I'm sure all five of the drivers of biodiesel cars will be devastated.

How is this ironic? It would be ironic if banning trans fats increased obesity, because that's the opposite of the intended result. It's not ironic if an anti-obesity measure has the unintended consequence of being bad for the environment. There's no expectation that's been thwarted.

And how did it become "tans fats" in the "Bad"? Bad show, subby. -1.

Uh. Can't we just use other oils for frying, and for bio-diesel? Have we now run out of peanut oil?

FAIL, subby. FAIL.

Use all the trans fats you want for non-dietary purposes. There's no petard there from which to be hoisted. Besides, that was more of a "since they insist upon killing themselves slowly, we might as well recycle that crap and do something productive with it" rather than a serious fuel source.

That's not ironic. It would only be ironic if a truck carrying trans fats crashed into an orphanage and killed everyone inside.

Actually that wouldn't be ironic either, just very funny.

Subby FAILS again...

The government shouldn't be in my kitchen any more than in my bedroom.

Single White Male: That's not ironic. It would only be ironic if a truck carrying trans fats crashed into an orphanage and killed everyone inside.


That would only be ironic if the orphans were fat.

E Arkhe Quote 2008-07-26 09:56:06 PM
The government shouldn't be in my kitchen any more than in my bedroom.


banning something in public places != banning them in private places.

Trans-fats are not banned in your kitchen.

If I owned a restaurant, I'd immediately start cooking with good old natural lard. Great taste, and I'm pretty sure trans-fat free, if I remember the arguments from when nurse bloomberg did the same thing in NYC.

Bacon.

BLR: Uh. Can't we just use other oils for frying, and for bio-diesel? Have we now run out of peanut oil?

FAIL, subby. FAIL.

biodiesel homebrew guys usually get leftover oil for free, or on the cheap, as resteraunts usually have to pay for a disposal service to take it away.

It should be "...that thing you were just hoisted with," not "on".

Sorry.

/chocolate bacon FTW!

the only petard here seems to be the submitter.

/heh

No more trans fats at New York City restaurants. Will biodiesel be affected?

I had no idea that rat feces was an essential ingredient of bio-desel

robisfunky: /chocolate bacon FTW!

That picture made my heart hurt.

I read that as "Petarded" I guess
/ I must be a petard

Heheh, that's Political Correctness for you. You try to make things better on one side but you definitely fark things up on the other.

Bill Frist: E Arkhe Quote 2008-07-26 09:56:06 PM
The government shouldn't be in my kitchen any more than in my bedroom.


banning something in public places != banning them in private places.

Trans-fats are not banned in your kitchen.

What I meant was that the government shouldn't regular what I eat any more than who I'm sleeping with, but I got a little dramatic with the rhetoric for fun.

shiat, now we've got tans fats to worry about too!

Trans fats work out for bio diesel but suck balls for burning as-is in diesel motors. The non trans fat vegetable oils work great though. The more you know.

tortilla burger: shiat, now we've got tans fats to worry about too!

Don't worry, it will die of skin cancer soon.

robisfunky: /chocolate bacon FTW!

You know, I like chocolate and I like bacon, but for some reason just looking at that gives me heartburn.

Even oil that starts out as a good oil....cis- ; can turn into a trans- fatty acid at high temps.



The oil has to be changed constantly to stay safe. And then maybe.

I think life was better when all we had to worry about was the Soviets nuking us.

/tastes like chicken
/do transfats create gut petards?
//or do they just dress differently?

First cigarettes were banned now trans fats. What's next?

Crosshair: I think life was better when all we had to worry about was the Soviets nuking us.

You neednt worry about anything. Thats the cool part that nobody mentions.

E Arkhe Quote 2008-07-26 10:03:04 PM
Bill Frist: E Arkhe Quote 2008-07-26 09:56:06 PM
The government shouldn't be in my kitchen any more than in my bedroom.


banning something in public places != banning them in private places.

Trans-fats are not banned in your kitchen.

What I meant was that the government shouldn't regular what I eat any more than who I'm sleeping with, but I got a little dramatic with the rhetoric for fun.


Again, there is a huge difference between regulating buisnesses open to the public and regulated private homes.

A more honest comparison would be asking whether the government should be allowed to ban brothels or regulate strip clubs. Surely one can argue that they shouldnt' be allowed to do that either, but that is more analgous to regulating restaurant habits than talk of who you can sleep with.

RTX: It should be "...that thing you were just hoisted with," not "on".

Sorry.



Bork, you're a federal agent! You represent the United States Government! Never end a sentence with a preposition.

/Petard: that thing with which you were just hoisted

subby took some liberties to administer the hoisted by your own petard line, but I like the effort


+1

A "petard" was a bomb. So is the Subtard's attempt at humour.

