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(Telegraph) Obvious Graduate students driven away from teaching because it is too similar to social work and policing, particularly if there is a classroom full of liberal arts uselessness before them   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 292
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The Great EZE [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:25:26 PM  
Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes

 
kaminariko [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 08:55:52 PM  
Oh, this is England.

I'm sure the situation is very different in the United States where we value and support our teachers.

/man, I actually typed that whole sentence with a straight face

 
strangeguitar 2008-07-27 08:59:28 PM  
What about the allure of banging your students?

 
Lane83 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:01:54 PM  
The Great EZE: Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes


Yes. See, while the business majors are busy negotiating arms sales contracts, the liberal arts majors, with their superior knowledge of history and military tactics, will have enlisted the aid of the ROTC groups to launch a pre-emptive strike against business schools. All that glass and steel look sleek and modern, but it provides little in the way of protection.

The engineering students, on the other hand, would have been busy building engines of war if they weren't so preoccupied with their homework. We'll catch them completely unawares and send in our most effective shock troops, the education majors.

The science majors shall be our closest allies, for they too know the sting of being forced into the "academic world," away from the glamour and glitz of data entry and working in mailrooms. With their superior knowledge of physics, we can begin to build bombs, and the health sciences majors shall be the preeminent field doctors, available to treat all wounds.

Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

And then we'll break for a cheese and wine tasting.

 
The Great EZE [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 09:12:30 PM  
Lane83:

That is just a solid plan. And the moral: you never enter a ground war with liberal arts majors.

 
Hibno 2008-07-27 09:31:59 PM  
Lane83:

Yay, I'm a shock troop.

 
panzerfaustbob 2008-07-27 10:43:36 PM  
Q: What did the Liberal Arts major say to the Engineering major?

A: Would you like fries with that?

 
MrHormel 2008-07-27 10:43:56 PM  
Jolly good, nothing to see here. Good show!

 
Chibi Shinigami 2008-07-27 10:44:16 PM  
Lane83: The Great EZE: Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes

Yes. See, while the business majors are busy negotiating arms sales contracts, the liberal arts majors, with their superior knowledge of history and military tactics, will have enlisted the aid of the ROTC groups to launch a pre-emptive strike against business schools. All that glass and steel look sleek and modern, but it provides little in the way of protection.

The engineering students, on the other hand, would have been busy building engines of war if they weren't so preoccupied with their homework. We'll catch them completely unawares and send in our most effective shock troops, the education majors.

The science majors shall be our closest allies, for they too know the sting of being forced into the "academic world," away from the glamour and glitz of data entry and working in mailrooms. With their superior knowledge of physics, we can begin to build bombs, and the health sciences majors shall be the preeminent field doctors, available to treat all wounds.

Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

And then we'll break for a cheese and wine tasting.


+1. I liked it.

 
kilgorn 2008-07-27 10:44:32 PM  
They don't remember their babysitting days with fondness?

 
aneki 2008-07-27 10:46:24 PM  
Took one elective in college in liberal arts. It was an education class called "Multicultural Literature".

Every week you had to pick a children's book (2nd grade level) that had a multicultural theme from a list. Then you had to write a summary on a notecard and put two activities you could do with a class.

There were no tests, no quizzes, no real point except learning about how wonderful multiculturalism was.

It was about that time that I realized why growing up more than half my teachers were morons.

/ Also have seen stats that the bottom third of college enrollments by SAT score are the most likely to go into teaching. *sigh*

 
Bob Dolemite [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:47:33 PM  
panzerfaustbob: Q: What did the Liberal Arts major say to the Engineering major?

A: Would you like fries with that?


And what did the engineer say to the mass populace? Nothing. Because the engineer has no social skills, plays WoW in their parents basement, and relies heavily on retarded lame ass jokes that involve equations and are so out there that five other people in the world would "get it".

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 10:48:13 PM  
Math is a liberal art.

Science is a liberal art.

Continue bashing the arts.

I mean we all eat rice, drive the same gray car, and we all wear denim.

AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?

 
woogs 2008-07-27 10:48:14 PM  
Lane83: The Great EZE: Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes

Yes. See, while the business majors are busy negotiating arms sales contracts, the liberal arts majors, with their superior knowledge of history and military tactics, will have enlisted the aid of the ROTC groups to launch a pre-emptive strike against business schools. All that glass and steel look sleek and modern, but it provides little in the way of protection.

The engineering students, on the other hand, would have been busy building engines of war if they weren't so preoccupied with their homework. We'll catch them completely unawares and send in our most effective shock troops, the education majors.

The science majors shall be our closest allies, for they too know the sting of being forced into the "academic world," away from the glamour and glitz of data entry and working in mailrooms. With their superior knowledge of physics, we can begin to build bombs, and the health sciences majors shall be the preeminent field doctors, available to treat all wounds.

Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

And then we'll break for a cheese and wine tasting.


You're missing the mathematicians! What ever will you do without them?

 
the_good_senator 2008-07-27 10:48:26 PM  
I'll be teaching some entry-level chemistry classes eventually, does that count?

/Might help if I understood it first, right?
//At least in a more general sense instead of just enough to use the expensive instrumentation...

 
water_man0 2008-07-27 10:48:41 PM  
Not to mention the salary. :(

 
odisae 2008-07-27 10:49:34 PM  
panzerfaustbob: Q: What did the Liberal Arts major say to the Engineering major?

A: Would you like fries with that?


I used to have that T-shirt. It drew a healthy mix of cheers and jeers when I wore it to class.

 
Being Famous Sucks [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:49:45 PM  
As a soon to be grad student myself, I must say that this 'unglamorous' reasoning is bull poop. Are they getting PhD's for the unlimited poon at A-list events, or is it for the fame of dead-end research? I'd love to be a teacher, stay away from the real world as long as possible.

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 10:50:13 PM  
1. Work at McDonalds, smoke pot, and get laid

2. Work as an engineer, snort at Sci-Fi inaccuracies, turn red and stutter when women walk into the room

You choose

 
LosinMySenses [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:50:21 PM  
This is why you need a good document frame for Liberal Arts majors who graduate college with a useless degree. Purpose? To take said frame and whack over your head asking, "I wasted four years of my life for THIS?"

What? It's either that or take a hammer to the fame.

 
theteacher 2008-07-27 10:50:50 PM  
My SAT score was 1140 (before there were 3 tests). I passed the Praxis II exam the first time through. I was a Presidential Merit Scholar (full ride) and I love teaching. Yes, it is a bit like social work and policing but it very interesting and stimulating. I teach in the inner city and wish I could see what the suburbs were like. I may take some time off this year and find out. I also want to see what they are teaching in the early grades. I teach high school in America.

If you want to make money, don't go into teaching.
If you want to change the world, don't go into teaching.
If you want to encourage others to become adults, go in to teaching.

 
consciousNOT [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:51:30 PM  
Yeah, it's kind of like work, the one thing that people go to graduate school to avoid.

 
UNC_Samurai [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:51:35 PM  
I can only assume "teaching" refers to the UK equivalent of American public schools. And yes, in the US, you'll never get the best and brightest teaching anything other than college. It's just not worth the hassle.

 
Mentat [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:52:23 PM  
Lane83: Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

Yeah, about that. I have a proposal due next month, so could we maybe put the Revolution off until November or so?

 
Being Famous Sucks [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:53:10 PM  
***addendum

I would never teach high school. Elementary probably. Middle school? I'd hang myself first.

 
towatchoverme 2008-07-27 10:53:13 PM  
woogs: You're missing the mathematicians! What ever will you do without them?

They don't count.

 
NYZooMan 2008-07-27 10:53:14 PM  
All the teachers I talk to make me glad I didn't go there.

Hell hole.

 
Wulfman 2008-07-27 10:53:16 PM  
DaShredda: Math is a liberal art.

Science is a liberal art.

Continue bashing the arts.

I mean we all eat rice, drive the same gray car, and we all wear denim.

AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?



You've got a point. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves. It's the stinkin' humanities we should be ganging up on.

 
aneki 2008-07-27 10:53:21 PM  
DaShredda: 1. Work at McDonalds, smoke pot, and get laid

2. Work as an engineer, snort at Sci-Fi inaccuracies, turn red and stutter when women walk into the room

You choose



Work as engineer, snort at sci-fi inaccuracies, start out making 2-3x most professional liberal arts majors make (if they're lucky enough to land a journalism job etc, if not then we're talking 4-6x starting salary). As a somewhat skilled engineer, enjoy better than national average salary and wage growth throughout career. Wait for younger women to grow up and realize they like a nice roof over their head and a man who can take care of them. Epic win.

 
odisae 2008-07-27 10:53:43 PM  
Liberal Arts degrees aren't completely useless. They do make wonderful placemats.

/Thanks QC

 
The Great EZE [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 10:56:38 PM  
Bob Dolemite: And what did the engineer say to the mass populace? Nothing. Because the engineer has no social skills, plays WoW in their parents basement, and relies heavily on retarded lame ass jokes that involve equations and are so out there that five other people in the world would "get it".

Now now, be nice to the brilliant brilliant engineers. I mean, they were too busy bragging with their engineering buddies about how much smarter and better they are than the rest of the college to develop any useful non-engineering skills. But it's okay. Everybody knows that stories about writing code and wiring video game systems are real panty-moisteners.

