just to be clear here, folks: this is your modern republican: tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, tax hikes for regular folks. still want to "have a beer" with him?

Keeping taxes low encourages economic growth. How many employees do the poor have? (not counting Social workers ). Only government workers don't work for the wealthy, and this is not always true either. Payroll taxes are Social Security taxes. Do you think millionaires count on Social Security? If retirees want more out of the system then more must be put into the system. And, the system must not be robbed to fund other programs. Payroll taxes need to be increased for EVERYONE at every income level,

Billionaires work too you know.

The word "maverick" has a kind of heroic connotation because of the old James Garner tv series, but in fact a maverick is basically a cow who doesn't give a fark about the rest of the cows, and is looking out only for numero uno. And this was, in fact, the premise of that tv series, as well.

McCain may well be a maverick, but that is not something to brag about.

bearsfolks: Keeping taxes low encourages economic growth. How many employees do the poor have? (not counting Social workers ). Only government workers don't work for the wealthy, and this is not always true either. Payroll taxes are Social Security taxes. Do you think millionaires count on Social Security? If retirees want more out of the system then more must be put into the system. And, the system must not be robbed to fund other programs. Payroll taxes need to be increased for EVERYONE at every income level,

bullshiat. trickle down or "trickle on?" raising taxes on the poor and middle class will strangle the economy. it's incredibly short sighted.

we need to cut spending (iraq, anyone?) and revoke the bush tax cuts for the wealthy while lowering taxes on the middle class. that will actually stimulate consumer spending - the engine that drives the economy.

I am so in favor of this type of plan, the best part is that when it doesn't work and I realize that my own taxes are the ones always rising I can just stamp my feet and blame the libs.

It's awesome being a smart conservative.

FlashHarry: we need to cut spending (iraq, anyone?) and revoke the bush tax cuts for the wealthy while lowering taxes on the middle class. that will actually stimulate consumer spending - the engine that drives the economy.


That's what your stimulus check was for, ya' turkey!

Why get stitches when you can just use a Band-Aid?

Hibno: FlashHarry: we need to cut spending (iraq, anyone?) and revoke the bush tax cuts for the wealthy while lowering taxes on the middle class. that will actually stimulate consumer spending - the engine that drives the economy.


That's what your stimulus check was for, ya' turkey!

Why get stitches when you can just use a Band-Aid?

lol. silly me, i actually used it to pay down some debt.

FlashHarry: Hibno: FlashHarry: we need to cut spending (iraq, anyone?) and revoke the bush tax cuts for the wealthy while lowering taxes on the middle class. that will actually stimulate consumer spending - the engine that drives the economy.


That's what your stimulus check was for, ya' turkey!

Why get stitches when you can just use a Band-Aid?

lol. silly me, i actually used it to pay down some debt.



I knew somebody wasn't stimulating. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us.

Obama has also floated a Social Security payroll tax hike as well. I'm sure it's a better idea when he pitches it.

Nabb1: Obama has also floated a Social Security payroll tax hike as well. I'm sure it's a better idea when he pitches it.

citation, please.

if obama floated this, it would be just as wrong. although, to be fair, he at least wants to rescind the tax cuts on the wealthy and lower income taxes on the middle class.

Just another good reason to vote against Obama for the sake of America. We all win with McCain, so do your patriotic duty this year and help make it happen.

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Obama has also floated a Social Security payroll tax hike as well. I'm sure it's a better idea when he pitches it.

citation, please.

if obama floated this, it would be just as wrong. although, to be fair, he at least wants to rescind the tax cuts on the wealthy and lower income taxes on the middle class.

He said it last year and last month.

This article on McCain says nothing about upon whom the payroll tax would be raised, does it? So, I fail to see how this open-ended statement is any different than Obama's plans.

I swear, McCain is TRYING to lose this race. Sometimes I can almost hear him say 'fark it - why bother?' and just say stupid shiat that he knows will cost him votes.

FTFA: However, in a February interview with Stephanopoulos, which also aired on "This Week," McCain made a pledge not to raise taxes as president. When Stephanopoulos asked, "Are you a 'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" McCain responded affirmatively: "No new taxes."

To be fair, it's not a new tax; it's just raising the rates on existing ones.

IrateShadow: To be fair, it's not a new tax; it's just raising the rates on existing ones.

But if social security isn't in danger, why raise taxes...?

FlashHarry: just to be clear here, folks: this is your modern republican: tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, tax hikes for regular folks. still want to "have a beer" with him?

That's all that mattered when I voted for him.

Nabb1: FlashHarry: Nabb1: Obama has also floated a Social Security payroll tax hike as well. I'm sure it's a better idea when he pitches it.

citation, please.

if obama floated this, it would be just as wrong. although, to be fair, he at least wants to rescind the tax cuts on the wealthy and lower income taxes on the middle class.

He said it last year and last month.

This article on McCain says nothing about upon whom the payroll tax would be raised, does it? So, I fail to see how this open-ended statement is any different than Obama's plans.

interesting. that actually might make sense. if mccain is saying he'd only raise the limit past $97k, i'd be okay with that. somehow, i doubt it though.

