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(MSNBC) Obvious Islamic group vows more attacks during 2008 Olympics. Clearly, China needs to get out of Iraq   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 135
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Sir Roderick Glossop 2008-07-27 08:28:04 PM  
FTA: China often warns of the danger posed by the group, though some experts say the government exaggerates the threat as an excuse to suppress dissent against Chinese rule.


Or to justify the suppression of dissenters and Western protesters during the Olypmic games?

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:31:31 PM  
I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:32:26 PM  
DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

Return of the "human wave" attack, maybe?

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:33:41 PM  
Nabb1: DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

Return of the "human wave" attack, maybe?


Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:37:08 PM  
DamnYankees: Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.

I was just being snarky, but, I don't know. I don't really know what capabilities China has to project its military will. I can't recall the last time China really tried, other than Tibet, of course.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:38:57 PM  
Nabb1: I was just being snarky, but, I don't know. I don't really know what capabilities China has to project its military will. I can't recall the last time China really tried, other than Tibet, of course.

Exactly. And Tibet borders China. This has always been why the US military has been so far above everyone else in the 20th century. It's not just raw manpower or industrial strength, but the ability to sustain a battle in a place which is far away from your own nation. No other country comes remotely close.

 
Persepolis 2008-07-27 08:39:58 PM  
Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms.

 
Sir Roderick Glossop 2008-07-27 08:43:23 PM  
Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms.

Touche'

 
johnny_vegas [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:53:23 PM  
Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms hooters.


shanghaiist.com

 
Hibno 2008-07-27 08:56:16 PM  
DamnYankees: Nabb1: DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

Return of the "human wave" attack, maybe?

Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.



The terrorists are domestic. They wouldn't have to project anywhere accept their own back yard.

 
Snarfangel [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:58:46 PM  
Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms.

That's pre-z.about.com/z.about.comz.about.com thinking.

/that's harder than it looks. Darned 1 on the end should e higher.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:59:03 PM  
Hibno: DamnYankees: Nabb1: DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

Return of the "human wave" attack, maybe?

Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.


The terrorists are domestic. They wouldn't have to project anywhere accept their own back yard.


Well, that's the question. Would they stop there? How much would they discriminate between "Islamic terrorists" and "Muslims". There are alot of Muslims in China.

 
baka-san [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:01:33 PM  
Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms.

Ohh SNAP!

 
Sir Roderick Glossop 2008-07-27 09:03:39 PM  
DamnYankees: Well, that's the question. Would they stop there? How much would they discriminate between "Islamic terrorists" and "Muslims". There are alot of Muslims in China.

I think they hate all of their citizens equally. Unless, of course, they act like the mindless drones the State needs to keep its gears turning...

 
Sgygus [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:06:25 PM  
China could march a column of soldiers, four-abreast, overland to the Middle East, and the column of soldiers would never end.

 
King Something [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:08:08 PM  
johnny_vegas: Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms hooters.

*right-click*

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:08:34 PM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: I think they hate all of their citizens equally. Unless, of course, they act like the mindless drones the State needs to keep its gears turning...

They really don't like religions which compete with the state for affection.

 
shanrick [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:10:06 PM  
DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

Pay per View! It would easily surpass OW My Balls!

 
Roman Fyseek [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:10:39 PM  
China's already going to have its hands full with trying to keep reporters from reporting. How the hell are they supposed to keep tabs on terrorists?

No, no. See, the IOC can block the Iraqi athletes but, god forbid they do anything about the way that China is handling their role in preparations.

 
XxDavidZullenxX 2008-07-27 09:19:26 PM  
Persepolis: Clearly they hate China for it's freedoms.

i10.photobucket.com

 
oukewldave 2008-07-27 09:20:52 PM  
If anything happens, china will just blame their own security people for not preventing it and the head of security will suddenly vanish.

 
Nemo's Brother 2008-07-27 09:20:54 PM  
DamnYankees: I wonder what would happen if some Islamic groups pulled off an attack at the Olympics. What would it look like for a country like China to go after terrorists? It wouldn't be pretty.