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 10:56:45 PM  
aneki: Work as engineer, snort at sci-fi inaccuracies, start out making 2-3x most professional liberal arts majors make (if they're lucky enough to land a journalism job etc, if not then we're talking 4-6x starting salary). As a somewhat skilled engineer, enjoy better than national average salary and wage growth throughout career. Wait for younger women to grow up and realize they like a nice roof over their head and a man who can take care of them. Epic win.

I see you'll have a long, fulfilling life of doing nothing anyone gives a rat ass about.

But hey, you gots ta get yours before I gets mine.

cream get the money Dolla dolla bill yall

AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?

 
saluteyourshorts 2008-07-27 10:57:59 PM  
Being Famous Sucks: I'd love to be a teacher, stay away from the real world as long as possible.

As a current grad student, I can tell you that, in some ways, academia can be just as bad as the real world. The people are generally nicer and you'll make some great friends, but the politics and administrative bs is still there.

 
remus 2008-07-27 10:58:09 PM  
www.enemyplanet.com

 
jpx72x 2008-07-27 10:58:35 PM  
theteacher: My SAT score was 1140 (before there were 3 tests). I passed the Praxis II exam the first time through. I was a Presidential Merit Scholar (full ride) and I love teaching. Yes, it is a bit like social work and policing but it very interesting and stimulating. I teach in the inner city and wish I could see what the suburbs were like. I may take some time off this year and find out. I also want to see what they are teaching in the early grades. I teach high school in America.

If you want to make money, don't go into teaching.
If you want to change the world, don't go into teaching.
If you want to encourage others to become adults, go in to teaching.


Wait. You're proud of an 1140? You're like smarter than 4/5 people who take the test.

 
2bits 2008-07-27 10:58:43 PM  
DaShredda: 1. Work at McDonalds, smoke pot, and get laid

2. Work as an engineer, snort at Sci-Fi inaccuracies, turn red and stutter when women walk into the room

You choose


See the trick is to do (1) give up the job and pot(not if your a M.E.), get the (2) degree and keep the chick. Worked for me. Although you will have to deal with never being invited to another movie again by your friends, (I yelled THIS IS BULLshiat!! quite loudly halfway through Deep Impact).

 
hstein3 2008-07-27 11:00:26 PM  
I read through the article a little fast, but I found it incredibly hard to follow.

Still, I think it was about college graduates who didn't want to go into teaching, not graduate students who didn't want to teach.

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 11:00:26 PM  
PS

Everyone knows your $trophy wife$ gets farked by the pool boy.

 
Anthropophaguy 2008-07-27 11:01:42 PM  
My liberal arts education has done me pretty well so far. I just came back from a delightful all-paid-plus-stipend yearlong stay in Kyoto working on behalf of the DoJ, maintaining legal relations. Japanese judges can definitely outdrink American judges.

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 11:01:47 PM  
www.americansuperstarmag.com

My engineer puts a roof over my head.

The liberal arts major gives me head.

 
matrygg 2008-07-27 11:03:03 PM  
Lane83: The Great EZE: Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes

Yes. See, while the business majors are busy negotiating arms sales contracts, the liberal arts majors, with their superior knowledge of history and military tactics, will have enlisted the aid of the ROTC groups to launch a pre-emptive strike against business schools. All that glass and steel look sleek and modern, but it provides little in the way of protection.

The engineering students, on the other hand, would have been busy building engines of war if they weren't so preoccupied with their homework. We'll catch them completely unawares and send in our most effective shock troops, the education majors.

The science majors shall be our closest allies, for they too know the sting of being forced into the "academic world," away from the glamour and glitz of data entry and working in mailrooms. With their superior knowledge of physics, we can begin to build bombs, and the health sciences majors shall be the preeminent field doctors, available to treat all wounds.

Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

And then we'll break for a cheese and wine tasting.


Don't forget that we usually have to learn at least one foreign language and research out of books, rather than the internet...that'll help when it comes time to build trebuchets to lob the aforementioned bombs.

 
MrHormel 2008-07-27 11:03:20 PM  
You might be an engineer if . . .
. . . you have no life and can prove it mathematically.
. . . you enjoy pain.
. . . you know vector calculus but you can't remember how to do long division.
. . . you chuckle whenever anyone says "centrifugal force."
. . . you've actually ever used every single function on your graphing calculator.
. . . when you look in the mirror, you see an engineering major.
. . . it is sunny and 70 degrees outside, and you are working on a computer.
. . . you frequently whistle the theme song to "MacGyver."
. . . you always do homework on Friday nights.
. . . you know how to integrate a chicken and can take the derivative of water.
. . . you think in "math."
. . . you've calculated that the World Series actually diverges.
. . . you hesitate to look at something because you don't want to break down its wave function.
. . . you have a pet named after a scientist.
. . . you laugh at jokes about mathematicians.
. . . the Humane Society has had you arrested because you actually performed the Schroedinger's Cat Experiment.
. . . you can translate English into Binary.
. . . you can't remember what's behind the door in the science building which says "Exit."
. . . you have to bring a jacket with you, in the middle of summer, because there's a wind-chill factor in the lab.
. . . you are completely addicted to caffeine.
. . . you avoid doing anything because you don't want to contribute to the eventual heat-death of the universe.
. . . you consider any non-science course "easy."
. . . when your professor asks you where your homework is, you claim to have accidentally determined its momentum so precisely, that according to Heisenberg it could be anywhere in the universe.
. . . the "fun" center of your brain has deteriorated from lack of use.
. . . you'll assume that a "horse" is a "sphere" in order to make the math easier.
. . . you understood more than five of these indicators.
. . . you make a hard copy of this list and post it on your office door.
. . . you think it might be a neat idea to send this message to all of your friends in the form of email.
. . . you know the glass is neither half full nor half empty; it's simply twice as big as it needs to be.

