If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.
Fark SearchWeb Fark

         more options... Create account

(Politico) Hero "I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, 'You're less patriotic than me. I'm more patriotic.'" Hegel'owned   (politico.com) divider line 114
More: Hero  

114 Comments   (+0 »)


Fark.com's  Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer:
100.00% Fascist 3.61% Fascist
Archived thread
First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
staplermofo [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 02:51:04 PM  
You know how in some martial arts, although they evolved from actual fighting, after years of no one involved being in a fight they turned into goofy, twirly crap?

Political debate is turning into that.

 
CravenMorehead 2008-07-27 03:01:14 PM  
I think it's great when the headline is 1/2 of the entire article.

 
Churchill2004 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 03:02:38 PM  
A politician stating the obvious truth does not make them a hero. It just momentarily makes them less of a douche.

 
baorao 2008-07-27 03:04:58 PM  
thats some pretty lazy blogging.

 
Gwendolyn [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 03:06:59 PM  
This shiat has been going on for 60 years.

From my gmail signature:

"Without exhaustive debate, even heated debate, of ideas and programs, free government would weaken and wither. But if we allow ourselves to be persuaded that every individual or party that takes issue with our own convictions is necessarily wicked or treasonous, then, indeed, we are approaching the end of freedom's road."
--President Dwight D. Eisenhower

 
shaggenstein 2008-07-27 03:11:26 PM  
isn't his name spelled Hagel, not Hegel?

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 03:33:45 PM  
from the ad "Obama had rather go to the gym than visit the troops" and while that's on the audio the picture is of Obama playing basketball WITH THE TROOPS.
Does the ad mention that the DoD told them not to come?
These people prey upon the uninformed.

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:10:32 PM  
I prefer being Heigl'owned

www.katherineheigl.ws

 
Howie Spankowitz [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:20:54 PM  
Atillathepun: I prefer being Heigl'owned

Not if I have to listen to her talk.

 
JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm 2008-07-27 04:33:07 PM  
blogs.pcworld.com

My friends, did I take it too far on this one? I mean, errr, I would never question Osama's patriotism, that is not how this campaign or administration will be run.

/My friends.

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:35:45 PM  

Loved it on Meet the Press today when he totally owned Brokaw spewing that neocon pundit tripe.

BROKAW: Next stop, Berlin. You were a rock star, as you often are when you give a speech, you had some by estimates, 200 thousand people listening to you-big crowd. Not everyone in America was an admirer. Charles Krauthammer, the conservative columnist, said 'he hadn't earned the right to speak there,' and David Brooks from the New York Times, who is an early admirer of your rhetoric and the early stages of the campaign had this to say in his column, about your appearance in Berlin: " When John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan went to Berlin, their rhetoric soared, but their optimism was grounded in the reality of politics, conflict and hard choices. Kennedy didn't dream of the universal brotherhood of man. He drew lines that reflected hard realities. Reagan didn't call for a kumbaya moment. He cited tough policies that sparked harsh political disagreements. Much of Obama's Berlin speech fed the illusion that we could solve our problems if only people mystically come together. We should help Israelis and Palestinians unite. We should unite to prevent genocide in Darfur. We should unite so the Iranians won't develop nukes. The great illusion of the 1990s, according to David Brooks, was that we were entering an era of global convergence in which politics and power didn't matter. What Obama offered in Berlin flowed right out of that mind-set. Since then, autocracies have arisen, the competition for resources has grown fiercer, Russia has clamped down, Iran is on the march. It will take politics and power to address these challenges, the two factors that dare not speak their name in Obama's lofty peroration. Obama has benefited from a week of good images. But substantively, optimism without reality isn't eloquence. It's just Disney."
Why didn't you use that occasion to spell out in great detail a sweeping vision of the Obama Doctrine?

OBAMA: [laughs] Well...

BROKAW: You're [unclear] the President of the United States.

OBAMA: ...Let me say first of all there are a bunch of really good reviews that you didn't ....that you didn't put up on the screen. I'd say there's about nine good reviews for every bad one. Number two, I think David Brooks is one of my favorite conservatives, but he is a conservative who is supportive of John McCain, so let's, you know, put that out there as a caveat.

BROKAW: But here's the point...

OBAMA: But let's get to the point. No one speech does everything, right? I could have delivered a(n) exhaustive list of policy prescriptions. I suspect that 200,000 people would have slowly drifted off as I entered into the 45th minute of the speech. What I was trying to do was provide some broad themes in terms of where America needs to go and where Europe needs to go. And contrary to David Brooks' suggestion, and some of the suggestions of other conservatives, I was I think pretty clear about the difficulties of power and politics. When I specifically said that Europeans need to step up and do more in Afghanistan, that wasn't an applause line in Germany. When I talked about the fact they need to do more in Iraq, despite our past differences, that wasn't an applause line in Germany. When I talked about the fact that there has been too much anti-American sentiment and a stereotyping of America in Europe, that wasn't an applause line in Germany, that wasn't a bunch of high flying rhetoric. So I think given the purpose of this that I had, which was to get Europeans to recognize the extraordinary sacrifices that Americans have made on behalf of world freedom and security and to get Americans to recognize we need partners in order to be effective to solve our problems. I would give myself a slightly better grade than David Brooks did.

