You know who else got a bounce in the polls after a political rally in Berlin?

/Going for the low-hanging fruit.

Persepolis: You know who else liked the "Berlin Bounce" and knew how to use slashies?

/This guy.

I think those pics are from Munich.

Nabb1: You know who else got a bounce in the polls after a political rally in Berlin?

/Going for the low-hanging fruit.

Hahahaha.

If Obama loses this election, America should just defenestrate itself.

Nabb1

I think those pics are from Munich.

Nah. The girls in Munich can carry five of those litre mugs in each hand. First time I saw one do that I knew I was in love.

I love the "poll" right under the article "paid for by "John McCain 2008."

It shows a picture of Ahmajinedad and Obama and asks: "Is it okay to unconditionally meet with anti-American foreign leaders? Yes or No"

I can't wait to see the results!!!

Howie Spankowitz: I love the "poll" right under the article "paid for by "John McCain 2008."

It shows a picture of Ahmajinedad and Obama and asks: "Is it okay to unconditionally meet with anti-American foreign leaders? Yes or No"

I can't wait to see the results!!!

Difficulty: it's not a poll, it's a link to Pancakes' web site. No option to pick "yes" or "no"

/I just gave that site a click.
//like hell I'm gonna give 'em money

Howie Spankowitz: It shows a picture of Ahmajinedad and Obama and asks: "Is it okay to unconditionally meet with anti-American foreign leaders? Yes or No"

I can't wait to see the results!!!

You know, I clicked "Yes" but all it did was take me to McCain's site. (Insert cheap joke about Republicans not wanting to count every vote here)

Leading in the polls? Hooray!

Trailing in the polls? Bob Dole!

Hmm, so if McCain gets even a small bounce after his convention, I guess we can expect fark to greenlight that as well. I won't hold my breath.

mikemoto: Hmm, so if McCain gets even a small bounce after his convention, I guess we can expect fark to greenlight that as well. I won't hold my breath.

I'm not sure holding your breath for any bounce in McCain's numbers is a good idea.

You'll end up just as dead as him.

mikemoto: Hmm, so if McCain gets even a small bounce after his convention, I guess we can expect fark to greenlight that as well. I won't hold my breath.

mikemoto: Hmm, so if McCain gets even a small bounce after his convention, I guess we can expect fark to greenlight that as well. I won't hold my breath.



You dropped this.

mikemoto: Hmm, so if McCain gets even a small bounce after his convention, I guess we can expect fark to greenlight that as well. I won't hold my breath.

Probably. Why wouldn't Fark greenlight that?

because fark is part of the vast liberal media conspiracy, duh.

DamnYankees: If Obama loses this election, America should just defenestrate itself.

If Obama loses this election, it's his own damn fault. McCain is perhaps the weakest Republican candidate I have seen in nearly 20 years. The situation here at home favors a Democrat to win. ANY Democrat, aside from Hillary, can win against McCain. The Republicans are demoralized and scattered too, and McCain lacks the ability to get them organized.

This campaign isn't going to be about issues as much as it will be about the schisms within the Republican party. The religious right and the corporate puppets have basically run the show for a long long time now, driving the fiscal conservatives out of the picture. However, with so many of the rank and file gone and the state/local organizations so weak after years of abuse from the central party organization - the national party is going to have a very difficult time keeping party members from voting Libertarian. They might even go vote for Obama.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that barring a miracle this year will be a huge defeat for the Republicans. They won't lose it all, but they'll lose a lot. The only question is if the national leadership will learn from this harsh lesson or if they'll ignore it as a statistical aberration. I suspect that even the fanatics will finally understand that without the fiscal conservatives they're doomed. Or I hope so anyways. However, we shall have to wait and see.

Weaver95: If Obama loses this election, it's his own damn fault. McCain is perhaps the weakest Republican candidate I have seen in nearly 20 years. The situation here at home favors a Democrat to win. ANY Democrat, aside from Hillary, can win against McCain. The Republicans are demoralized and scattered too, and McCain lacks the ability to get them organized.

This isn't fair. There are plenty of reasons Obama could lose this and it not be his fault. For example, McCain picks Bloomberg who spends a literal billion dollars smearing Obama and buying ads. Not everyone is in the hands of the candidate.

If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.

And here's another poll that has Obama up by double digits (this one, 12) when Nader and Barr are included (new window)

Nabb1: You know who else got a bounce in the polls after a political rally in Berlin?

Oh look, our Fark Independent (don't you dare call him a Republican water carrier!) pulls a Godwin right out of the gate. Yes, Nabb, that's your cue to get all indignant and tell us how you're not tied to any party.

Lying piece of filth.

DamnYankees: Weaver95: If Obama loses this election, it's his own damn fault. McCain is perhaps the weakest Republican candidate I have seen in nearly 20 years. The situation here at home favors a Democrat to win. ANY Democrat, aside from Hillary, can win against McCain. The Republicans are demoralized and scattered too, and McCain lacks the ability to get them organized.

