the same style.

To say someone is playing the race card by defending from covert racist attacks is shameful and immoral.

First you suggest that he wasn't bring up race, now you say he was but only to defend himself from "covert racist attacks"? Pick a side. There have been no racists attacks that I've seen.

gustakooka: Diogenes: Insert your gustakooka: "I look different than the guy on the dollar bill"....What does that mean again? I mean, how does he look different?

Race.

Insert your interpretation of the comment all you want, but you'll still be wrong.

But let's step back a bit and look at the bigger situation. What if Obama did mean different racially? That is certainly part of McCain's insinuation. Different, exotic, unfamiliar, unknown - all ways of skirting around overt racial terminology. Obama's simply serving it back to them in the same style.

To say someone is playing the race card by defending from covert racist attacks is shameful and immoral.

First you suggest that he wasn't bring up race, now you say he was but only to defend himself from "covert racist attacks"? Pick a side. There have been no racists attacks that I've seen.

It is not racist for a black man to call himself a black man. It is racists to keep saying OOGA BOOGA HE'S A NI (sound of bell).

gustakooka: First you suggest that he wasn't bring up race, now you say he was but only to defend himself from "covert racist attacks"? Pick a side. There have been no racists attacks that I've seen.

Well, it must be kinda hard to see from the vantage point of your own rectum.

What part of "what if?" don't you get? What I'm saying is that whichever way you choose to interpret it, McCain's got egg on his face once again.

GWLush: gustakooka: Diogenes: Insert your gustakooka: "I look different than the guy on the dollar bill"....What does that mean again? I mean, how does he look different?

Race.

Insert your interpretation of the comment all you want, but you'll still be wrong.

But let's step back a bit and look at the bigger situation. What if Obama did mean different racially? That is certainly part of McCain's insinuation. Different, exotic, unfamiliar, unknown - all ways of skirting around overt racial terminology. Obama's simply serving it back to them in the same style.

To say someone is playing the race card by defending from covert racist attacks is shameful and immoral.

First you suggest that he wasn't bring up race, now you say he was but only to defend himself from "covert racist attacks"? Pick a side. There have been no racists attacks that I've seen.

It is not racist for a black man to call himself a black man. It is racists to keep saying OOGA BOOGA HE'S A NI (sound of bell).

He was calling the McCain campaign racist, which brings racism into the discussion.

Atillathepun: gustakooka: First you suggest that he wasn't bring up race, now you say he was but only to defend himself from "covert racist attacks"? Pick a side. There have been no racists attacks that I've seen.

Well, it must be kinda hard to see from the vantage point of your own rectum.

Well thought out, articulate point. Thanks for playing.

Diogenes: What part of "what if?" don't you get? What I'm saying is that whichever way you choose to interpret it, McCain's got egg on his face once again.

I'm amazed that this can be defended.

I'd like someone, anyone, to actually define what playing the race card actually means.

Obdicut: I'd like someone, anyone, to actually define what playing the race card actually means.

It means that someone else did it before you could...

Obdicut: I'd like someone, anyone, to actually define what playing the race card actually means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_card

"Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase referring to an allegation raised against a person who has brought the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter. It is a metaphorical reference to card games in which a trump card may be used to gain an advantage."

gustakooka: He was calling the McCain campaign racist, which brings racism into the discussion.

So you're saying that defending yourself against a racist attack means you're playing the race card.

You're right. Obama should be a good "boy" and just take it.

Diogenes: gustakooka: He was calling the McCain campaign racist, which brings racism into the discussion.

So you're saying that defending yourself against a racist attack means you're playing the race card.

You're right. Obama should be a good "boy" and just take it.

What is this "racist attack" you speak of?

gustakooka: Diogenes: gustakooka: He was calling the McCain campaign racist, which brings racism into the discussion.

So you're saying that defending yourself against a racist attack means you're playing the race card.

You're right. Obama should be a good "boy" and just take it.