 
Hollie Maea 2008-07-27 04:36:00 PM  
I think he's right. It worked pretty well in 2004, but now everyone feels stupid for having fallen for it.

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2008-07-27 04:39:03 PM  
I haven't seen the actual Ad, so I can't talk specifics. In general though, attack type ad's are pointless and pretty low brow. I hope he learns from this mistake.

 
Two Dogs Farking [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:45:07 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: I hope he learns from this mistake.

Silly 3_Butt_Cheeks, never heard that you can't teach an old dog new pancakes?

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:45:47 PM  
Howie Spankowitz: Atillathepun: I prefer being Heigl'owned

Not if I have to listen to her talk.


. . .she talks?

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2008-07-27 04:46:53 PM  
Two Dogs Farking: 3_Butt_Cheeks: I hope he learns from this mistake.

Silly 3_Butt_Cheeks, never heard that you can't teach an old dog new pancakes?


Ah, the Pancakes meme. Kudos on that.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 04:52:49 PM  
McCain IS more patriotic. Period. It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

 
guilt by association 2008-07-27 04:53:29 PM  

 
Hollie Maea 2008-07-27 04:54:27 PM  
captain_napalm: McCain IS more patriotic. Period. It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

Shhhh...the adults are talking. Please go play outside. Thank you, dear.

 
67 Beetle 2008-07-27 04:55:31 PM  
Atillathepun: I prefer being Heigl'owned

THREAD WINNER!

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2008-07-27 04:57:05 PM  
guilt by association: Here's the ad (pops)

No video on these work comps, will check it out at home. Thanks for the link.

 
Two Dogs Farking [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:57:18 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah, the Pancakes meme. Kudos on that.

Yeah, well, sometimes you just have to go for the low-hanging pancakes. It's late over here and I have to get to pancakes soon.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 04:57:54 PM  
Hollie Maea: Shhhh...the adults are talking. Please go play outside. Thank you, dear.

you and your beatlemania are the ones that need to go outside - and you WILL, at least metaphorically, this November.

 
Jim_Callahan 2008-07-27 04:58:46 PM  
Hollie Maea: I think he's right. It worked pretty well in 2004, but now everyone feels stupid for having fallen for it.

Blaming 2004 on anything the Republicans did is kind of disingenious. That was mostly about John Kerry being possibly the worst candidate for executive office (in terms of electability -- as a public servant he's pretty bad, but nowhere near the bottom) that the country has ever seen. Having a significant senate voting record (complete with the usual vote-trading) was a bad move to begin with, but they picked a guy who'd openly accused US troops as individuals of being a bunch of criminals and murderers on national television. The Dems could have put a board with a mean face on it (Keanu Reeves?) and landslided the hell out of the 2004 election, but apparently they really, really wanted to lose.

//Edwards didn't help, either.

 
WaltzingMathilda [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:59:01 PM  
Howie Spankowitz: Atillathepun: I prefer being Heigl'owned

Not if I have to listen to her talk.


Liar. Seriously. It's funny, but it's a lie.

 
RevMercutio [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:59:06 PM  
JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: My friends, did I take it too far on this one? I mean, errr, I would never question Osama's patriotism, that is not how this campaign or administration will be run.

/My friends.


Still needs a reference to being a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

 
bulldg4life [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 04:59:51 PM  
captain_napalm: McCain IS more patriotic. Period. It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

Is there a cool scale that each candidate carries around to show the regular people such things?

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2008-07-27 05:00:46 PM  
Two Dogs Farking: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah, the Pancakes meme. Kudos on that.

Yeah, well, sometimes you just have to go for the low-hanging pancakes. It's late over here and I have to get to pancakes soon.


Fair enough. It's just that it's about as worn out as Nanny State and Messiah.

 
what_now [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:00:51 PM  
captain_napalm: It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

What strength? Economic, moral or military? Because right now Europeans are flocking here for vacation because the dollar is so weak, we're considered a joke internationally, and we're getting our asses kicked by a bunch of 13th century cave dwellers.

Does pointing that out makes me "unpatriotic"? Should I just ignore it and pray that it all gets better somehow? Enlighten me, please.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:01:07 PM  
bulldg4life: Is there a cool scale

yes, and apparently obama is cool, because the kids who want acceptance lap up his crap non-farking-stop.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:02:05 PM  
what_now: Does pointing that out makes me "unpatriotic"?

most of it makes you an opportunistic liar who would rather lose a war than an election, just like your pathetic paper messiah.

/he's getting 41% in november
//and that's IF the pothead brigade even shows up

 
Hollie Maea 2008-07-27 05:02:32 PM  
captain_napalm: you and your beatlemania are the ones that need to go outside - and you WILL, at least metaphorically, this November.