This isn't fair. There are plenty of reasons Obama could lose this and it not be his fault. For example, McCain picks Bloomberg who spends a literal billion dollars smearing Obama and buying ads. Not everyone is in the hands of the candidate.

If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.

Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

DamnYankees: If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.


The election is a referendum on Obama. The people who are going to vote for him have already decided to do so. The question is really, "how many people will he alienate before the election?"

If Obama loses the election, it will be because he was found inadequate for the job.

Bloody William: DamnYankees: Weaver95: If Obama loses this election, it's his own damn fault. McCain is perhaps the weakest Republican candidate I have seen in nearly 20 years. The situation here at home favors a Democrat to win. ANY Democrat, aside from Hillary, can win against McCain. The Republicans are demoralized and scattered too, and McCain lacks the ability to get them organized.

This isn't fair. There are plenty of reasons Obama could lose this and it not be his fault. For example, McCain picks Bloomberg who spends a literal billion dollars smearing Obama and buying ads. Not everyone is in the hands of the candidate.

If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.

Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

Given Obama actually fighting back, I think we've got a different candidate this time around.

On another note, why do you guys think Obama's leading by 10+ all the time when Nader and Barr are included? I can see Barr taking support from McCain, but why is Nader seemingly doing the same?

The Why Not Guy: Nabb1: You know who else got a bounce in the polls after a political rally in Berlin?

Oh look, our Fark Independent (don't you dare call him a Republican water carrier!) pulls a Godwin right out of the gate. Yes, Nabb, that's your cue to get all indignant and tell us how you're not tied to any party.

Lying piece of filth.

Dude, it's a cliche and a kind of humorous joke. There's been some ridiculous Obama-Hitler rhetoric in the past week (Ben Stein's hilarious bullshiat, for example), but this isn't it. Save the spite for when the real bullshiat comes out.

Bloody William: Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

The guy has been campaigning for a year and half, I don't think he is going to stumble that easy. He was cool and collective last week with all the pressure focused on him so he will be fine.

SeismicJizzer: Bloody William: Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

The guy has been campaigning for a year and half, I don't think he is going to stumble that easy. He was cool and collective last week with all the pressure focused on him so he will be fine.

You know who ELSE talked about collectives...

Bloody William: Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

This is true for every election, though. In a democracy, the people have to take responsibility for the choices they make.

Descartes: DamnYankees: If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.


The election is a referendum on Obama. The people who are going to vote for him have already decided to do so. The question is really, "how many people will he alienate before the election?"

If Obama loses the election, it will be because he was found inadequate for the job.

Unfortunately there's no one else in the race even close to adequate.

Does this mean people are ignoring McCain's desperate "Obama hates the troops because of the cancelled troop visit in Germany!" attack? Are we free to laugh at John McCain selling his soul and using Rovian politics for absolutely no return?

That McCain is only down 9 is quite amazing considering all the debacles he's had in the last week alone. If Obama had claimed the surge had protected someone's life who was actually killed the media would have that on a 24/7 loop. No election means no ratings $$.

Howie Spankowitz: I love the "poll" right under the article "paid for by "John McCain 2008."

It shows a picture of Ahmajinedad and Obama and asks: "Is it okay to unconditionally meet with anti-American foreign leaders? Yes or No"

I can't wait to see the results!!!

I seem to recall this was the site that hosted the ad with pics of thirtysomething mccain.

Nabb1: I think those pics are from Munich.

Don't get putschy.

robsul82: And here's another poll that has Obama up by double digits (this one, 12) when Nader and Barr are included (new window)

That is not the real difference in this poll. The real difference is that Gallup is registered voters the one with Obama at 51% is likely voters. Of course these polls are not used because they do not keep the horse race farce going.

RemyDuron: Unfortunately there's no one else in the race even close to adequate.

Oy. One of those.

RemyDuron: Descartes: DamnYankees: If Obama loses this election, it'll be more *our* fault than his.


The election is a referendum on Obama. The people who are going to vote for him have already decided to do so. The question is really, "how many people will he alienate before the election?"

If Obama loses the election, it will be because he was found inadequate for the job.

Unfortunately there's no one else in the race even close to adequate.

You know who else thought no one in a race was close to adequate?

robsul82: Does this mean people are ignoring McCain's desperate "Obama hates the troops because of the cancelled troop visit in Germany!" attack? Are we free to laugh at John McCain selling his soul and using Rovian politics for absolutely no return?

I think rational people are starting to figure out that McCain offers no substance and prefers to snipe from the sidelines rather than getting out there and articulating his own vision for a post-Bush America.

Furry William:
Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

I was hoping he was going to wait until after he got inaugurated to fark up royally.

DaSwankOne: robsul82: And here's another poll that has Obama up by double digits (this one, 12) when Nader and Barr are included (new window)

That is not the real difference in this poll. The real difference is that Gallup is registered voters the one with Obama at 51% is likely voters. Of course these polls are not used because they do not keep the horse race farce going.

