braaaains pancaaakes

Ironically, that's the John McCain would want to vote for.

NeverDrunk23: Ironically, that's the John McCain would want to vote for.

You sure about that screenname?

I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

Yeah, I don't ever want to hear another Fox defender claiming that they are fair and balanced and that it only seems like they're blatantly partisan because the rest of the media is so far to the left. Complete crap. This is just outright manipulation of the news. Look, If you want to claim that some reporters or media outlets have some liberal bias, I'd say it's to be expected that some people's own political views could come out in their reporting. But to come up with something this sneaky and calculated means that the Fox News executives must be sitting around planning this kind of crap. It's shameful.

jerry2a: But to come up with something this sneaky and calculated means that the Fox News executives must be sitting around planning this kind of crap. It's shameful.

And the funniest part of it is, they're totally incompetent at doing it.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

Keating Five.

/what do I win?

What is the "pancakes" thing all about anyway? I'm not really up on all the hip new political insults.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

The problem with that is that you could attack pretty much any politician, left or right, for that. They've all had their turns and nothing's come of it.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

or you could save time and effort and just attack the left, it's not like anyone is counting on you to square away the problems that need to be cleaned up in the Republican party anyway. Play to your strengths and don't waste the effort trying to do something you can't handle anyway.

Coronach: NeverDrunk23: Ironically, that's the John McCain would want to vote for.

You sure about that screenname?

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother to type on a computer. I even previewed that damn post before officially clicking it.

Ahem:

'Ironically, that's the John McCain people would want to vote for.'

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother to type on a computer.

It's one of the few places you can type. ?

If they're this desperate this early - McCain must really be feeling the heat.

Gecko Gingrich: What is the "pancakes" thing all about anyway?

Pancakes!

My shaman told me McCain will win all 50 states.

Gecko Gingrich: What is the "pancakes" thing all about anyway? I'm not really up on all the hip new political insults.

it is from The Onion
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NeverDrunk23: Ironically, that's the John McCain would want to vote for.

yeah, i would have voted for him over gore as well. nowadays, no way.

Kublai Khan: My shaman told me McCain will win all 50 states.

Not unless a miracle of biblical proportions occurs. Obama will have to work his ass off, but assuming disaster does not strike, he should manage to beat McCain handily.

I usually don't click on Daily Kos links, but that was quite amusing.

Go Fox!

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left...

Sorry, I doubt that is a true statement of your wishes.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

The pancakes thing is just a joke being run into the ground (most likely its a counter to the jokes of Obama that people run into the ground).

The age complaint, however, is a legitimate one. He is vying for an unbelievably high pressured job, a job that makes 40 year olds at the start of it look like 80 year olds at the end of it. Look at Bush: He looks like he aged 50 years the past 8 years.

You need someone in that position to be sharp, coherent and able to make well-thought judgment calls. Those abilities wane the older you get. There's no two ways about it: age affects your judgment and your ability to make hard decisions. McCain already looks like he did 8 years in office.

The age and health of a candidate is a very important factor for the job, whereas the color of their skin does not (people are trying to make the comparison between McCain's age and Obama's skin. Apples to mailboxes really.) They are going for a VERY stressful job, and that will have adverse affects on their health. So, if someone can not take that stress, is it fair to them to have them run for office?

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.


Why bother? LOOK AT HIM.

You don't attack guys like McCain. You help them cross the street. You run if you see them behind the wheel of a moving vehicle.

What, do you puff your chest after arm-wrestling your grandma?

The GOP picked a total loser this time and laughed-off the only real Republican that was running, so prepare to take your lumps with the rest of America.

You mean they aren't fair and balanced??

ExJerseyGirl: it is from The Onion
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GOL

NeverDrunk23: GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

The pancakes thing is just a joke being run into the ground (most likely its a counter to the jokes of Obama that people run into the ground).

The age complaint, however, is a legitimate one. He is vying for an unbelievably high pressured job, a job that makes 40 year olds at the start of it look like 80 year olds at the end of it. Look at Bush: He looks like he aged 50 years the past 8 years.

You need someone in that position to be sharp, coherent and able to make well-thought judgment calls. Those abilities wane the older you get. There's no two ways about it: age affects your judgment and your ability to make hard decisions. McCain already looks like he did 8 years in office.

The age and health of a candidate is a very important factor for the job, whereas the color of their skin does not (people are trying to make the comparison between McCain's age and Obama's skin. Apples to mailboxes really.) They are going for a VERY stressful job, and that will have adverse affects on their health. So, if someone can not take that stress, is it fair to them to have them run for office?

Take your well-reasoned argument rooted in scientific fact and begone. There is no place for that here...

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

you could always comment on McCain's history of cozy relationships with powerful lobbying groups, his incompetence regarding the whole Keating Five incident or his pro-Big Brother stance on the Patriot Act.

Look, it's not gonna come down to any of that. This election, people are looking at McCain and they're seeing GWB redux. They're seeing the same tired old policies that we've seen for the past 16 years. And none of those polices are working. Voting for McCain is voting for a continuation of deficit spending, violence in Iraq and an endorsement of some pretty bad 'war on terror' tactics. THAT is why McCain is going to lose. It's not that Obama is all that great or he's got a plan personally endorsed by God Himself, it's that McCain is just so pathetic.