What is this "racist attack" you speak of?

Show me your "race card" and I'll show you the "racist attack."

gustakooka: Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase referring to an allegation raised against a person who has brought the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter. It is a metaphorical reference to card games in which a trump card may be used to gain an advantage

So if a black candidate ever says, "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black", is that playing the race card?

Obdicut: So if a black candidate ever says, "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black", is that playing the race card?

Only if the candidate is a Democrat. ;-)

Obdicut: gustakooka: Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase referring to an allegation raised against a person who has brought the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter. It is a metaphorical reference to card games in which a trump card may be used to gain an advantage

So if a black candidate ever says, "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black", is that playing the race card?

No. But saying "They'll try to make you fear me because I am black" when there has been no such attempt---Yes.

Diogenes: gustakooka: Diogenes: gustakooka: He was calling the McCain campaign racist, which brings racism into the discussion.

So you're saying that defending yourself against a racist attack means you're playing the race card.

You're right. Obama should be a good "boy" and just take it.

What is this "racist attack" you speak of?

Show me your "race card" and I'll show you the "racist attack."

See answer above.

Diogenes:

Only if the candidate is a Democrat. ;-)

Nope. Thats the only time if would be defended.

/independent..wrote in self in 2004

Obama doesn't look like an American because he's not fat.

gustakooka: No. But saying "They'll try to make you fear me because I am black" when there has been no such attempt---Yes.

Why isn't it? It fits the description of playing the race card you gave above. Saying 'Some people will not vote for me because I'm black' definitely is "[bringing] the issue of race or racism into a debate".

Do you not agree with the definition you cited?

Obama mentioned race when he mentioned that he will be painted as different and not the same and somehow unpresidential. That is not playing the race card. That is stating the simple truth.

McCain's camp wants dearly to drag Obama down to race baiting because that allows them the opportunity to keep bashing that point home to every person that is scared of a black man in the white house.

A level campaign based on policies is an unwinnable war for McCain.

Obdicut: gustakooka: No. But saying "They'll try to make you fear me because I am black" when there has been no such attempt---Yes.

Why isn't it? It fits the description of playing the race card you gave above. Saying 'Some people will not vote for me because I'm black' definitely is "[bringing] the issue of race or racism into a debate".

Do you not agree with the definition you cited?

Yes I do. The key difference is "to obfuscate the matter". Saying "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black" is both accurate and without tact, but not an attempt to cloud the debate.

gustakooka: Yes I do. The key difference is "to obfuscate the matter". Saying "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black" is both accurate and without tact, but not an attempt to cloud the debate.

Okay, but your definition says, "perhaps to obfuscate the matter,". So, if you think the obfuscation is a necessary part of playing the race card, you do disagree with the definition you posted.

Do you understand?

"I knew Prince Akeem. I once ran into Prince Akeem outside the bathroom at a Knicks game.

You sir ARE NO PRINCE AKEEM."

Obdicut: gustakooka: Yes I do. The key difference is "to obfuscate the matter". Saying "There may be people who don't vote for me because I'm black" is both accurate and without tact, but not an attempt to cloud the debate.

Okay, but your definition says, "perhaps to obfuscate the matter,". So, if you think the obfuscation is a necessary part of playing the race card, you do disagree with the definition you posted.

Do you understand?

Yes I agree with the definition I posted. Playing the race card deals with intent, and because you made up a hypothetical without intent, I assume there is none. The "perhaps" in the definition is saying the same thing, that intent must be presumed. You are reading "perhaps" as "maybe" instead of "perhaps" as "we can't know intent".

But yeah, definite race card. And I agree with the definition.

doesn't look like all those other presidents on the five-dollar bills

How many different presidents are there on the $5 bill?

What card are the GOP spokesbots playing when they say "Barack Hussein Obama?" It's not normal to go around highlighting someone's middle name, so what point are they making? What "card" are they playing?