Another interesting thing from that poll?

Voters 60 and older - 47-42 McCain, 7% unsure

McCain's only leading by 5 points among old people? That's huge if true.

moothemagiccow: Furry William:
Eh, if you look at the Gore and Kerry campaigns, it was indeed their own damn fault they lost. They didn't work hard for the goal, they thought they'd be able to simply win. Obama's worked pretty hard and smart in the campaign so far, but who knows if he won't screw up sometime in the future? I mean, that's sort of been the Democratic party's "thing" for the last decade.

I was hoping he was going to wait until after he got inaugurated to fark up royally.

Well, we have over three months. There's still time.

I've simply been refusing to admit that Obama's looking like the likely candidate, because I just don't want to jinx it.

Anyone else remember when the neocons and Fark Independents™ were trotting out the Gallup poll as one of the only polls that showed a McCain lead?

robsul82: DaSwankOne: robsul82: And here's another poll that has Obama up by double digits (this one, 12) when Nader and Barr are included (new window)

That is not the real difference in this poll. The real difference is that Gallup is registered voters the one with Obama at 51% is likely voters. Of course these polls are not used because they do not keep the horse race farce going.

Another interesting thing from that poll?

Voters 60 and older - 47-42 McCain, 7% unsure

McCain's only leading by 5 points among old people? That's huge if true.

Indeed. As is the prospect that he might lose Arizona.

GoRedSoxGo: robsul82: Does this mean people are ignoring McCain's desperate "Obama hates the troops because of the cancelled troop visit in Germany!" attack? Are we free to laugh at John McCain selling his soul and using Rovian politics for absolutely no return?

I think rational people are starting to figure out that McCain offers no substance and prefers to snipe from the sidelines rather than getting out there and articulating his own vision for a post-Bush America.

This is my main problem with McCain. Reminds me of the 'leader we can believe in' slogan with the green banner behind him. He has no illusions about the fact that he is Pepsi. Frankly, I like Pepsi better (Burger King too), but they realized a long while back they couldn't just take Coca Cola's ads, change a couple words and expect results.

GoRedSoxGo: robsul82: Does this mean people are ignoring McCain's desperate "Obama hates the troops because of the cancelled troop visit in Germany!" attack? Are we free to laugh at John McCain selling his soul and using Rovian politics for absolutely no return?

I think rational people are starting to figure out that McCain offers no substance and prefers to snipe from the sidelines rather than getting out there and articulating his own vision for a post-Bush America.

One of his big problems is he never really excited anyone. To me, he won the primary merely by default. He managed to somewhat keep his campaign from doing anything monumentally stupid while the other candidates imploded around him.

DamnYankees: RemyDuron: Unfortunately there's no one else in the race even close to adequate.

Oy. One of those.

No one ELSE. I like Obama. I don't think he's perfect, but I like him far more than Kerry and Gore. McCain isn't adequate, he's shown he's willing to sell out all credibility for a chance at winning, and I'm tired of win at any costs politicians.

GoRedSoxGo: I think rational people are starting to figure out that McCain offers no substance and prefers to snipe from the sidelines rather than getting out there and articulating his own vision for a post-Bush America.

You would have thought that during the 3 months Clinton and Obama were fighting it out, he would come up with a game plan. I am astonshied how he is just coasting along hoping to catch Obama on a major gaffe.

GoRedSoxGo: robsul82: Does this mean people are ignoring McCain's desperate "Obama hates the troops because of the cancelled troop visit in Germany!" attack? Are we free to laugh at John McCain selling his soul and using Rovian politics for absolutely no return?

I think rational people are starting to figure out that McCain offers no substance and prefers to snipe from the sidelines rather than getting out there and articulating his own vision for a post-Bush America.

You know it is about to get bad for McCain when Fox News is even pointing out that it would take away your employers incentive to offer insurance. They then followed a graphic with an outline of McCain's plan with a clip of Obama pointing out that McCain's plan will fundamentally change insurance and basically is a $3 trillion dollar burden on the workers. This thing will be over after the first debate.

I guess he is hoping he's the guy on the Price is Right who bets $301 right after someone bets $300.

He should really have better management than that. It's something only small time competitors do.

RemyDuron: DamnYankees: RemyDuron: Unfortunately there's no one else in the race even close to adequate.

Oy. One of those.

No one ELSE. I like Obama. I don't think he's perfect, but I like him far more than Kerry and Gore. McCain isn't adequate, he's shown he's willing to sell out all credibility for a chance at winning, and I'm tired of win at any costs politicians.

Whoa, sorry. I misread your statement. I apologize. I thought you were one of those "no one has been qualified for President since Filmore" types who are simply cynical about everything.

LordJiro: Anyone else remember when the neocons and Fark Independents™ were trotting out the Gallup poll as one of the only polls that showed a McCain lead?

Hell, they were crowing that there was no bounce while Obama was still in France.

GoRedSoxGo: You know who ELSE talked about collectives...