I don't think they are dumb enough to fark with China. And if they take out some athletes, the "peace loving world" will help or turn the other way, depending upon their cowardice/hypocrisy.

 
atlanta_ufo 2008-07-27 09:21:44 PM  
I wouldn't want to be caught in China if I was them, they'd be praying to get into Gitmo.

 
shadowf200 2008-07-27 09:22:16 PM  
Welcome to the China club.

 
swaxhog 2008-07-27 09:22:46 PM  
Sir Roderick Glossop: FTA: China often warns of the danger posed by the group, though some experts say the government exaggerates the threat as an excuse to suppress dissent against Chinese rule.

Yeah, typical military régime spreading fear to its citizens to keep them in line. Who else would stoop so low to stay in power...

 
Funk Brothers 2008-07-27 09:24:00 PM  
Are the Islamic terrorist groups plotting a 8/8 or 8/11? That would be bad doo doo for China. It would be the worst event since the 1972 Munich Massacre. In the next few years or even weeks, Islamic terrorist groups are declaring a new jihad on China. They see China as a threat to stealing all of their oil and plunder their homelands. Just like the United States.

 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum 2008-07-27 09:26:04 PM  
I laughed out loud

:)

.

 
fight club 2008-07-27 09:26:11 PM  
Maybe the Chinese will use it as an excuse to invade Taiwan.

Worked for us in Iraq.

 
saluteyourshorts 2008-07-27 09:27:54 PM  
Don't mess with China. Chinamen can grow to over 5 feet tall and in a fight are known to kick with their legs.

 
Yes Sound 2008-07-27 09:28:18 PM  
DamnYankees: Well, that's the question. Would they stop there? How much would they discriminate between "Islamic terrorists" and "Muslims". There are alot of Muslims in China.

They handle the muslim/terrorist distinctions about as well as our rednecks do. Basically if you live out in Qinghai province you are halfway to terrorist.

 
Funk Brothers 2008-07-27 09:28:41 PM  
fight club: Maybe the Chinese will use it as an excuse to invade Taiwan Vietnam.

Hey we had a Vietnam, they can have a Vietnam too.

/Vietnam, the Mexico of China.
/Russia, the Canada of China.

 
johnny_vegas [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:29:20 PM  
fight club: Maybe the Chinese will use it as an excuse to invade Taiwan.

Worked for us in Iraq.


a. The TIP don't have WMD....oh wait
b. China doesn't have the ability to invade Taiwan

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:29:24 PM  
Yes Sound: They handle the muslim/terrorist distinctions about as well as our rednecks do. Basically if you live out in Qinghai province you are halfway to terrorist.

I'd be more worried about living in Xinjiang where no one pays any attention and the government can have an easy time covering stuff up.

 
hudef 2008-07-27 09:29:28 PM  
All these promises of attacks and protests! I bet nothing happens and it will be a big disappointment.

 
eventhelosers 2008-07-27 09:30:27 PM  
DamnYankees: Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.

They do have large planes that can carry soldiers, ammo, and rice, and container ships to transport light vehicles. What more would they really need?

 
Jeff_from_MD 2008-07-27 09:30:51 PM  
DamnYankees
Well, that's the question. Would they stop there? How much would they discriminate between "Islamic terrorists" and "Muslims". There are alot of Muslims in China.


China's been getting bombed left and right by muslim extremists for the past two decades. It's basically a way of life in some regions, and China treats it as such with their usual arrests.

But considering that the rest of the Muslim Uyghurs are actually granted affirmative action into the best schools/best jobs (including govt. positions) despite their extremist elements makes China pragmatic enough to not implicate entire ethnicities, after they ruthlessly pinpoint the terrorists that is. In fact, muslim Uyghurs don't even fall under the one-child policy because they're special.

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:35:10 PM  
eventhelosers: DamnYankees: Against who, exactly? China doesn't really have force projection, and they don't border a middle-eastern country.

They do have large planes that can carry soldiers, ammo, and rice, and container ships to transport light vehicles. What more would they really need?