NeverDrunk23: You need someone in that position to be sharp, coherent and able to make well-thought judgment calls. Those abilities wane the older you get. There's no two ways about it: age affects your judgment and your ability to make hard decisions.

As far as age goes, I'm inclined to think that experience and, hopefully, wisdom offset some of the limiting effects. What bothers me about McCain is the impression he has either lost or deliberately ignores his peripherial awareness. There's nothing wrong with being focused; but he looks as though he believes any distraction, even normal interaction in a crowd of people, would derail him. It's that tunnel-vision look that seniors get when they are desperately holding onto their ability to drive.

It's not a comforting thing to see in a possible President.

TheOther: There's nothing wrong with being focused; but he looks as though he believes any distraction, even normal interaction in a crowd of people, would derail him. It's that tunnel-vision look that seniors get when they are desperately holding onto their ability to drive.



To be fair, that has less to do with age or infirmity and more to do with the typical beltway insider contempt for the opinions of 'average americans'. McCain, like most senators and senior officals, doesn't want to bother explaining things to us dirty peasants. He'd rather we just shut up and do as we're told. The thought of having to deal with the chaos inherent to speaking to a room full of unvetted people and their various 'real world' opinions probably makes his stomach churn.

Gecko Gingrich: ExJerseyGirl: it is from The Onion
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GOL

Sure, thank the one with the boobies.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

I've seen you make some pretty daft statements, but that is pretty much as a statement as I have seen. Either that, or it's willful ignorance.

*as daft a statement as I have ever seen.

TheOther: NeverDrunk23: You need someone in that position to be sharp, coherent and able to make well-thought judgment calls. Those abilities wane the older you get. There's no two ways about it: age affects your judgment and your ability to make hard decisions.

As far as age goes, I'm inclined to think that experience and, hopefully, wisdom offset some of the limiting effects. What bothers me about McCain is the impression he has either lost or deliberately ignores his peripherial awareness. There's nothing wrong with being focused; but he looks as though he believes any distraction, even normal interaction in a crowd of people, would derail him. It's that tunnel-vision look that seniors get when they are desperately holding onto their ability to drive.

It's not a comforting thing to see in a possible President.

Granted, the counter to McCain's age argument would be that Obama does not have as much experience as someone at McCain's age has.

The experience argument isn't a very good one. The only people who have the right experience for being president of the US are only ex-Presidents or people going into their second term. Neither McCain nor Obama has that experience. So, to counter that, people will bring up that McCain has had more time in the Senate than Obama. But the position of President is very different than a seat in the Senate, so whose to say that the experience gained from that will fit perfectly into the presidential job and make someone the perfect president?

What is better: a person who had years and years of experience in the Senate under their belt where they will most likely be less inclined to change their ways on issues and subjects as their experience dictates otherwise

or

someone relatively new who has a better chance to evolve and alter their stances when new issues come up?

We don't need someone who 'stays the course' so adamantly on topics without looking at alternatives, and before the 2004 election, changing your mind wasn't seen as such a sin as it is nowadays concerning the topics. Is it bad if someone does a 180 on their stances? Yes. Is it bad that someway changes their mind when new data comes up? No. What will help the country is letting people change their ideas over time. Staying stubborn on something isn't helping.

Two Dogs Farking: Sure, thank the one with the boobies.

Sorry, didn't see yours. :(

Thanks!

NeverDrunk23: Granted, the counter to McCain's age argument would be that Obama does not have as much experience as someone at McCain's age has.

The experience argument isn't a very good one. The only people who have the right experience for being president of the US are only ex-Presidents or people going into their second term. Neither McCain nor Obama has that experience. So, to counter that, people will bring up that McCain has had more time in the Senate than Obama. But the position of President is very different than a seat in the Senate, so whose to say that the experience gained from that will fit perfectly into the presidential job and make someone the perfect president?

What is better: a person who had years and years of experience in the Senate under their belt where they will most likely be less inclined to change their ways on issues and subjects as their experience dictates otherwise

or

someone relatively new who has a better chance to evolve and alter their stances when new issues come up?

We don't need someone who 'stays the course' so adamantly on topics without looking at alternatives, and before the 2004 election, changing your mind wasn't seen as such a sin as it is nowadays concerning the topics. Is it bad if someone does a 180 on their stances? Yes. Is it bad that someway changes their mind when new data comes up? No. What will help the country is letting people change their ideas over time. Staying stubborn on something isn't helping.

I was speaking more generally about the offsets between age and experience, but I disagree that the only experience for a President that is helpful is being a President. Political or military or business experience probably at least helps in dealing with people from those areas. I'm not claiming experience alone is an adequate replacement for good judgment.

As for the superiority of the suppleness of a younger, unencumbered mind, experience of the political threads here seems to refute that.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

Some of us don't hate Hispanics and think his candidacy is a trainwreck of such epic proportions we don't have the time to unpack its terribleness in anything approaching detail.

I'm off to the Iraq/Pakistan border near Czechoslovakia to see about Iran's Sunni terrorists.