(they don't do it much anymore, but early on, nearly every GOP talking head did it)

gustakooka: Yes I agree with the definition I posted. Playing the race card deals with intent, and because you made up a hypothetical without intent, I assume there is none. The "perhaps" in the definition is saying the same thing, that intent must be presumed. You are reading "perhaps" as "maybe" instead of "perhaps" as "we can't know intent".

I'm sorry; can you say that again? I can't understand what you're saying. If intent doesn't matter, than yes, my hypothetical was a playing of the race card.

Perhaps this is an easier question for you to answer: What matter, issue, or debate is Obama obfuscating by referencing his race?

gustakooka

Please forgive my dropped tag. My response to you begins with "I'm sorry".

Lionel Mandrake: What card are the GOP spokesbots playing when they say "Barack Hussein Obama?" It's not normal to go around highlighting someone's middle name, so what point are they making? What "card" are they playing?

(they don't do it much anymore, but early on, nearly every GOP talking head did it)

I'd say they are playing the name card. And it isn't directly McCain who does it, like Obama did. Also, its such a retarded, deplorable tactic; I lose respect for anyone that says his middle name. There can be no less childish way to debate.

gustakooka: I'd say they are playing the name card. And it isn't directly McCain who does it, like Obama did. Also, its such a retarded, deplorable tactic; I lose respect for anyone that says his middle name. There can be no less childish way to debate.

Well said. I'd say the name card is part race and part religion, but whatever...it sucks.

Obdicut: gustakooka: Yes I agree with the definition I posted. Playing the race card deals with intent, and because you made up a hypothetical without intent, I assume there is none. The "perhaps" in the definition is saying the same thing, that intent must be presumed. You are reading "perhaps" as "maybe" instead of "perhaps" as "we can't know intent".

I'm sorry; can you say that again? I can't understand what you're saying. If intent doesn't matter, than yes, my hypothetical was a playing of the race card.

Perhaps this is an easier question for you to answer: What matter, issue, or debate is Obama obfuscating by referencing his race?

The matter is the campaign for the presidency.

Lionel Mandrake: gustakooka: I'd say they are playing the name card. And it isn't directly McCain who does it, like Obama did. Also, its such a retarded, deplorable tactic; I lose respect for anyone that says his middle name. There can be no less childish way to debate.

Well said. I'd say the name card is part race and part religion, but whatever...it sucks.

In this case its the "he sounds like that evil dictator" more than anything.

He wasn't referring to his race. He was saying he doesn't have a beard like Lincoln.

Diogenes: He wasn't referring to his race. He was saying he doesn't have a beard like Lincoln.

I read this all wrong then. My bad.

gustakooka: The matter is the campaign for the presidency.

Okay-- so to return to your definition, you don't agree that "perhaps" belongs there, you think that playing the race card definitely involves intentionality.

So you are saying that Obama is obfuscating the issue of the election by pointing out that some people are saying that he doesn't look like other presidents?

gustakooka: In this case its the "he sounds like that evil dictator" more than anything.

Right (the evil Muslim Arab). Also called the desperation card. Like the card they're playing now.

Obdicut: gustakooka: The matter is the campaign for the presidency.

Okay-- so to return to your definition, you don't agree that "perhaps" belongs there, you think that playing the race card definitely involves intentionality.

So you are saying that Obama is obfuscating the issue of the election by pointing out that some people are saying that he doesn't look like other presidents?

Part 1 - I agree with my definition. We can end this now.

Part 2 - Yes, but what he is saying is much stronger than that. He is saying that the McCain camp wants people to be afraid that he is black.

Lionel Mandrake: gustakooka: In this case its the "he sounds like that evil dictator" more than anything.

Right (the evil Muslim Arab). Also called the desperation card. Like the card they're playing now.

They were playing that card a long time ago, before they had any reason to be desperate. And yes, its the Insane Muslim card. They could be desperate, though the polls are close and the election is far away.