Hydrogenated oil has a higher smoke point, so it lasts longer, and is cheaper, too. Now there's a canola oil that lasts almost as long, according to the story. It sounds like the biodiesel guys will be getting about the same amount of oil either way.

Actually your car doesn't want trans fat either....


My buddy who runs his car on pure vegetable oil, not bio-diesel; stopped putting trans fat oils in his car cause it runs better and burns cleaner with the non-hydrogenated oils.

Petard.

It works.

Trans fat is the common name for a type of unsaturated fat with trans- isomer fatty acid(s). Trans fats may be monounsaturated or polyunsaturated.

Most trans fats consumed today are created industrially in partial hydrogenation of plant oils - a process developed in the early 1900s and first commercialized as Crisco in 1911. The goal of partial hydrogenation is to add hydrogen atoms to cis-unsaturated fats, making them more saturated. These saturated fats have a higher melting point, which makes them attractive for baking and extends their shelf-life. However, the catalyst also catalyses a side reaction that isomerizes some of the cis-unsaturated fats into trans-unsaturated fats instead of hydrogenating them completely. Another particular class of trans fats, vaccenic acid, occurs naturally in trace amounts in meat and dairy products from ruminants.

Unlike other dietary fats, trans fats are neither essential nor salubrious[1] and, in fact, the consumption of trans fats increases one's risk of coronary heart disease[2] by raising levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol and lowering levels of "good" HDL cholesterol. [3] Health authorities worldwide recommend that consumption of trans fat be reduced to trace amounts. Trans fats from partially hydrogenated oils are more deleterious than naturally occurring oils.[4]

Chemically, trans fats are made of the same building blocks as non-trans fats, but have a different arrangement. In trans fatty acid molecules, the hydrogen atoms are bonded to pairs of doubly bonded carbon atoms (characteristic of all unsaturated fats) are in the trans rather than the cis arrangement. This results in a straight, rather than kinked, shape for the carbon chain, more like the straight chain of a fully saturated fat.



What the hell that got to do with burning it in a car?

Bill Frist: Subby FAILS again...


Thats all you need to try and remember to get a green light.

Think about it..

Not even close, subby.

E Arkhe: The government shouldn't be in my kitchen any more than in my bedroom.

A chain restaurant is not your kitchen. I never use Crisco at home. I prefer it not hidden in my food. I would rather have lard. Pork fat rules!

TFA: No more trans fats at New York City restaurants. Will biodiesel be affected?

Posted Dec 6th 2006 at 2:59PM

And it's not even about California's ban. Damn you, GoogleOldNewsmitty!

Bill Frist:
Again, there is a huge difference between regulating buisnesses open to the public and regulated private homes.

A more honest comparison would be asking whether the government should be allowed to ban brothels or regulate strip clubs. Surely one can argue that they shouldnt' be allowed to do that either, but that is more analgous to regulating restaurant habits than talk of who you can sleep with.

I agree, it was a bad example :) I'd actually rather compare the ban on trans fats to the smoking ban in restaurants, except that there is some evidence that smoking harms bystanders, while I've never heard of second-hand heart attacks.

Basically unless it's an immediate threat to me or is an unexpected ingredient in the food (such as poison) I don't see why a ban is at all necessary.

(Not that I would eat that stuff.. I hate fried food)

DarnoKonrad: What the hell that got to do with burning it in a car?

FTA:

For us, the important thing to take away from the article is that this healthier, trans fat free oil has a longer frying life (see chart after the jump) and therefore will not be replaced as often. As Katie Hagen writes, the oil's extended fry life is more than twice that of traditional canola oil. This means that restaurants managers who decide to switch will be able to offer less waste oil for homebrewers.

Basically, it's unexpectedly saving restaurant owners a whole helluva lot of money to switch to non trans-fats and they're now going to have less waste to give to biodiesel homebrewers.

Anyone got the pic of that teensy tiny violin?

Probably should be "hoised."
Also probably should be "hoised by" or hoised with."

Posted Dec 6th 2006 at 2:59PM

And Subby's knowledge is even more out of date.

robbiedo: I never use Crisco at home.

You can feel free to use all the Crisco you want now. Crisco has been reformulated to be trans-fat free.

RTX: It should be "...that thing you were just hoisted with," not "on".

Sorry.

Hoist is already the past participle of "hoise", meaning lift, so there's no "hoisted". Also, a petard was a bomb, not a body part, so it would be "hoist by".

/grammar nazi

Why were the restaurants using frying oil with trans fats anyway when the alternative lasts longer before needing disposal, and would therefore seem to be less expensive? Is there a missing term in this economic equation?

It's just hoist, not hoisted.

fullyfarked: Why were the restaurants using frying oil with trans fats anyway when the alternative lasts longer before needing disposal, and would therefore seem to be less expensive? Is there a missing term in this economic equation?

It probably doesn't taste as good.