Jon Snow: Some of us don't hate Hispanics and think his candidacy is a trainwreck of such epic proportions we don't have the time to unpack its terribleness in anything approaching detail.

Only a slobbering partisan hack would think that illegal immigration was 'only about racism'. Don't be That Guy.

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes"

pancakes isn't a criticism, it's just a stupid joke.

Kublai Khan: sha

Does your shaman work for AOL?

Weaver95: Don't be That Guy.

Stereotype for stereotype.

The second piece with Stein & Beck (SteinBeck) was also galling. I guess it's only a "mussoulini-style" presidency when it's not your guy, huh?

And WTF is Glenn Beck anyway? Why does he have a show, when he's clearly dumber than the guy who cuts my grass...

Jon Snow: Weaver95: Don't be That Guy.

Stereotype for stereotype.

It's not my fault you keep regurgitating standard left wing tripe in every thread. But hey, you keep saying that illegal immigration reformers are all racist. I'm sure that will garner you oodles of support from middle america.

good luck with that.

Weaver95: It's not my fault you keep regurgitating standard left wing tripe in every thread.

I'm defending the Republican nominee's stance on immigration. Who knew that was left wing tripe?

But hey, you keep saying that illegal immigration reformers are all racist.

I was making a blatant exaggeration to match the one I was responding to. The stick, take it out of your ass.

I'm sure that will garner you oodles of support from middle america.

good luck with that.

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm running for office.

My goodness! He looks so young and vigorous! I'm changing my vote!

GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

For all his "foreign policy experience" he seems awfully confused about the geography, population and religion of many key regions of the globe.

He claims to not know whether condoms help prevent STDs.

He sends his surrogates out to make claims about a McCain presidency that are polar opposites of his actual stances.

He's a bully and a loudmouth who physically threatens his colleagues. If one of his colleagues ever took the bait and took a swing at him, he'd also be the first to remind us that he's old and crippled.

He's a superstitious cretin who believes in lucky pennies.

He spoke out strongly against "agents of intolerance" such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell until he realized that he needed the religious right to stay competitive. Now he cozies up to people like Rod Parsley and John Hagee.

He thinks that intelligent design should be taught along side actual science.

The fact is however, none of these things are as fun as saying "John McCain had a way with the ladies in the Navy. Rumor is, his first sexual conquest was Cleopatra."

He was the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, and wouldn't have gotten a commission if it weren't for his admiral daddy. If he hadn't of dumped his first wife, who was faithful to him during his POW capture, he would never have had a senate career.

McCain is a farking silver spoon baby who married money after dumping a faithful wife. He then went on to an illustrious career of helping banking fraud and insider money, all the while claiming to be a straight shooting maverick.

McCain is the biggest farking phony to run for office in a while, par for the course for a Republican, and absolutely will not change a damn thing that needs it.

If thats not reason enough, see all the other good reasons listed above not to vote for him.

CBS edits his interviews to make him look mentally competent.

NeverDrunk23: GaryPDX: I wish there was better criticism of McCain coming from the left other than "pancakes", "he's too old", "he's stupid"..etc etc. At least I can attack him on immigration, a worthwhile attack.

The pancakes thing is just a joke being run into the ground (most likely its a counter to the jokes of Obama that people run into the ground).

The age complaint, however, is a legitimate one. He is vying for an unbelievably high pressured job, a job that makes 40 year olds at the start of it look like 80 year olds at the end of it. Look at Bush: He looks like he aged 50 years the past 8 years.

You need someone in that position to be sharp, coherent and able to make well-thought judgment calls. Those abilities wane the older you get. There's no two ways about it: age affects your judgment and your ability to make hard decisions. McCain already looks like he did 8 years in office.

The age and health of a candidate is a very important factor for the job, whereas the color of their skin does not (people are trying to make the comparison between McCain's age and Obama's skin. Apples to mailboxes really.) They are going for a VERY stressful job, and that will have adverse affects on their health. So, if someone can not take that stress, is it fair to them to have them run for office?

I can agree with this, but I think the Senate is a fairly stressful job, as are the long primary and presidential campaigns. From what I have seen, and I'm pretty sure the MSM would pounce if they had any evidence of, any sign that McCain is in poor health currently. Of course, noone can say what lies down the road, but being old isn't a disqualifer for me.

Generation_D: He was the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, and wouldn't have gotten a commission if it weren't for his admiral daddy. If he hadn't of dumped his first wife, who was faithful to him during his POW capture, he would never have had a senate career.

McCain is a farking silver spoon baby who married money after dumping a faithful wife. He then went on to an illustrious career of helping banking fraud and insider money, all the while claiming to be a straight shooting maverick.

McCain is the biggest farking phony to run for office in a while, par for the course for a Republican, and absolutely will not change a damn thing that needs it.

If thats not reason enough, see all the other good reasons listed above not to vote for him.

But, McCain's not a socialistic Marxist Atheistic Born-Again Muslim who will somehow sink this country into the ocean in the first 20 minutes of his presidency like that other black guy is. I do not know HOW he'll do it, but I 100% without any doubt know that he WILL do it.