 
GypsyJoker 2008-07-27 11:04:02 PM  
saluteyourshorts: Being Famous Sucks: I'd love to be a teacher, stay away from the real world as long as possible.

As a current grad student, I can tell you that, in some ways, academia can be just as bad as the real world. The people are generally nicer and you'll make some great friends, but the politics and administrative bs is still there.


Bingo. I think a PhD is often nothing more than a license to act like a pampered, petulant child.

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 11:05:14 PM  
WELCOME TO FARK

www.theage.com.au

Hop-Hop artists are the scum of the earth. All they care about is money and women.

Unlike our justification of becoming engineers, which is about money and women.

 
matrygg 2008-07-27 11:05:16 PM  
DaShredda: Math is a liberal art.

Science is a liberal art.

Continue bashing the arts.

I mean we all eat rice, drive the same gray car, and we all wear denim.

AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?


Yeah, but they somehow relate to computer programming, so they're ok, I suppose.

I just like how generally speaking the comp. sci. people base their opinion of the liberal arts on one gen ed, but expect us to base our opinion of comp. sci. on senior seminars and the like.

 
matrygg 2008-07-27 11:06:04 PM  
woogs: Lane83: The Great EZE: Time for a college degree war again?

/the "fat thread" of underrated Fark memes

Yes. See, while the business majors are busy negotiating arms sales contracts, the liberal arts majors, with their superior knowledge of history and military tactics, will have enlisted the aid of the ROTC groups to launch a pre-emptive strike against business schools. All that glass and steel look sleek and modern, but it provides little in the way of protection.

The engineering students, on the other hand, would have been busy building engines of war if they weren't so preoccupied with their homework. We'll catch them completely unawares and send in our most effective shock troops, the education majors.

The science majors shall be our closest allies, for they too know the sting of being forced into the "academic world," away from the glamour and glitz of data entry and working in mailrooms. With their superior knowledge of physics, we can begin to build bombs, and the health sciences majors shall be the preeminent field doctors, available to treat all wounds.

Meanwhile, sequestered among our ancient buildings of stone and mortar, we will bide our time, planning, writing our eloquent victory speeches, so that when we emerge victorious at last, all shall grovel at our well-educated feet.

And then we'll break for a cheese and wine tasting.

You're missing the mathematicians! What ever will you do without them?


They calculate the trajectories for the trebuchets.

 
Sypad 2008-07-27 11:07:17 PM  
There really aren't many people on the side of teachers anymore - parents will sue you if you discipline/fail their snowflakes, and the administration would rather fire you than back you up. Combine that with the generally crappy pay and I don't blame people for not wanting to teach in public schools.

Now, if we'd increase the length of the school year and the pay of teachers accordingly, we'd put a dent in one of those problems. I know it'll never happen, but its nice to pretend.

 
CayceP 2008-07-27 11:07:59 PM  
I had shiatty SAT scores and destroyed the Praxis II. I left the teaching program that admitted me after my first reading came to me pre-underlined and the first lecture consisted of some tripe about teachers being moral agents, which is exactly the problem in America today. I'm here to teach your kids how to think critically. Right and wrong--beyond what is and isn't legal--needs to come from parents.

/miss the high school kids, but:
//their parents can DIAF
///going for the ph.d

 
DaShredda 2008-07-27 11:09:22 PM  
SAT Score - 1370

College Major - Graphic Art

 
2bits 2008-07-27 11:09:49 PM  
ex and a constant are walking down the street. They turn into a dark alley, and a derivative operator jumps out of the shadows and blocks their path.

"Oh no," says the constant, "He's going to turn me into nothing!"

"It's okay," says ex, "I'm ex and I'm not afraid of derivative operators. They can't harm me."

So, ex walks down the alley and greets the derivative operator, "Hi, I'm ex."

And the derivative operator replies, "Hi, I'm d/dy."

(ex= e exponential x is case your confused there)

 
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