Yes dear, you can show me the bug you found after our guests leave. Run along now.

 
bulldg4life [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:03:17 PM  
captain_napalm: yes, and apparently obama is cool, because the kids who want acceptance lap up his crap non-farking-stop.

well, now you're not even trying

Call him a muslim traitor and be done with this thread, good sir.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:05:59 PM  
bulldg4life: Call him a muslim traitor and be done with this thread, good sir.

y'all WISH it ended there.

 
what_now [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:05:59 PM  
captain_napalm: most of it makes you an opportunistic liar who would rather lose a war than an election,

And you would rather 1000 more soldiers die than admit that "them libruls was right", wouldn't you.

It was a mistake to invade Iraq and the execution of that war has been badly mismanaged at every step. Almost 80% of the country now realizes this, but you keep clinging to your falsehoods.

 
what_now [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:06:53 PM  
captain_napalm: /he's getting 41% in november

Then why are you so worried?

 
DrBenway [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:07:56 PM  
captain_napalm:

most of it makes you an opportunistic liar who would rather lose a war than an election, just like your pathetic paper messiah.


Polly want a cracker?

 
PseudoNic 2008-07-27 05:09:39 PM  
DrBenway: Polly want a cracker?

Ha!

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:09:51 PM  
captain_napalm: McCain IS more patriotic. Period. It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

Say you love someone. Are you MORE in love with that person if you ignore their faults and pretend that they're perfect, even if their actions negatively impact you? Or do you love that person more if you take the good with the bad with open eyes and help them to improve themselves while still loving them AND letting them know that there are some things you simply won't put up with?

If you do the former, prepare for a lifetime of getting shat upon. HARD. Oh, and look at the last 7+ years. This is exactly what your craven form of co-dependent, beaten spouse syndrome, "patriotism" gets you. Good job. Hey, go buy another yellow ribbon and a Toby Keith album. That'll make everything better.

 
Andric 2008-07-27 05:10:04 PM  
captain_napalm: what_now: Does pointing that out makes me "unpatriotic"?

most of it makes you an opportunistic liar who would rather lose a war than an election, just like your pathetic paper messiah.

/he's getting 41% in november
//and that's IF the pothead brigade even shows up


How you escaped the ignore list this long, I do not know.

Problem solved!

 
3_Butt_Cheeks 2008-07-27 05:11:18 PM  
Threadjack completed!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:12:23 PM  
captain_napalm: what_now: Does pointing that out makes me "unpatriotic"?

most of it makes you an opportunistic liar who would rather lose a war than an election, just like your pathetic paper messiah.

/he's getting 41% in november
//and that's IF the pothead brigade even shows up


Then why all the blather? If you really believe that McCain is unbeatable, then you have nothing to worry about.

 
Argh2 2008-07-27 05:13:19 PM  
I think we all need to agree on the meaning of the word "Patriotic".

If you think it means "loves country and the principles it was founded upon", that's one thing.

If you mean "wraps oneself in flag at every opportunity and self-righteously attacks fellow countrymen", well, that's another.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:13:41 PM  
what_now: It was a mistake to invade Iraq and the execution of that war has been badly mismanaged at every step.

it's your miserable ilk that render us damn near unable to fight wars anymore.

/sure, go in
//but then we'll cry
///and be out in 1 year - you know, like WWII, right?
////oh and don't fight on arab holidays
/and ask a lawyer before every shot you take

morons.

 
ZangTT 2008-07-27 05:14:09 PM  
The Ad ran in Denver during....SNL?

WTF is it with this campaign's timings?

 
SeismicJizzer 2008-07-27 05:14:36 PM  
Looks like it is going to be a another bad week for McCain.

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:14:44 PM  
Atillathepun: captain_napalm: McCain IS more patriotic. Period. It's a goddamn joke when you can outwardly decry American strength (i.e. obambi, pelosi, hillary), and still be taken seriously as a candidate for office.

Say you love someone. Are you MORE in love with that person if you ignore their faults and pretend that they're perfect, even if their actions negatively impact you? Or do you love that person more if you take the good with the bad with open eyes and help them to improve themselves while still loving them AND letting them know that there are some things you simply won't put up with?

If you do the former, prepare for a lifetime of getting shat upon. HARD. Oh, and look at the last 7+ years. This is exactly what your craven form of co-dependent, beaten spouse syndrome, "patriotism" gets you. Good job. Hey, go buy another yellow ribbon and a Toby Keith album. That'll make everything better.


your smug attitude turns off more voters than it gains, and actually does your cult leader a disservice. keep up the good fight, traitor - until it's no fun anymore.

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:14:58 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Threadjack completed!

What I've noticed is that "conservatives" talk about Obama about 9X as much as they talk about McCain.

/OMG, teh conservatives are biased in favor of teh Obama!!!!!!

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2008-07-27 05:15:10 PM  
captain_napalm: it's your miserable ilk that render us damn near unable to fight wars anymore.

'miserable ilk'?

Wait - are you saying that Iraq is a success?

 
captain_napalm 2008-07-27 05:15:51 PM  
what_now: captain_napalm: /he's getting 41% in november

Then why are you so worried?


I'm not. I'm worried about, say, 2016, when old folks' entitlement and your insecure pseudointellectualism has infected JUST enough of the populace to elect a manchurian shiathead like obama.

 
Displayed 50 of 114 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all


[Continue Farking]