Their navy is sort of weak, though they are building it up, and their air force isn't as good as you might think. Also, they have zero experience in it. Force projection is complicated. They don't have air bases in other countries, they don't have mobile bases (like an aircraft carrier), and I don't know if they have a civilian infrastructure which can provide for their military.

 
squadron499 2008-07-27 09:35:32 PM  
Why not hit the Olympics? It's going to be LOADED with Infidels.

/Running all over the place. Pun intended.
K/H D

 
Dull Cow Eyes 2008-07-27 09:35:57 PM  
The photo in TFA looks like a Hollywood producer trying to make
THE WORST MUSIC VIDEO OF ALL TIME.


And FTA:Turkestan Islamic Party has released a video asserting responsibility for deadly bus bombings last week in China's western Yunnan province


Great idea on the target, huh? Because as we all know, the most powerful people in the world ride the bus.

/facepalm

 
TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:36:37 PM  
fight club: Maybe the Chinese will use it as an excuse to invade Taiwan.

Worked for us in Iraq.


Pre-emptively, no less.

/A day that will live in infamy...if they lose.

 
Yes Sound 2008-07-27 09:40:38 PM  
DamnYankees: Yes Sound: They handle the muslim/terrorist distinctions about as well as our rednecks do. Basically if you live out in Qinghai province you are halfway to terrorist.

I'd be more worried about living in Xinjiang where no one pays any attention and the government can have an easy time covering stuff up.


I got that impression from xining as well. I can only imagine how much more isolated xinjiang is.

 
Asura-HiME 2008-07-27 09:41:25 PM  
This thread definitely needs hot Uighur ladies. Even the GIS failed me.

/be in my bunk

 
thumbsucker 2008-07-27 09:43:37 PM  
"Police: Couple in cesspool was killed by hoe"

 
some_beer_drinker 2008-07-27 09:44:12 PM  
您所有的基地属于我们!

 
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:45:26 PM  
some_beer_drinker: 您所有的基地属于我们!

I have no idea what this has to do with the thread, but I laughed.

 
gund 2008-07-27 09:46:22 PM  
DamnYankees: Yes Sound: They handle the muslim/terrorist distinctions about as well as our rednecks do. Basically if you live out in Qinghai province you are halfway to terrorist.

I'd be more worried about living in Xinjiang where no one pays any attention and the government can have an easy time covering stuff up.


yes because tibet in 2008 was such a great coverup...

 
Rodeodoc 2008-07-27 09:46:55 PM  
Last month, the government executed three people identified as members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement.

Beats the hell out of financing a prison in another country.

DamnYankees: ...and I don't know if they have a civilian infrastructure which can provide for their military.

Uhmm, I'm not a military expert, but I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express. Isn't the fact that they have a billion or two folks that are pretty patriotic considered a "civilian infrastructure"? They don't have to be well trained. Just armed. In the style of WWI they could just keep throwing troops at the enemy until they wear them down, no? Not trying to snark, as you seem to have some knowledge of these things. Would appreciate your insight.

 
True Value 2008-07-27 09:49:02 PM  
Bling it on!

 
eventhelosers 2008-07-27 09:50:39 PM  
DamnYankees
Their navy is sort of weak, though they are building it up, and their air force isn't as good as you might think. Also, they have zero experience in it. Force projection is complicated. They don't have air bases in other countries, they don't have mobile bases (like an aircraft carrier), and I don't know if they have a civilian infrastructure which can provide for their military.

I get that. Guess I'm thinking an Afghanistan or Sudan situation where they could overcome the ill equipped opposition with shear numbers.

I bet an infantry saturation would be more effective than our high tech approach. Ted Koppel says they have 300 million excess people who have nothing to do.

/watches too much history channel
//do understand your reasoning
///my military career came to an end at the high rank of specialist when I failed a piss test so I consider myself an expert at all things military
////my platoon smoked mad weed
//still got an honorable discharge

 
FunkyBlue 2008-07-27 09:50:55 PM  
some_beer_drinker: 您所有的基地属于我们!

Shouldn't this be:










们!

 
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