Given that 70% of the "evil 1%" of top income earners are small business owners who have created 80% of new jobs in the past couple of years, I would think these tax cuts would work. Raising taxes on the poor? From what? Zero? 99.8% of all income taxes were paid by the evil top 50% of income earners. Fair system, half of the country paying for everyone.

FlashHarry: interesting. that actually might make sense. if mccain is saying he'd only raise the limit past $97k, i'd be okay with that. somehow, i doubt it though.

Well I'd certainly like to know the details, because that would hit me in the wallet. Whether or not I would be upset about it would depend on whether or not there were other tax increases and whether or not any spending cuts were planned in other areas.

FlashHarry: just to be clear here, folks: this is your modern republican: tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, tax hikes for regular folks. still want to "have a beer" with him?

Yes, it's clearly a partisan issue.

What we have at this point is a spending problem. I can't believe a politician can get away with even talking about a tax hike.

Seriously, Happy Hour is right. Why can't we get the poor to pay just as much in taxes as the rich and make it fair for all of us ?

Nabb1: FlashHarry: interesting. that actually might make sense. if mccain is saying he'd only raise the limit past $97k, i'd be okay with that. somehow, i doubt it though.

Well I'd certainly like to know the details, because that would hit me in the wallet. Whether or not I would be upset about it would depend on whether or not there were other tax increases and whether or not any spending cuts were planned in other areas.

Nabb1: FlashHarry: interesting. that actually might make sense. if mccain is saying he'd only raise the limit past $97k, i'd be okay with that. somehow, i doubt it though.

Well I'd certainly like to know the details, because that would hit me in the wallet. Whether or not I would be upset about it would depend on whether or not there were other tax increases and whether or not any spending cuts were planned in other areas.

me, too. and a level-headed response.

based on past history though - and the GOP's adherence to "trickle-down" economics, i'd be very surprised if mccain were actually considering hiking the SS tax on individuals making over $97k.

and we all know that the republicans will slash spending to the bone unlike the tax and spend democrats. We are so due for the good times to keep coming just like they have for the last 8 years.

Mordant: and we all know that the republicans will slash spending to the bone unlike the tax and spend democrats. We are so due for the good times to keep coming just like they have for the last 8 years.

*snort* stop! yer killin' me!

What's so funny ? Do you think these fine people would have the gall to come in here and sell us on the sound fiscal planning of the glorious team if they didn't have years of recent success to wave in our faces as proof ?

Granted, we're also going to have to give McCain the tools he needs to get things back on track. That means also putting a solid Republican majority back in Congress so they can prevent democratic obstructionism.

Trust me, we're all going to be rich beyond our wildest dreams very soon. I for one will be opening at least 2 more small businesses in the next year that will employ dozens.

this just out from the McCain campaign: John McCain does not speak for the McCain campaign. ^{(^)}

Weaver95: I swear, McCain is TRYING to lose this race. Sometimes I can almost hear him say 'fark it - why bother?' and just say stupid shiat that he knows will cost him votes.

Republican and Democratic parties are two sides of the same coin. They fight in public, but at the end of the day they are only fighting over how much of our money to steal and where to spend it.

That we have a representative republic or democracy just because we get to choose one over the other every cycle is a mass delusion that is starting to develop holes because the politicians themselves just don't give much of a f*ck anymore about keeping up appearances beyond whatever lies they can conjure up in the moment. Why else would they openly and blatantly pass legislation that is in every way and spirit unconstitutional? They don't give a f*ck, because most of their constituency doesn't either beyond how much free shiat their district will get this time around.

The sooner we all admit this, the sooner we can address the real problems in this country.

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Weaver95: I swear, McCain is TRYING to lose this race. Sometimes I can almost hear him say 'fark it - why bother?' and just say stupid shiat that he knows will cost him votes.

Republican and Democratic parties are two sides of the same coin. They fight in public, but at the end of the day they are only fighting over how much of our money to steal and where to spend it.

That we have a representative republic or democracy just because we get to choose one over the other every cycle is a mass delusion that is starting to develop holes because the politicians themselves just don't give much of a fark anymore about keeping up appearances beyond whatever lies they can conjure up in the moment. Why else would they openly and blatantly pass legislation that is in every way and spirit unconstitutional? They don't give a fark, because most of their constituency doesn't either beyond how much free shiat their district will get this time around.

The sooner we all admit this, the sooner we can address the real problems in this country.

Weaver95: But if social security isn't in danger, why raise taxes...?

Well, if we raise the taxes, then we can give everyone a personal account. It has to be done because the American public is clearly not capable of saving on their own.

What needs to be done is the government needs to cut spending. Real cuts, not this, "we made spending increase less" BS.

"He has certainly I'm sure said things in town halls that don't jibe perfectly with his written plan. But that doesn't mean it's official." -McCain campaign advisor

I mean, McCain isn't under oath, he can say whatever pops into that shell shocked melon of his...it doesn't have to be true...

And yet he's considered the sane one. It's almost hilarious.

Any tax hike on anyone should be met with the populace storming the White House with pitchforks. No more of our money until they can prove that their reckless spending habits are least on par with Michael Jackson and MC Hammer, rather than making those two look like Ebeneezer Scrooge.


We give them our tax dollars because they say they will go towards infrastructure, or schools, or health care, or R&D, or any of a number of worthwhile causes. We need to take back our tax dollars because they invariably end up going directly into the coffers of those that need them the least.

FlashHarry: just to be clear here, folks: this is your modern republican: tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, tax hikes for regular folks. still want to "have a beer" with him?

Sure I want to have a beer with him. A good American beer!

Like a Budwei... oh, wait...

Obama is holding an economic meeting with Rubin,Volker and Buffet tomorrow. ^{(^)}

McCain is still waging war with the applesauce on aisle 7 cursing at the media under his breath. Sorry John you're the one who drew all the attention to his Iraq trip in the first place. It was funny back then wasn't it? With your RNC clock and the Fox guys all echoing the taunt. Then he goes and grabs the limelight and you act all whiny about it.

No wonder the Gallup spread is it's biggest. Keep on acting like we don't see you for what you are. Someone with no ideas. No inspiration. Only bitter angry old man who is clinging to failed policies. The extortion we're paying in Iraq and the ceasefire with Sadr is all tenuous. the surge is only as good as your blackmail money. when it stops the peace stops.

This is a good idea, if you don't raise taxes on working class people, they'll have no incentive to become billionaires.

McCain's tax plan reduces the highest income brackets taxes significantly, and lowers the middle and lower class brackets moderately. He also proposes closing corporate loopholes tax incentives for businesses.

Obama's plan reduces the highest income bracket taxes minially, and lowers the middle and lower class brackets significantly. He also supports tax credits.

Let's not forget Shaggy_C's contribution to this argument.



Boo hoo! People are picking on the billionaires! If they do away with the maximum 15% tax-rate on share dividends, Paris Hilton won't be able to afford a new Bentley if she finds her current one parked facing the wrong way tomorrow morning, or if it starts to run out of gas.



Democrats. Better for the economy. That's not an opinion: it's based on the hard numbers. Don't like it? Don't whine to me, whine to reality. Reality made it that way.

Why is everyone arguing what percentage of taxes we are going to end up in a republican administration? Hasn't the last seven years given you a clue?

NeverDrunk23: FlashHarry: just to be clear here, folks: this is your modern republican: tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, tax hikes for regular folks. still want to "have a beer" with him?

That's all that mattered when I voted for himagainst the evil librul.

FTFY.

SeismicJizzer: Why is everyone arguing what percentage of taxes we are going to end up in a republican administration? Hasn't the last seven years given you a clue?

This!

Yeah folks, you had conservative rule. This is conservative rule. This is what your policies create.

Capt. Happy Hour: Given that 70% of the "evil 1%" of top income earners are small business owners who have created 80% of new jobs in the past couple of years,

Lie.

Mordant: I am so in favor of this type of plan, the best part is that when it doesn't work and I realize that my own taxes are the ones always rising I can just stamp my feet and blame the libs.

It's awesome being a smart conservative.

You just summed up Republican voters.

bearsfolks

Your homespun common sense(read: republican engineered meme) makes you look like the biggest dupe on the planet. Stop being such a goddamn simpleton and actually get your hands dirty understanding how a modern economy functions.

Somewhat reasonable question, even if I disagree with the conclusion: "How many people do the poor employ?"

A better question for the whole economic issue: "How much stupid plastic crap and mass produced consumer products do the rich buy, compared to the poor?" THAT is the big factor that pushes the economy. Demand-side.

Jeremy Bates: SeismicJizzer: Why is everyone arguing what percentage of taxes we are going to end up in a republican administration? Hasn't the last seven years given you a clue?

Because these morons are actually considering voting Republican.



This.

I have no hope left for America. You have seen exactly what Republicans do to the country in the last 7 years. How you can then vote for them AGAIN is simply beyond me.

Top 5% of wage earners paid 53.25% of all income taxes
top 10% paid 64.89%

On both accounts that number is far higher than when Bush took office. The recent tax CUTS increased tax revenues and increased the overall burden on the rich. Stop spreading lies you ignorant liberals.

As soon as the minority of Americans pay all the income taxes, it's all over folks. That's what the democrats want and they are close. The top 50% of earners pay 96.03% of all income taxes. As soon as taxpayers are in the minority, the majority can just vote themselves raises every time they go to the polls, and the producers will flee the country and take their earning power and innovation with them.

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Hey give McCain a break, when you own 8 or 9 (he isn't even sure) houses you gotta have all the cash you can. Plus you know that private plane isn't exactly paid for with the change in his cushions. Quit your whining. And since it took 12 years for the Reagan/Bush economic policies to kick in, we'll all be doing great before long. Albeit after Clinton reversed them but let's not get nit-picky.

Anyone who utters the phrase "working families" should automatically be denied the right to vote or hold office on any level.

Same goes for "tax the rich."